Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Nuking Edom & The Garden of Edom - Home of Gentiles after Rapture


On the one hand he has some very good exigesis of the prophecies that seems to be spot on. However, he is clearly a seventh day adventist For example he pushes keeping the Sabbath and the dietary regulations of the OT as a requirement for salvation. Some of this is so difficult to not laugh. For example 15 minutes in he points out that Peter's vision to "rise Peter kill and eat" was not referring to eating unclean animals but rather to preaching the gospel to the nations. But then he uses Isaiah 66 to condemn those that eat unclean animals to eternal damnation. So on one hand he points out that when God says to "eat" he is not actually referring to eating but preaching the gospel, but in the other verse where God says to eat he is talking about eating.

I think the idea that we must keep the laws which are against the Gentiles (what is the implication for someone who was born and raised eating unclean animals? Can they be saved? Does the blood wash them from their sins? What happens if they get baptized and then go home and eat with their family. The kitchen isn't kosher, does that then annul their salvation? Paul makes it very clear in Galatians that these kind of rules are Judaizer rules. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, Peter got the vision to remove the dietary regulations, and Paul got the vision that the reality of circumcision is the cross of Christ). If this were true, then Peter violated his salvation when he went into Cornelius house to eat because that kitchen was not kosher. Paul rebukes everyone for that kind of teaching calling them "judaizers" and "the concision".
 

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John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Let us all learn from this. When you are asked a tough question, pass that question to the Lord to answer. Turn difficult situations in your life into opportunities to pray.
 

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Luke 15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.

26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.

27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.

28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.

29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:

30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Every single time I have heard this story told it seems there is a lot of disrespect to the elder son like he is some kind of self righteous religious person. That never sat right with me.

1. He says the father never gave him a kid that he might be merry with his friends. The point is that the father has two sons, why are you seeming to show so much love to one and not the other. The father doesn't dispute this.

It seems to me that the father's point is about "timing". Since the younger brother was dead and is now alive this is the time to celebrate with him. So that got me thinking when does the Father give the older brother who has been faithfully serving Him his whole life a kid?

Then I was reminded of Caleb and Joshua

And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land. If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey. Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defense is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not” (Num. 14:7-9).

God gave Caleb and Joshua the giants as their feast to make merry with their friends.

Like the story of the prodigal son I always hear about the tribulation like it is some terrible horrible event, but perhaps it is a party for us? Think about the 144,000, they did not waste their inheritance with prostitutes, or feeding pigs. They gave themselves to the Lord, they worked in the field. They had different friends from the prodigal son. Perhaps the tribulation is when the 144,000 are given a kid to make merry with their friends.

I was on this championship football team. We were undefeated. The worst part of that season was that the first string never made it out of the first half. The game was always over by that time and we were pulled and replaced with the second and third string. By the time the last game rolled around I was just hoping they would give us a good enough game so we could play more than the first half. This team was undefeated and people were saying they were the favorite. We were totally psyched for that game and at the end of the first quarter it was over, we were so far ahead the coach pulled the first string. I spent 3/4 of that game watching from the sidelines. We then flew to Dallas to play a bowl game. This team was much better, we won 12-0 but the first string played the entire game. I enjoyed that game more than any other game the entire season. They challenged us.

So I am thinking this is what the tribulation will be like for the 144,000. Maybe they are like Caleb and Joshua.
 

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He had a bow

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow

This word for bow in Greek is Toxon. It is only used once in the NT.

Genesis 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

However, in the Septuagint they use the same word "Toxon" for Genesis 9:13, as a sign of Noah's covenant.

We know that the Antichrist "strengthens the covenant" but what covenant. I would suggest that He strengthens the Noahide covenant. Already there has been a move to make it punishable by death to worship idols. They want to strengthen the covenant God made with Noah to make it illegal to worship anyone other than the one God. They claim that this God is the same God that the Jews, Islam and the Christians worship. However, they also say that claiming that Jesus is God is a violation of the Noahide covenant.

This is not some vague conjecture, these laws are already being pushed and they have already set up the Abrahamic Family House in Abu Dhabi with three temples dedicated to Catholocism, Judaism and Islam.

The Doctrine of the Noahide Laws: Moreover, the Babylonian Talmud records the opinion of the school of Rab that a Noahide is to be punished by death only for violation of three of the Noahide laws. In the ensuing discussion, the prohibitions of sexual immorality, bloodshed, and blasphemy are identified as the three laws in question.

They equate calling Jesus the Son of God as blasphemy.
 

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WHITE HORSE RIDER and YEAR Tribulation STARTS Identified
 

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It is very ironic how many Christians claim to be following the Lord's word literally by quoting Him saying "no one knows the day or the hour". Really? Because every time the Lord said that the point was He was charging us to watch. Why do they ignore the charge to watch?

Also, if you are going to take the Lord's word literally then take it literally. Did He ever say no one knows the year? No. So then why do you say He did when He didn't?

Is there any reason to believe the Bible does tell us the year?

1. Daniel's prophecy told us the year the Messiah would be cut off or crucified.

2. Jesus rebuked the Jews for not knowing the time of their visitation.

3. The Magi were given signs in the heavens which would tell them when the Messiah was born.

4. Jesus told us that when we see all these things take place we should look up because our redemption draws nigh. So He told us clearly we would see all the signs fulfilled prior to His return.

5. Jesus rebuked Sardis telling them if they would not watch that they would not know the hour of His return.

6. Daniel's prophecy is somewhat vague actually referring to 70 groups. If you understand a group to be a shemitah of seven years then you get Jesus crucifixion date. But what happens if you understand the group to a jubilee? Well then you get 2024.

7. There is also two sides to the sign of Jonah. It was fulfilled precisely on the 1st day of the 40th year, the temple was thrown down and the Jews were scattered. With Nineveh God said that they didn't know how to discern, that was not true of the religious rulers in Jerusalem. But later Nineveh was also judged despite getting a reprieve. If you count 40 jubilees from the crucifixion you get 2031. Would that be Armageddon?

All these ones who keep proclaiming "no one knows the day or the hour" remind me of the pharisees who told the Magi that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem, they knew that verse, but didn't so much as go to investigate themselves.
 

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Luke 15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.

26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.

27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.

28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.

29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:

30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Every single time I have heard this story told it seems there is a lot of disrespect to the elder son like he is some kind of self righteous religious person. That never sat right with me.

1. He says the father never gave him a kid that he might be merry with his friends. The point is that the father has two sons, why are you seeming to show so much love to one and not the other. The father doesn't dispute this.

It seems to me that the father's point is about "timing". Since the younger brother was dead and is now alive this is the time to celebrate with him. So that got me thinking when does the Father give the older brother who has been faithfully serving Him his whole life a kid?

Then I was reminded of Caleb and Joshua

And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land. If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey. Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defense is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not” (Num. 14:7-9).

God gave Caleb and Joshua the giants as their feast to make merry with their friends.

Like the story of the prodigal son I always hear about the tribulation like it is some terrible horrible event, but perhaps it is a party for us? Think about the 144,000, they did not waste their inheritance with prostitutes, or feeding pigs. They gave themselves to the Lord, they worked in the field. They had different friends from the prodigal son. Perhaps the tribulation is when the 144,000 are given a kid to make merry with their friends.

I was on this championship football team. We were undefeated. The worst part of that season was that the first string never made it out of the first half. The game was always over by that time and we were pulled and replaced with the second and third string. By the time the last game rolled around I was just hoping they would give us a good enough game so we could play more than the first half. This team was undefeated and people were saying they were the favorite. We were totally psyched for that game and at the end of the first quarter it was over, we were so far ahead the coach pulled the first string. I spent 3/4 of that game watching from the sidelines. We then flew to Dallas to play a bowl game. This team was much better, we won 12-0 but the first string played the entire game. I enjoyed that game more than any other game the entire season. They challenged us.

So I am thinking this is what the tribulation will be like for the 144,000. Maybe they are like Caleb and Joshua.
Let's continue this thought concerning the 144,000

John 4:31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.

32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.

33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?

34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Surely this is also the attitude of the 144,000. They show up on the scene to "finish His work". They "do the will of Him who sent them". My point is that as terrible as the tribulation does appear, think of it as a great big barbecue in God's backyard where He has invited 144,000 close friends to come and eat and that this sacrifice is God the Father giving that faithful son who was always with Him working in the field a "kid" to enjoy with His friends.
 

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We need to reconsider the sign of Jonah.

16 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Is it simply a coincidence that Jesus juxtaposes this sign in heaven where the sky is red with the sign of Jonah? Notice that the sign has two sides to it, in one case it indicates fair weather the next day and in the other case it indicates foul weather. This is what we see with the sign of Jonah. For the Ninevites that cannot discern God is willing to give them a reprieve because they repented. For Jerusalem it was different. They could discern and I would argue the "40 days of preaching repentance" began on the 8th of Av, the feast of new wine, which we call "Pentecost" in 31AD. I would argue the first day of the 40th year was the 9th of Av in 70AD the day the temple was cast down. For those that could discern the judgement did not delay but came fast and furious. However, 2031 would be 2,000 years later or 40 jubilees. If Armageddon is on the 9th of Av in 2031 then the same holds true for the world, they were given 40 jubilees to repent whereas the Jews were given 40 years.

Now Jesus compares discerning the signs with a weatherman. To him it is the same thing. You know what all the factors are in your little equation and you look at what is happening on the Earth and you can discern the weather. He says we are good at that and yet "we can't discern the signs of the times". I don't think the true meaning of can't here is "unable" but rather "not allowed". It may be for many, they are "unable". But they depend on their experts, their pastors, to do this for them. That is a big mistake, we should not be trusting in man for our salvation. However, those pastors and experts and naysayers, they will receive the greater judgment. So why aren't they "allowed" to discern the signs? The US has 501c3 churches. These all have a board of directors. These churches are all very much focused on "growth" and "new members". They have been instructed to not talk "politics" which means don't talk about current events and government policies like the move of the globalists. They are also instructed to not talk about prophecies or the antichrist. So even though this makes up 25% of the Bible they "can't discern the times", that is they are not allowed to.

But you might argue that doesn't make sense. Look at all the Hollywood movies about the apocalypse and the "Left Behind" series, and the success of Hal Lindsey, etc. Doesn't that contradict this? Nope, Jesus said a "wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign". All of that is "seeking after a sign". Think of the movie called "Signs" where he gets this list of numbers that was in a time capsule that corresponds with all kinds of catastrophic events which he then sees as "signs". They aren't seeking after Jesus they are seeking after a sign. They don't want the all knowing and all wise God, they want to be god, they want to be all knowing and all wise. Their seeking after a sign is simply a form or rebellion. It is evidence that they are an adulterous and evil generation.

But it is not all doom and gloom. Anyone can look up at the sky and see that it is red. In fact the last few days they have been doing this all over the earth. You don't need a pastor or talking head or expert to tell you. If you have eyes in your head you can see it. Now the sign has a very simple interpretation, is it the end of your day or the start of your day? Is the sun rising or setting on this sign. The sign is Jesus crucifixion, does your day end with His death or this an opening for you. Like the Antichrist are you waiting for the restrainer to be removed so that you can rule and reign? The sign is only doom and gloom if your heart is rebellious, adulterous and evil. If during the last two thousand years (or in the case of the Jews in Jerusalem over the 40 years) your response is to repent for Jesus death, then it will be fair weather for you in the kingdom.
 

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The sign if Jonah -- 3 days of darkness

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

The sign of Jonah is 3 days and 3 nights in the "heart of the earth". This may be a reference to the outer darkness that Jesus refers to. After the three days is over then "Jonah" rose up and preached. He didn't want to, he was forced to. I suspect this will be those in the tribulation who were left behind and that this will bring in a great revival just as we saw with Jonah and the city of Nineveh. After Jonah went to Nineveh he preached for forty days to repent. After Jesus rose from the dead the disciples preached in Jerusalem forty years to repent. Likewise the church age will last for 40 jubilees for the world to repent. Meanwhile the first half of the tribulation will be 40 months, I think it will be preceded by this three days of darkness.
 

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The sign of Jonah -- the Son of Man

29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

The sign of Jonah is not them repenting. The sign of Jonah was Jesus Christ being crucified and then rising from the dead. However, that was 2,000 years ago. So think of Jesus Christ having a much bigger body today. It will be condemned in a kangaroo court, it will be mocked, it will be scourged, it will be nailed to a cross, and it will be killed. Perhaps not every single person who takes up their cross and follows the Lord will be martyred, but they will all experience the cross in one way or another. They will be shunned, they will be treated as a criminal, they will go outside the camp. Then they will be raptured and the world will experience three days of darkness similar to the three hours of darkness at the time of Jesus crucifixion, similar to the three days that Jesus was in the tomb.

Think of the rapture as the point in time when God forsook Jesus and all those left behind cry out "my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me". Those who are left behind are cast into outer darkness, the three days and three nights. They were told they had to take up their cross and follow the Lord, they came up with some reason why they didn't need to, as a result they will take this way because they Lord told them they must take up their cross and follow Him, there is no other option.

But when those three days are over they will be like Jonah spit up on the seashore who must then go to Nineveh, that evil city, and preach for 40 months during the tribulation.
 

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This brother does a great job of tying a number of prophecies in Daniel, Zechariah, Isaiah and Matthew together and making sense of them. For that reason I think everyone should listen to him. That said he also is very much influenced by the 7th day Adventists which to my understanding directly contradicts the apostle Paul's word in Galatians. So although I do recommend his handling of the OT prophecies and tying them to today, I would warn against anyone subscribing to the teachings of the Judaizers and those of the concision that you have to keep the dietary regulations, that you must be circumcised and that you must keep the sabbath. We are a new creation, we were raised up in Christ to walk in the 8th day, the 7th day was for the Old Creation and Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath. We worship the Lord on the 8th day to celebrate His resurrection and the fact that we also are in the new creation. Likewise, the cross of Christ is the true circumcision of the heart. Cutting off a piece of your flesh on your reproductive organ is what Paul refers to as "the concision". That is not the sign and proof of our covenant with the Lord, the proof and sign is the cross of Christ and its effect on our walk. Finally, unclean animals are unclean because they don't eat the cud (masticate the word of God, meditate on the word of God) and because their hoofs are not cloven (their is no evidence that the cross of Christ plays on their daily walk).

In conclusion I post this brother's work, not because I am in complete agreement with him, again, this blog should not be understood as my certifying everything posted as true, I am not the arbiter of truth. I post this because it is relevant to the rapture, it is biblically based, and it is not repetitive, it provides new insights. It is up to you to discern what is truly the word of God and what is the dross and chaff of human opinions.

Rapture, Tribulation Timeline, and the Abomination of Desolation

 

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Take heed that no man deceive you

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

I have provided the three references that many are familiar with. Sadly there is a lot of misquoting of this and though many are familiar, few actually read what is said carefully.

1. "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ"

Many Christians erroneously think if someone "comes in the name of Jesus" then they are not a deceiver. That is absurd, the Lord told us all three times they would come in His name. This is what we mean when we say "wolves in sheep's clothing". That is what Paul warned about in Acts. This is what the Judaizers were in Galatians.

Second many assume that saying "I am Christ" is a specific reference to cults like Jim Jones or Charles Manson. Of course, but the word "Christ" means "anointed". John told us that we all have the anointing. There are many Christian leaders that come in the name of Jesus but claim to have a "special anointing". Anyone claiming to have "a special anointing" should be a major red flag. We have all received an anointing, so I am not talking about those who teach on the anointing that we have all received. No, if they refer to this person as "the anointed man of God" that should be a warning. All genuine men of God are anointed. It is unnecessary to add that. It is like someone saying "I'm gonna be completely honest". That should be a major red flag. Why would you say that if you aren't always completely honest.

The time draweth near

2. Many do not realize that only in Luke does it say "the time draweth near". Matthew is written to the Jews, they get saved as a nation at the end of the seven year tribulation. Mark is written to those left behind, they go through the first half of the tribulation. Luke is written to those taken before the tribulation. Matthew and Mark do not need someone telling them "the time is near" because they are already in the time and they know it. The deception will be the antichrist claiming to be the Christ. The term "antichrist" does not mean against or contrary to Christ, it means "in place of Christ". The Antichrist is a counterfeit Christ.

So then let's look at Luke as it is most applicable to today. There are many people saying "the time is near". By itself that is not what the Lord is warning you about. Nor is He warning you that "coming in the name of the Lord" is a red flag. He is simply saying by itself that is not proof they are truly speaking from the Lord Jesus. A counterfeit is similar to the real thing. The real thing comes in the name of the Lord and if the Lord's coming is near they also will be telling you the time is near". No there are two things that will stand out, two witnesses that are special to the false ones. First they claim a special anointing, or their followers claim this person has a special anointing or they way they speak implies they have a special anointing. Second, they are trying to get you to follow them. They sell books, they have a church they want you to join, etc. They have a financial incentive.

So then, I do not subscribe to any site that requires a paywall nor do I buy their books. I have made a few exceptions and I did buy a few videos. To my understanding all genuine followers of the Lord have received freely and so they also are to "freely give". Do not take this concept to the extreme, Paul worked with his hands so that he could give the gospel for free, however, he also taught that the OT says "you shall not muzzle the ox that treads out the corn" as meaning those that work to teach us the Bible should be supported. I am not against buying books, videos, or joining a church. And without a doubt you should tithe as the Lord leads you. God loves a cheerful giver.

This is why there is a warning to us to not be deceived. There is no hard and fast rule that something is wrong other than the life and peace you get from the Holy Spirit. The Lord is not saying that if someone comes in the name of the Lord they are a false prophet, what He is saying is just because someone says they are coming in the name of the Lord don't drop your guard. Likewise He is not saying that if someone sells a book or video they are a false prophet, what He is saying is that all the false prophets have a profit motive. Think of the first circle is all the Lord's sheep, they all come in the name of the Lord but a few "wolves in sheep's clothing will be hiding in the midst". The second circle is all the false prophets have a profit motive, now mixed in there will be a few genuine prophets of the Lord who are also selling books, videos, etc. I don't drop my guard simply because someone says they are coming in the name of the Lord. However, if someone is trying to make money off of their ministry then my antenna is on high alert. Now if someone tries to convince me they have a special anointing I immediately cross them off my list, I'll stick with those that have the same anointing as me. If someone tries to prove to me their ministry is blessed because they have gold chains, luxury cars, a mansion and a private plane then I cross them off my list as well.

But there is a reason why Jesus said that their message will be "the time is near". An evil and adulterous age seeks a sign that the time is near. They have this thought that they can live in the world committing sins right up until the Lord returns, then they jump over to the Lord and as long as they are in church on the day the Lord returns they get raptured. So one person will point out a prophecy or a sign indicating the Lord is near, but their goal is to get closer to the Lord and be faithful to their calling and His command to watch. Someone else will be presenting the signs the Lord is near so that you will jump to his congregation and follow him hoping that will win you salvation. So ask the Lord in prayer, which message is this person speaking?

Go ye not after them

That is how you are deceived. Obviously you can't get to this point without listening to them. The Lord is not saying "don't listen". If that were the case then what is the point of having the gift of discernment or of having the Holy Spirit within you leading and guiding. What the false prophets do is give you just enough to lure you to follow them. With a true prophet they are not trying to lure you anywhere. There is no concluding word to send money somewhere, or to come to some conference or to pay a fee to hear more or buy a video or book.
 

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Take heed that no man deceive you

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
So then what is the deception?

In Luke it is clear that Jesus is telling you to not go after them, don't join their cult, don't buy what they are selling.

In Matthew and Mark it may be a reference to the mark of the Beast, don't take the mark of the Beast.

But neither of those understandings is how many people use this. They think that since there have been false prophets in the past let's not even talk about prophecy. That is 25% of the Bible! Doesn't it occur to you that that is the deception? Balaam was hired to defeat the Israelites. If he could convince them to not read or study the Bible that would be a victory.

Others use it as an excuse to not watch. How many times did Jesus command us to watch? He even said "why do you say you love me if you don't do what I command"?

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mark 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. 34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. 35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Luke 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

If you are using the fact that there are false prophets as an excuse to ignore the Lord's command to watch then you have been deceived.