Summary of Bible references on the Rapture
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Romans 8:1-30 -- A Christmas story
The Gift of Christ Jesus
1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
It is fascinating to me that there are two distinct variations here, those that live according to the flesh and those who live according to the Spirit. No where is that more evident than in the celebration of Christmas for Christians versus the celebration of Xmas for non Christians. We have seen the “battle to put Christ back into Christmas”. This festival reveals those who have the mind of the spirit versus those who have the mind of the flesh.
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
Once again, there are those whose mind is on the flesh. You have Christmas parties, gifts, and all kinds of ads to get you to buy stuff you don’t need. On the other hand you have beautiful Christmas plays and pageants, beautiful hymns of praise, candle light services and many other examples of those who are celebrating with the mind set on the Spirit. In this festival you are in the Spirit and Spirit is in you.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you. 12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
This holiday comes with an obligation. I have always been against the commercial aspects and worldly aspects of this holiday. Yet even so there is an obligation on you because your children will not understand and will think that being a Christian means you are stingy and cheap. So I have always given gifts to my children, I just don’t pretend that there is a “Santa”, I don’t watch the most egregious children’s Christmas shows with reindeer and Santa, and I try to purge the celebration from the demands of the flesh. I find it interesting that “Santa” is merely a rearrangement of the word “Satan”. The story is a lie and they try to force parents to lie to their children and then have children equate this lie with the Bible. If Santa flying around in a sleigh is a lie that was told to you by people you trusted, what about the rapture? It is an evil poison designed to inoculate young children from believing and receiving the gospel. However, according to the Spirit there is an obligation to treat others with love and charity during this time. We even call it “the Christmas spirit”.
The adoption to sonship = rapture of the overcomers
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God Are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Christmas is a holiday for children. My parents really went all out, I would be up at the crack of dawn and sure enough something had happened from the night before. New gifts were there and the stockings were filled. Those gifts testified that you were children of your parents and heirs. The rapture is a testimony that all who are raptured are children of God and co heirs with God. This term “adoption” refers to a legal declaration that you are heir to the father’s business. This is a big deal in families where a father has a great business. Some children of the father may find themselves disqualified from being heirs, that is sad, but it happens. At the rapture some will be left behind, they will get a second chance but it will still be sad. As it says in Amos if you are not raptured on that day it will be a bitter day for you. Your singing will turn to mourning.
The idea of Santa in the middle of the night coming down chimneys and giving gifts is the photographic negative of Jesus Christ rapturing all the overcomers who are likened to a treasure and the rapture to the Lord coming as a thief (by coming down the chimney?). In the world those the world despises will very often turn out to be the ones the Lord treasures. The “Cinderella” that does all the work so the evil sisters can go to all the balls. Imagine waking up on this Christmas day and instead of finding gifts under your tree you find all those who were doing all the work have been taken.
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
Christmas is all about wearing brand new Christmas clothes. There is a glorious celebration and children wait in eager expectation for this day. In the rapture we are “liberated from the bondage of decay”. He doesn’t just say “believers” but rather “creation”. What about our pets? If you were raptured what would happen to your dog or cat? Creation is waiting eagerly because they all will be liberated from decay.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
This is the hope of the gospel. The rapture is likened to the birth of the manchild. Once again Paul is talking about the hope that we wait for patiently, just like we had to wait each year for Christmas.
Pray for what we ought versus the “letter to Santa”.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
Another part of this religious festival is that kids are to write a letter to Santa praying for things they want. This can be fleshly or it can be spiritual with the Spirit interceding for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
These are the things we need. We need to be conformed to the image of His Son, we need to know the firstborn Son of God and we need to be born again to be the children of God. We need to be called, we need to be justified, and after all that we need to be glorified. Again, the rapture is the glorification of those who have been born again, called and justified.
The Gift of Christ Jesus
1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
It is fascinating to me that there are two distinct variations here, those that live according to the flesh and those who live according to the Spirit. No where is that more evident than in the celebration of Christmas for Christians versus the celebration of Xmas for non Christians. We have seen the “battle to put Christ back into Christmas”. This festival reveals those who have the mind of the spirit versus those who have the mind of the flesh.
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
Once again, there are those whose mind is on the flesh. You have Christmas parties, gifts, and all kinds of ads to get you to buy stuff you don’t need. On the other hand you have beautiful Christmas plays and pageants, beautiful hymns of praise, candle light services and many other examples of those who are celebrating with the mind set on the Spirit. In this festival you are in the Spirit and Spirit is in you.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you. 12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
This holiday comes with an obligation. I have always been against the commercial aspects and worldly aspects of this holiday. Yet even so there is an obligation on you because your children will not understand and will think that being a Christian means you are stingy and cheap. So I have always given gifts to my children, I just don’t pretend that there is a “Santa”, I don’t watch the most egregious children’s Christmas shows with reindeer and Santa, and I try to purge the celebration from the demands of the flesh. I find it interesting that “Santa” is merely a rearrangement of the word “Satan”. The story is a lie and they try to force parents to lie to their children and then have children equate this lie with the Bible. If Santa flying around in a sleigh is a lie that was told to you by people you trusted, what about the rapture? It is an evil poison designed to inoculate young children from believing and receiving the gospel. However, according to the Spirit there is an obligation to treat others with love and charity during this time. We even call it “the Christmas spirit”.
The adoption to sonship = rapture of the overcomers
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God Are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Christmas is a holiday for children. My parents really went all out, I would be up at the crack of dawn and sure enough something had happened from the night before. New gifts were there and the stockings were filled. Those gifts testified that you were children of your parents and heirs. The rapture is a testimony that all who are raptured are children of God and co heirs with God. This term “adoption” refers to a legal declaration that you are heir to the father’s business. This is a big deal in families where a father has a great business. Some children of the father may find themselves disqualified from being heirs, that is sad, but it happens. At the rapture some will be left behind, they will get a second chance but it will still be sad. As it says in Amos if you are not raptured on that day it will be a bitter day for you. Your singing will turn to mourning.
The idea of Santa in the middle of the night coming down chimneys and giving gifts is the photographic negative of Jesus Christ rapturing all the overcomers who are likened to a treasure and the rapture to the Lord coming as a thief (by coming down the chimney?). In the world those the world despises will very often turn out to be the ones the Lord treasures. The “Cinderella” that does all the work so the evil sisters can go to all the balls. Imagine waking up on this Christmas day and instead of finding gifts under your tree you find all those who were doing all the work have been taken.
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
Christmas is all about wearing brand new Christmas clothes. There is a glorious celebration and children wait in eager expectation for this day. In the rapture we are “liberated from the bondage of decay”. He doesn’t just say “believers” but rather “creation”. What about our pets? If you were raptured what would happen to your dog or cat? Creation is waiting eagerly because they all will be liberated from decay.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
This is the hope of the gospel. The rapture is likened to the birth of the manchild. Once again Paul is talking about the hope that we wait for patiently, just like we had to wait each year for Christmas.
Pray for what we ought versus the “letter to Santa”.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
Another part of this religious festival is that kids are to write a letter to Santa praying for things they want. This can be fleshly or it can be spiritual with the Spirit interceding for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
These are the things we need. We need to be conformed to the image of His Son, we need to know the firstborn Son of God and we need to be born again to be the children of God. We need to be called, we need to be justified, and after all that we need to be glorified. Again, the rapture is the glorification of those who have been born again, called and justified.
Romans 8:31-39 A festival of Gifts
31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
This is another aspect of this holiday. “Santa knows whose been naughty and nice”. There is a judgement on this holiday. There are those who get “coal in stocking” signifying the fires of hell. But for others God “gives them all things”. The best gift is Jesus but with Jesus we also get all things.
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
This is a holiday that is all about the love of God. But it is also about conquering through Him who loved us. Conquering what? A major story is “the Christmas Carol” that talks about scrooge getting a new heart. This was then turned into a cartoon with “How the Grinch stole Christmas” by Dr. Seuss. This is a holiday where we conquer selfishness and greed and it speaks to the New Covenant where God gives us a new heart, a heart of flesh.
31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
This is another aspect of this holiday. “Santa knows whose been naughty and nice”. There is a judgement on this holiday. There are those who get “coal in stocking” signifying the fires of hell. But for others God “gives them all things”. The best gift is Jesus but with Jesus we also get all things.
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
This is a holiday that is all about the love of God. But it is also about conquering through Him who loved us. Conquering what? A major story is “the Christmas Carol” that talks about scrooge getting a new heart. This was then turned into a cartoon with “How the Grinch stole Christmas” by Dr. Seuss. This is a holiday where we conquer selfishness and greed and it speaks to the New Covenant where God gives us a new heart, a heart of flesh.
Rapture takes place during your religious festivals
Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
This verse is a very powerful prophecy. So far we have seen that every festival from the Old Testament has been prophetic concerning the coming of Jesus Christ, His death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and outpouring of the Spirit on the church. We can also easily say that the feast of Atonement and the Feast of weeks will also be prophetic. Because of this I have been searching the scriptures to find a religious festival that would be prophetic for the rapture.
9 “In that day,” declares the Sovereign Lord, “I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight. 10 I will turn your religious festivals into mourning and all your singing into weeping. I will make all of you wear sackcloth and shave your heads. I will make that time like mourning for an only son and the end of it like a bitter day.
This verse supported the idea that the day of the Lord appears during “your religious festivals”. But it is plural, this is referring to more than one festival. Also these festivals involve singing. There were numerous other reasons why this pointed to Hanukkah, but Hanukkah and Christmas are two religious festivals that come at the same season. Also, although Hanukkah and many of the religious festivals are not particularly noted for singing, Christmas is with Christmas carols being a key tradition to celebrate this holiday. This caroling is done on Christmas eve, December 24th. Now what is quite interesting is that in 2023 the Lord's day is on December 24th. The Lord's table is a dress rehearsal, a holy convocation, for the rapture. In 2024 there is a total solar eclipse over the US (April 8th) that makes a cross with the total solar eclipse that was over the US in 2017. As a rule a solar eclipse refers to God's judgement on the world. It is close to a 7 year spread. I think the great sign in the heaven on festival of Trumpets 2017 was a sign that the ten years referred to as the ten days of awe was about to start and started in 2020 with the Pandemic. We also had a solar eclipse in the midst of the festival of Hanukkah, December 14th, 2020. These two solar eclipses that make an X over the US suggest the judgement on gentiles and Christians during the first seven years.
Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
If we are seeing the day approaching we should be assembling together. However, Joel says that the sign that the day is approaching is a pandemic that causes us not to gather together. There is really only one church meeting that is required for us to keep and that is the Lord’s table, this sabbath day for Christians is a celebration of the coronation of Jesus and also of the wedding of Jesus, both of which are part of the shadow of the rapture of the Bride. There are really only two big yearly festivals given to Christians to keep. The first is “Easter” which celebrates the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. That is where our year begins and that is a celebration of new life and new beginnings. This festival coincides with Passover. The second festival is Christmas which is at the end of the year and superficially is a celebration of Jesus birth even though we know that Jesus was not born on this day. Pagan holidays for the resurrection of the Sun were adopted for this celebration. Our year begins with the new birth at Easter and we all look forward to Christmas, the favorite day of the year.
Interestingly I saw that 2 Corinthians a book on the New Testament ministry is all about the festival of Hanukkah. Paul equated the story of Hanukkah with the New Testament ministry. The purpose of this ministry is that the Lord’s will would be done on earth as it is in heaven and that His kingdom would come. Each day of that festival there is more light. In Romans it seems the gospels are equated with the story of Christmas. Romans is the gospel according to Paul and chapter 8 is the “tip of the spear” when talking about the overcomers, those in the first rapture.
Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
This verse is a very powerful prophecy. So far we have seen that every festival from the Old Testament has been prophetic concerning the coming of Jesus Christ, His death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and outpouring of the Spirit on the church. We can also easily say that the feast of Atonement and the Feast of weeks will also be prophetic. Because of this I have been searching the scriptures to find a religious festival that would be prophetic for the rapture.
9 “In that day,” declares the Sovereign Lord, “I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight. 10 I will turn your religious festivals into mourning and all your singing into weeping. I will make all of you wear sackcloth and shave your heads. I will make that time like mourning for an only son and the end of it like a bitter day.
This verse supported the idea that the day of the Lord appears during “your religious festivals”. But it is plural, this is referring to more than one festival. Also these festivals involve singing. There were numerous other reasons why this pointed to Hanukkah, but Hanukkah and Christmas are two religious festivals that come at the same season. Also, although Hanukkah and many of the religious festivals are not particularly noted for singing, Christmas is with Christmas carols being a key tradition to celebrate this holiday. This caroling is done on Christmas eve, December 24th. Now what is quite interesting is that in 2023 the Lord's day is on December 24th. The Lord's table is a dress rehearsal, a holy convocation, for the rapture. In 2024 there is a total solar eclipse over the US (April 8th) that makes a cross with the total solar eclipse that was over the US in 2017. As a rule a solar eclipse refers to God's judgement on the world. It is close to a 7 year spread. I think the great sign in the heaven on festival of Trumpets 2017 was a sign that the ten years referred to as the ten days of awe was about to start and started in 2020 with the Pandemic. We also had a solar eclipse in the midst of the festival of Hanukkah, December 14th, 2020. These two solar eclipses that make an X over the US suggest the judgement on gentiles and Christians during the first seven years.
Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
If we are seeing the day approaching we should be assembling together. However, Joel says that the sign that the day is approaching is a pandemic that causes us not to gather together. There is really only one church meeting that is required for us to keep and that is the Lord’s table, this sabbath day for Christians is a celebration of the coronation of Jesus and also of the wedding of Jesus, both of which are part of the shadow of the rapture of the Bride. There are really only two big yearly festivals given to Christians to keep. The first is “Easter” which celebrates the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. That is where our year begins and that is a celebration of new life and new beginnings. This festival coincides with Passover. The second festival is Christmas which is at the end of the year and superficially is a celebration of Jesus birth even though we know that Jesus was not born on this day. Pagan holidays for the resurrection of the Sun were adopted for this celebration. Our year begins with the new birth at Easter and we all look forward to Christmas, the favorite day of the year.
Interestingly I saw that 2 Corinthians a book on the New Testament ministry is all about the festival of Hanukkah. Paul equated the story of Hanukkah with the New Testament ministry. The purpose of this ministry is that the Lord’s will would be done on earth as it is in heaven and that His kingdom would come. Each day of that festival there is more light. In Romans it seems the gospels are equated with the story of Christmas. Romans is the gospel according to Paul and chapter 8 is the “tip of the spear” when talking about the overcomers, those in the first rapture.
The Rapture is the birthday of the Manchild
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Christmas is the celebration of the birth of the savior, but they are not talking about Jesus, we know it is not His birthday. So why would Jesus, who is Lord of all, allow this celebration, this holiday to become so prominent in the last 100+ years? Christmas became part of the Catholic canon in 1917, 100 years later we get the Revelation 12 sign.
When the rapture takes place the "restrainer" of Satan and his counterfeit messiah can be revealed. The celebration shows a glorious worship of Jesus Christ as savior of the world come to the earth on December 24th, and then the next morning you realize you have been robbed (Santa came down your chimney in the middle of the night) and all the treasures (the raptured saints) are gone and you are left with junk from the mall pretending to be treasure.
The Lord is sovereign, we are celebrating this birthday for the last hundred years because the Lord wants us to be prepared for the rapture and the revelation of the Antichrist.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Christmas is the celebration of the birth of the savior, but they are not talking about Jesus, we know it is not His birthday. So why would Jesus, who is Lord of all, allow this celebration, this holiday to become so prominent in the last 100+ years? Christmas became part of the Catholic canon in 1917, 100 years later we get the Revelation 12 sign.
When the rapture takes place the "restrainer" of Satan and his counterfeit messiah can be revealed. The celebration shows a glorious worship of Jesus Christ as savior of the world come to the earth on December 24th, and then the next morning you realize you have been robbed (Santa came down your chimney in the middle of the night) and all the treasures (the raptured saints) are gone and you are left with junk from the mall pretending to be treasure.
The Lord is sovereign, we are celebrating this birthday for the last hundred years because the Lord wants us to be prepared for the rapture and the revelation of the Antichrist.
Wow!
What did the Revelation 12 Sign actually mean in 2017? Was it part of a BIGGER timeline?
29 minutes in he has a major revelation, he may not even realize it. He shows from Hosea 5:15 and 6:2 that 2,000 years from Jesus' ascension will be the Lord's return.
Jesus ascension was on Shavuot in AD 30 (he keeps saying AD 31 but his math is off, 40 years from AD 30 is AD 70, not from AD 31).
Shavuot is 7 complete sabbaths from the Day of Resurrection. This year it is exactly 6 months from Christmas to Shavuot (ascension day). This is big because the typology is that King David rules in Hebron for 7 1/2 years before coming to Jerusalem. Our thought is that the rapture will be 7 1/2 years before Jesus returns in glory to Jerusalem. That return will be on Ascension day and according to Hosea, it will be the Ascension day that is exactly 2,000 years from when Jesus ascended.
What did the Revelation 12 Sign actually mean in 2017? Was it part of a BIGGER timeline?
29 minutes in he has a major revelation, he may not even realize it. He shows from Hosea 5:15 and 6:2 that 2,000 years from Jesus' ascension will be the Lord's return.
Jesus ascension was on Shavuot in AD 30 (he keeps saying AD 31 but his math is off, 40 years from AD 30 is AD 70, not from AD 31).
Shavuot is 7 complete sabbaths from the Day of Resurrection. This year it is exactly 6 months from Christmas to Shavuot (ascension day). This is big because the typology is that King David rules in Hebron for 7 1/2 years before coming to Jerusalem. Our thought is that the rapture will be 7 1/2 years before Jesus returns in glory to Jerusalem. That return will be on Ascension day and according to Hosea, it will be the Ascension day that is exactly 2,000 years from when Jesus ascended.
I have shared in great detail that the US is the Great Babylon in Revelation 18. The US dollar rules over the kings of the earth, and Babylon is said to be "the great city that rules over the kings of the earth" and that would refer to Washington DC.
There are many posts anyone can review if they have a problem with that.
But once you understand that these verses are referring to the US
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
The question I have is "what day"? The US is the biggest consumer nation in the world, if the US is burned with fire and the nations of the world turn on her and destroy her, they will not do that without China and for China that will be very devastating to their export economy. They would pick December 25th as the single best day of the year as it would give them a year to try and make up for the loss of the US as a market.
There are many posts anyone can review if they have a problem with that.
But once you understand that these verses are referring to the US
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
The question I have is "what day"? The US is the biggest consumer nation in the world, if the US is burned with fire and the nations of the world turn on her and destroy her, they will not do that without China and for China that will be very devastating to their export economy. They would pick December 25th as the single best day of the year as it would give them a year to try and make up for the loss of the US as a market.
Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Santa is a story about how Satan transforms himself into an angel of light. I was helping out in children's ministry this weekend and I was reading this book to some very young children, one page in the book was about Halloween, so I told the kids I would skip that page because I don't like Halloween. One of the little girls told me that Halloween was good. I asked her why? She said because you get a bag of candy. Do not be deceived, children get sucked into Christmas and then feel like the church and the Bible deceived them when they realize they were deceived. They equate the holiday to the church even if the church never mentions Santa, reindeer, or all the other pagan rituals.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Santa is a story about how Satan transforms himself into an angel of light. I was helping out in children's ministry this weekend and I was reading this book to some very young children, one page in the book was about Halloween, so I told the kids I would skip that page because I don't like Halloween. One of the little girls told me that Halloween was good. I asked her why? She said because you get a bag of candy. Do not be deceived, children get sucked into Christmas and then feel like the church and the Bible deceived them when they realize they were deceived. They equate the holiday to the church even if the church never mentions Santa, reindeer, or all the other pagan rituals.
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Elohim Reveals the Rapture by Holy Spirit to his servants!
Ecclesiastes 1:9. The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Therefore I would expect examples of the rapture that we could refer to. Jesus talked about Noah entering the ark and Lot being rescued from Sodom.
Ecclesiastes 3:15. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
God requires certain things. God required Abraham’s prayers, He also required that Abraham be told and God required Noah to preach the gospel for 120 years and Noah was told what was going on.
John 13:19. Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
This is why we must speak concerning the rapture in our gospel. Surely Noah did. The enemy is not going to allow a “come to Jesus” moment after the pre tribulation rapture. You have to tell people before Satan has a chance to twist the story into some kind of “close encounters of the third kind” story.
Matthew 24:35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
God, the Father does know. We should ignore the words of man on this as well as their logic and all the other things that they say. We should also ignore the words of angels. For example the books of Enoch are considered genuine by the apostles as they referenced it several times in the New Testament but they don’t have special insight. There are also fallen angels as well that we should ignore. No, what we should do “as we see the day approaching” is to look up. God the Father can give us the word that we need at the time we need it.
1 Corinthians 2:10. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
I feel there are a lot of deep things that are to be revealed concerning the end of this age, the least of which is the date. I like to compare this to a final exam for school. You can go the entire year without knowing the date. During the first few months of school the date of the exam in June is trivial. What is important are the things you are learning at the time. If someone thinks that knowing the date will somehow help them they could be terribly mistaken. That said the Lord talked about “those that love His appearing” and commanded that we watch. This is why I feel it will be very tough on those who are pan tribulationists (“it will all pan out in the end”).
Amos 3:6. Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it? 7. Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Do you think we had WWII, the holocaust, 9/11, the Gulf War, the Mortgage meltdown or a hoast of other huge events these last two thousand years and the Lord hadn’t done it? Consider the pandemic, some argue that we have had other pandemics (Black plague, Spanish flu) before. They even argued that this one was far less severe (foolish since the Spanish Flu took place over several years and they were saying this after several months). It is true that we have had two or three major pandemics in the last two thousand years, but this is the one and only time the entire world operated as though there were one world government and shut down the economy. That has never happened before, unless you wish to compare an economy to a river, then the only time this happened previously was when the Israelites crossed the river Jordan. Therefore it is contrary to the word of God to think that God is not behind this pandemic or that this pandemic is not revealed in the word of God. If you do open the word and ask “where is the pandemic revealed” then obviously it is the book of Joel and this signals that the day of the Lord is near.
John 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
God declares the end from the beginning. We can look at the beginning of the Bible to see the end of man. We can look at the beginning of Jesus’ ministry to see the end. This is a key principle.
Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou has received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
He doesn’t say “remember what thou hast received” but rather “remember how thou hast received”. The Lord can give us a fresh and new word when we need it. For two thousand years Christians have done just fine not knowing how the calendar worked. Seventh Day Adventists have been preaching that you need to keep the Sabbath day and yet didn’t even know when the Sabbath was. Paul said don’t let anyone judge you for this because keeping those days and that calendar were not part of our covenant. However, Paul also said that those days were a shadow of things to come, so as the day approached we needed to understand and as a result we have been on a short learning curve concerning the various Old Testament feasts and how to calculate the day. It turns out that for 2,000 years what Christians considered to be “Pentecost” was not pentecost. Still, let no one judge you with regards to a feast day. We were never commanded to keep Passover or Pentecost or Shavuot. We were commanded to keep the Lord’s table and were told “whenever you keep it” indicating that there is no judgement on us for not knowing when the Lord’s day is.
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon then, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
9. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
These verses really bring home the point that knowing the day or the hour is the least important thing. If you knew a thief were coming there are things you need to do to prepare. If you don’t prepare knowing the thief is coming may not help and in fact could make things worse. This term “the day of the Lord” does not simply mean the pre tribulation rapture. Rather the day of the Lord refers to a whole host of things, judgement on all, the establishment of His kingdom, the wedding, etc. Now there is one “Christian” holiday which the world has corrupted to describe a thief coming in the night. Christmas is celebrated with a Christmas eve service celebrating the birth of Jesus and then that night Santa (Satan) comes as a thief in the night. Santa is a great deceit, a holiday built on a lie. Parents have to jump through hoops to perpetrate and continue this lie. The holiday describes an “all seeing eye” of Santa watching us and ready to judge us for every error. So yes, the day of the Lord is likened to the birth of a child. When a baby is born there is a lot of blood and guts. The baby will be caught up and taken to the nursery while everything else will go into the trash and be burned. But look at this verse, can you imagine a pregnant woman who is nine months pregnant not realizing that the day of the birth is approaching? She doesn’t know the day or the hour but she is supposed to be watching and ready, just like a pregnant woman who knows it could be any minute. Suppose a pregnant woman had been clueless, had not been going to the doctor, had been eating and drinking with the profligate in the world, what would you think of her? That is the analogy the Lord has given us for “you don’t know the day or the hour” and “you are not in darkness that that day would overtake you as a thief”. You have to prepare for a baby otherwise that day will overtake you as a thief. In this context “we are not of the night but of the day” and “we have not been appointed to wrath but unto salvation”.
Ecclesiastes 1:9. The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Therefore I would expect examples of the rapture that we could refer to. Jesus talked about Noah entering the ark and Lot being rescued from Sodom.
Ecclesiastes 3:15. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
God requires certain things. God required Abraham’s prayers, He also required that Abraham be told and God required Noah to preach the gospel for 120 years and Noah was told what was going on.
John 13:19. Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
This is why we must speak concerning the rapture in our gospel. Surely Noah did. The enemy is not going to allow a “come to Jesus” moment after the pre tribulation rapture. You have to tell people before Satan has a chance to twist the story into some kind of “close encounters of the third kind” story.
Matthew 24:35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
God, the Father does know. We should ignore the words of man on this as well as their logic and all the other things that they say. We should also ignore the words of angels. For example the books of Enoch are considered genuine by the apostles as they referenced it several times in the New Testament but they don’t have special insight. There are also fallen angels as well that we should ignore. No, what we should do “as we see the day approaching” is to look up. God the Father can give us the word that we need at the time we need it.
1 Corinthians 2:10. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
I feel there are a lot of deep things that are to be revealed concerning the end of this age, the least of which is the date. I like to compare this to a final exam for school. You can go the entire year without knowing the date. During the first few months of school the date of the exam in June is trivial. What is important are the things you are learning at the time. If someone thinks that knowing the date will somehow help them they could be terribly mistaken. That said the Lord talked about “those that love His appearing” and commanded that we watch. This is why I feel it will be very tough on those who are pan tribulationists (“it will all pan out in the end”).
Amos 3:6. Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it? 7. Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Do you think we had WWII, the holocaust, 9/11, the Gulf War, the Mortgage meltdown or a hoast of other huge events these last two thousand years and the Lord hadn’t done it? Consider the pandemic, some argue that we have had other pandemics (Black plague, Spanish flu) before. They even argued that this one was far less severe (foolish since the Spanish Flu took place over several years and they were saying this after several months). It is true that we have had two or three major pandemics in the last two thousand years, but this is the one and only time the entire world operated as though there were one world government and shut down the economy. That has never happened before, unless you wish to compare an economy to a river, then the only time this happened previously was when the Israelites crossed the river Jordan. Therefore it is contrary to the word of God to think that God is not behind this pandemic or that this pandemic is not revealed in the word of God. If you do open the word and ask “where is the pandemic revealed” then obviously it is the book of Joel and this signals that the day of the Lord is near.
John 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
God declares the end from the beginning. We can look at the beginning of the Bible to see the end of man. We can look at the beginning of Jesus’ ministry to see the end. This is a key principle.
Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou has received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
He doesn’t say “remember what thou hast received” but rather “remember how thou hast received”. The Lord can give us a fresh and new word when we need it. For two thousand years Christians have done just fine not knowing how the calendar worked. Seventh Day Adventists have been preaching that you need to keep the Sabbath day and yet didn’t even know when the Sabbath was. Paul said don’t let anyone judge you for this because keeping those days and that calendar were not part of our covenant. However, Paul also said that those days were a shadow of things to come, so as the day approached we needed to understand and as a result we have been on a short learning curve concerning the various Old Testament feasts and how to calculate the day. It turns out that for 2,000 years what Christians considered to be “Pentecost” was not pentecost. Still, let no one judge you with regards to a feast day. We were never commanded to keep Passover or Pentecost or Shavuot. We were commanded to keep the Lord’s table and were told “whenever you keep it” indicating that there is no judgement on us for not knowing when the Lord’s day is.
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon then, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
9. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
These verses really bring home the point that knowing the day or the hour is the least important thing. If you knew a thief were coming there are things you need to do to prepare. If you don’t prepare knowing the thief is coming may not help and in fact could make things worse. This term “the day of the Lord” does not simply mean the pre tribulation rapture. Rather the day of the Lord refers to a whole host of things, judgement on all, the establishment of His kingdom, the wedding, etc. Now there is one “Christian” holiday which the world has corrupted to describe a thief coming in the night. Christmas is celebrated with a Christmas eve service celebrating the birth of Jesus and then that night Santa (Satan) comes as a thief in the night. Santa is a great deceit, a holiday built on a lie. Parents have to jump through hoops to perpetrate and continue this lie. The holiday describes an “all seeing eye” of Santa watching us and ready to judge us for every error. So yes, the day of the Lord is likened to the birth of a child. When a baby is born there is a lot of blood and guts. The baby will be caught up and taken to the nursery while everything else will go into the trash and be burned. But look at this verse, can you imagine a pregnant woman who is nine months pregnant not realizing that the day of the birth is approaching? She doesn’t know the day or the hour but she is supposed to be watching and ready, just like a pregnant woman who knows it could be any minute. Suppose a pregnant woman had been clueless, had not been going to the doctor, had been eating and drinking with the profligate in the world, what would you think of her? That is the analogy the Lord has given us for “you don’t know the day or the hour” and “you are not in darkness that that day would overtake you as a thief”. You have to prepare for a baby otherwise that day will overtake you as a thief. In this context “we are not of the night but of the day” and “we have not been appointed to wrath but unto salvation”.
1Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Do we have any holy convocations, solemn feasts that depict a woman with child travailing in birth? Sure sounds like Christmas to me. So what we are looking for is a declaration of Peace and Security right before Christmas, like this declaration they are making tomorrow in the UN, and at the same time we want the Antichrist to confirm the covenant with the many for one week, just like they did with Agenda 2030 and COP28 which also ends tomorrow. To make it really perfect you want Christmas eve to be on the Lord's day, the one day we have been charged to keep as a dress rehearsal for the rapture.
Do we have any holy convocations, solemn feasts that depict a woman with child travailing in birth? Sure sounds like Christmas to me. So what we are looking for is a declaration of Peace and Security right before Christmas, like this declaration they are making tomorrow in the UN, and at the same time we want the Antichrist to confirm the covenant with the many for one week, just like they did with Agenda 2030 and COP28 which also ends tomorrow. To make it really perfect you want Christmas eve to be on the Lord's day, the one day we have been charged to keep as a dress rehearsal for the rapture.
Zechariah 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
As you have done it will be done unto you. All these nations will be cut in pieces because they are going to try and cut Israel in pieces. I think this is where we are at in history, it will be the plan the UN adopts and God will step in to cut them in pieces.
As you have done it will be done unto you. All these nations will be cut in pieces because they are going to try and cut Israel in pieces. I think this is where we are at in history, it will be the plan the UN adopts and God will step in to cut them in pieces.
Peace on Earth and Good will towards men
1Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
Really? The Thessalonians had only just recently been saved, Paul was with them for perhaps 6 months at most, and yet they don't need him to write about the time of the season?
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
We know perfectly well that the day and the season because "the Lord comes as a thief in the night"? This reminds me of a joke that I heard, "this is so easy even a fifth grader would understand. Quick, someone find me a fifth grader." In other words lets not overthink this, what season and what day do we do a dress rehearsal of a "thief coming in the night"? When I was very young and very new in the Lord I only knew of one "season" which is the Christmas season. I wasn't a Catholic so didn't know about Lent. But Santa coming down the chimney in the middle of the night is clearly a picture of a thief in the night. So we have a season and a day.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
A woman with child going into travail to give birth confirms that we must be talking about his day.
However, I would point out that the only day that we have been charged in the Bible to keep is the Lord's table, and that is a Holy convocation, a dress rehearsal for the Lord's table and the wedding feast of the Lord. So yes, right here it seems very certain that Paul is speaking about Christmas, but in other places I would say that the Lord's day is also the day, so this eliminates 6/7ths of the possible days, and then it must also be preceded by them saying "Peace and Security".
Just to emphasize this point in 1989 when the USSR collapsed the whole world said "peace and security" and that was December 26th.
1Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
Really? The Thessalonians had only just recently been saved, Paul was with them for perhaps 6 months at most, and yet they don't need him to write about the time of the season?
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
We know perfectly well that the day and the season because "the Lord comes as a thief in the night"? This reminds me of a joke that I heard, "this is so easy even a fifth grader would understand. Quick, someone find me a fifth grader." In other words lets not overthink this, what season and what day do we do a dress rehearsal of a "thief coming in the night"? When I was very young and very new in the Lord I only knew of one "season" which is the Christmas season. I wasn't a Catholic so didn't know about Lent. But Santa coming down the chimney in the middle of the night is clearly a picture of a thief in the night. So we have a season and a day.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
A woman with child going into travail to give birth confirms that we must be talking about his day.
However, I would point out that the only day that we have been charged in the Bible to keep is the Lord's table, and that is a Holy convocation, a dress rehearsal for the Lord's table and the wedding feast of the Lord. So yes, right here it seems very certain that Paul is speaking about Christmas, but in other places I would say that the Lord's day is also the day, so this eliminates 6/7ths of the possible days, and then it must also be preceded by them saying "Peace and Security".
Just to emphasize this point in 1989 when the USSR collapsed the whole world said "peace and security" and that was December 26th.