You Will Know Them By Their Fruits.

[Just_Jo]

Hi @jackrosie ,
A tree ( us) must have our root ( Jesus) grounded in the good soil ( the word of God) to be a fruit bearing tree.

When a tree starts from a seed it is just a sapling and doesn't have strength on its on. The root ( Jesus) of said tree gets the nourishment from the will of the Father ( God) and the word and grows deep in the soil so it may withstand things that come against it.

Grounded in the good soil a tree bears fruit after it's kind and us being followers of Jesus must bear the fruit that is of Him.

Jesus,how was His ministry? Full of great love, for greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for another.
Tenderness ,in that children even followed and listened to Him and He would pull them to Him saying,if we are not like these little children we cannot enter into heaven.

Kind and gentle, for when the woman with the issue thought if I can just touch the hem of His garment I will be healed. He neither scolded not rebuked her for her faith.

So to bear fruit we must bear the attributes of Christ Jesus,doing the will of the Father and the word which He quoted often.People must be able to look at us and recognize Him.

We do not have to worry about the Fruit of the Spirit for He will take care of that on His own as we yield and grow deeper in God. That is His own bearing in us as we become more like Jesus and holy unto God.

The optimal fruit of a Christian is another Christian.
Do others see Christ in us enough that they want to become like Him as well.

 

[EleventhHour]

but Dusk,
don't you SEE what a massive GROUP you BELONG too???

What I see are a limited few who defend the accuracy and the correct understanding of "fruits" "fruit of the spirit" and the biblical

"suffering" not Catholic false suffering who are being attacked.

 

[dcontroversal]

What I see are a limited few who defend the accuracy and the correct understanding of "fruits" "fruit of the spirit" and the biblical

"suffering" not Catholic false suffering who are being attacked.

Amen.......

 

[Blue_Of_Lake]

but Dusk,
don't you SEE what a massive GROUP you BELONG too???

but narrow is the Way ..... that leads to Life ..... a nd f e w .....

 

[Blue_Of_Lake]

What is that?
Sounds to me Paul was speaking about suffering and it's sanctifying value to him.

those Who live for Christ will Suffer for Him (for the Life of the Spirit).


Romans 8:13
12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.


IF .... You Will Live. If you Suffer (in the Spirit, by the Spirit) -- you Will Live (Spiritually).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Guys just leave laying dogs alone, I know it is tempting to respond to others about the past of this thread but it is not a thread of who did what or he said she said it is about the fruits of the spirit. We all make mistakes and all sometimes respond as we shouldn't but love forgives and moves on.

Sometimes we need others to point things out to us, it’s how we respond to brothers and sisters who in love are trying to help us that bears fruit of positivity or fruit of negativity.
would love to see the negativity be gone, CC used to be a place of great joy, it seems to have lost a lot of that joy. Granted, a lot Of false teachers have infiltrated out home but that should not take away from our joy,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Interesting, I think thru this, I understand better how cyber bullying work among youths of this Internet generation.

Even though you are not directly participating in the cyber bullying act itself, but every time you retweet, share, or like such attacks, you are indirectly encouraging the perpetrators.

If you noticed. My likes have become few lately. And I try only to like doctrinal posts. Not posts which have nothing to do with doctrinal views,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Truth is Truth regardless of anyone’s beliefs. This is not a popularity contest; I simply defend Truth regardless of how many nonsensical, passive-aggressive, cultist diatribes I encounter. You’re either with Truth or against Truth.

You can defend truth with truth, you do not need all the other fluff. The other calvinist spent days posting memes of anti arminian crap, that was not truth, that was a mocking, bullying, UnChristlike more of something a pharisee would do Type of conversation (which is why he went in ignore faster than anyone on CC) those types of posts STOP all forms of conversations and turns them into mud slinging contests. Which sadly a few threads have turned into. Mud slinging, where both parties are so out to put the other side to rest all sense of meaningful conversations ceases.
you can say the truth without all the extra words, if you just spoke truth. Maybe, others would listen also, I have not seen much fruit of the spirit in here from either side,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

but Dusk,
don't you SEE what a massive GROUP you BELONG too???

The other group used to be pretty big also. It was just made smaller by the mods.

 

[dcontroversal]

You can defend truth with truth, you do not need all the other fluff. The other calvinist spent days posting memes of anti arminian crap, that was not truth, that was a mocking, bullying, UnChristlike more of something a pharisee would do Type of conversation (which is why he went in ignore faster than anyone on CC) those types of posts STOP all forms of conversations and turns them into mud slinging contests. Which sadly a few threads have turned into. Mud slinging, where both parties are so out to put the other side to rest all sense of meaningful conversations ceases.
you can say the truth without all the extra words, if you just spoke truth. Maybe, others would listen also, I have not seen much fruit of the spirit in here from either side,

If you did not know Jesus, John or Elijah and did not know they had said the following, would you describe it as mud slinging?

You generation of snakes and or brood of vipers.

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men

Hypocrites

Maybe your god sleeps or is on a journey.

Ye blind guides

You are all unclean

Your father the devil

You are graves which appear not

Ye fools

In one chapter alone Jesus calls the scribes and Pharisees names some 16 times.....

Etc....

It is not unbiblical or false to use sarcasm, pointed names, heat to expose error, defend truth and or out false teachers....especailly when they peddle "ISMs" and or devalue Jesus, the truth, his power and or promises....

 

[Benadam]

and yet he prayed no less than 3 times for God to remove that from which he particularly suffered

maybe you missed that?

No. I didn't want to brag.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you did not know Jesus, John or Elijah and did not know they had said the following, would you describe it as mud slinging?

You generation of snakes and or brood of vipers.

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men

Hypocrites

Maybe your god sleeps or is on a journey.

Ye blind guides

You are all unclean

Your father the devil

You are graves which appear not

Ye fools

In one chapter alone Jesus calls the scribes and Pharisees names some 16 times.....

Etc....

It is not unbiblical or false to use sarcasm, pointed names, heat to expose error, defend truth and or out false teachers....especailly when they peddle "ISMs" and or devalue Jesus, the truth, his power and or promises....

I am glad you compare yourself with these great men

But I would ask you

did they continually day after day after day say those things?

Of course not. What was said. Wipe the dust off your feet?

Sorry bro. I love ya but what has being going on is sad

 

[EleventhHour]

What is that?
Sounds to me Paul was speaking about suffering and it's sanctifying value to him.

Do you know that the born again believer is positionally sanctified?

Do you know that we are partakers of His Divine nature, and His Divine nature is born in us?

Do you know that it God that cleanses us from all unrighteousness not the sacraments and suffering?

 

[EleventhHour]

If you did not know Jesus, John or Elijah and did not know they had said the following, would you describe it as mud slinging?

You generation of snakes and or brood of vipers.

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men

Hypocrites

Maybe your god sleeps or is on a journey.

Ye blind guides

You are all unclean

Your father the devil

You are graves which appear not

Ye fools

In one chapter alone Jesus calls the scribes and Pharisees names some 16 times.....

Etc....

It is not unbiblical or false to use sarcasm, pointed names, heat to expose error, defend truth and or out false teachers....especially when they peddle "ISMs" and or devalue Jesus, the truth, his power and or promises....

I read this post as you referring to Jesus and the other men as examples of how they dealt with false teachings and hypocrites and not a direct comparison to yourself or anyone else.

Those examples demonstrate the fierceness of the battle and the need to reveal to people that they are indeed in opposition to truth.

"Jesus wept" ...... this tells me He would have much preferred a different reality and yet it did not stop Him from calling out those who opposed Him ... just as we desire people come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Benadam]

Do you know that the born again believer is positionally sanctified?

I asked what that meant.

 

[Benadam]

Do you know that it God that cleanses us from all unrighteousness not the sacraments and suffering?

I know it's not either or. That's a bad mental habit. Missing out on the 'both and's'.
If the Truth belongs to us we love it wherever it's found.

 

[lenna]

No. I didn't want to brag.

when you, or anyone for that matter, creates a response that is dismissive in the manner it suggests that you saw or see more than others, that is bragging of what you consider superior knowledge

in fact, you are basically just snickering around here

I know it's not either or. That's a bad mental habit. Missing out on the 'both and's'.
If the Truth belongs to us we love it wherever it's found.

for example, your notation that the poster to whom you are responding has a 'bad mental habit' suggests your 'mental habits' are the ones to employ and you do not actually address the post in response to you, but use what I would call 'word decoys' while others might suggest you are creating little rabbit trails

kindly employ some of that superior brain of yours and show us which Bible verses or what passages illustrate your words

 

[EleventhHour]

I know it's not either or. That's a bad mental habit. Missing out on the 'both and's'.
If the Truth belongs to us we love it wherever it's found.

Jesus stated I am The Way, The Truth and the Life.

He never taught "sacraments" as a means of salvation.

Salvation is found totally and completely in Him.

 

[EleventhHour]

I asked what that meant.

And by that will ewe have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE for all.
Hebrews 10:10

And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Cor 6:11

All born again believers are sanctified positionally, we are seen as Holy (set apart) before God.

This is not affected by our strength or weakness as a believer, nor the amount of suffering endured, but solely due to the Righteousness of Jesus within us accepted by grace through faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I read this post as you referring to Jesus and the other men as examples of how they dealt with false teachings and hypocrites and not a direct comparison to yourself or anyone else.

Those examples demonstrate the fierceness of the battle and the need to reveal to people that they are indeed in opposition to truth.

"Jesus wept" ...... this tells me He would have much preferred a different reality and yet it did not stop Him from calling out those who opposed Him ... just as we desire people come to the knowledge of the truth.

They did not day after day attack the people they disagreed with

and in making that post, he was as much as putting himself on the same line as they were

I am losing respect for quite a few people I considered my friends,