Abortion question

[atwhatcost]

It isn't the result of the child, but the result of the mother. What happens to her heart? What happens to her spiritually? Physically?

God knows all but what if that child was called to be something or do something for the Lord? I was suppose to be aborted, ever reason for it: my mother was young, she would die having me, no money, no real future for me. All that was wrong and people have said that because of me life has been better for them...I worry if I wasn't here what would had been the result for them. Many of us that were suppose to not be here, have made a difference.

Every life is worth living for the Lord, those children can't receive any crown I don't think because they were not able to have a chance to live a godly life.

Luke 19:40 [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But Jesus answered, "I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!"[/FONT]
(Ack! Can't get the size right. lol)
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Our purpose is to stop stones from crying out, because we didn't. Glory to God! Not just stones praising him. God is using us to do his will.[/FONT]

 

[Hlyghst1]

Every life is worth living for the Lord, those children can't receive any crown I don't think because they were not able to have a chance to live a godly life.

MyLighthouse are you able to clarify this?

 

[Jay_too]

Anything to do with abortion, the process and the result, is wrong and goes totally against God's Word. I don't think we should not lighten our view on abortion just because the child goes to Heaven when aborted.
-ray

Well said!

 

[presidente]

4000 babies murdered every day (and old stats). GOD's WILL.
Hitler. God's will.
The Trade Center. God's will.

Sounds like Islamic philosophy to me.

Paul said that if Christ were not risen, then he would have been a false witness of God, since he testified that God raised Jesus from the dead. If these things aren't "God's will", wouldn't that make you a false witness of God?

Where does the Bible teach that men sinning is God's will? Some things are judgment, and you may be able to say that those are God's will. The Bible tells us that some of the idolatrous practices of Israelite Baal worship did not even enter into the LORD's mind, so how could you say that those are God's will.

The Bible says that it is NOT God's will that any should perish. Doesn't your philosophy make people perishing into God's will? You seem to have your own heavy determinism view of what 'God's will' means, and you seem to use it very differently from what the Bible says.

I certainly believe you owe God an apology.

 

[JSZie_91]

I don't understand why some people want to abort their unborn baby when others try very hard to conceived like me....urghhhhh

 

[Jesus4ever]

Abortion is a sin. I have no doubt about that. Only God knows when someone is created and should die, not any human.

 

[iveseenworse]

this is complex, one answer,conclusion affects the next. the problem is we don't know what heaven holds. do our sufferings yield equal reward? in heaven. if so, these infants loose out. God has work for a diversely gifted people to accomplish for His reasons. His ways are not our ways.

 

[JFSurvivor]

Ok so I understand where the OP is coming from. I really do. I hate this world. Like I HATE it. I can't wait for the day I die and get to see Jesus. Sometimes I do wish I had died at birth and got the "easy" road to heaven. I think we can all agree that life in no picnic. So I guess I'm just wondering the same thing. I read the above posts and I still don't get it. life doesn't feel like a gift. It feels like a curse sometimes. So can someone explain the downside to an early death that I'm not seeing and that hasn't already been stated?

 

[Elin]

Ok so I understand where the OP is coming from. I really do. I hate this world. Like I HATE it. I can't wait for the day I die and get to see Jesus. Sometimes I do wish I had died at birth and got the "easy" road to heaven. I think we can all agree that life in no picnic. So I guess I'm just wondering the same thing. I read the above posts and I still don't get it. life doesn't feel like a gift. It feels like a curse sometimes. So can someone explain the downside to an early death that I'm not seeing and that hasn't already been stated?

It's about being here for the Father's purposes.

 

[MarcR]

My post wasn't to you.But since you answered I cannot believe that there are Christians that would agree with abortion.I can not wrap my head around that.What God does in punishing in the OT is His affair.He created life,He has the right to take life.In the situations you talked about in the OT that was Gods judgment.

You say "Pharaoh was God's will, just not in a good way for Pharaoh." No it was not Gods will! Pharaoh refused to obey God,he refused to let the Jews go.His SIN caused the death of many,that was not Gods will.God isn't some cosmic being with a magnifying glass seeing how many people he can kill today. Quote " It was also God's will that quite a few Israelites were killed for creating the golden calf".... Again it was not Gods will.He told the Israelites not to make graven images,they did and were punished for it. How is that Gods fault? You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the God of the Bible.

kaylagrl,


I don'see atwhatcost advocating abortion; in fact she sharply disagreed with the OP.

I see her legitimately questioning why god doesn't prevent the evil in the world.

 

[MarcR]

I'm no more sure your concept is in accordance with the Bible either. So, God doesn't always get his will? Millions of infants die each year because God is inept?

Pharaoh was God's will, just not in a good way for Pharaoh. God's will included the Israelite's firstborns being killed, Moses escaped, all the firstborns of Egypt were killed, and the entire Egyptian army was killed. It was also God's will that quite a few Israelites were killed for creating the golden calf, and the ones the Levites missed, God killed to the tune of 3,000. Aaron was involved, and yet it wasn't God's will for him to die then. Some of that was for the good of the people killed, most wasn't, some of it was for the good of God's people, and some of it was to shape up God's people. Surely you understand God kills justly -- if not just to the victim, in some way we'll never know, for God's glory.

Surely the Bible doesn't teach "God just can't help it."

Lynn,

IMO, God created mankind because He wanted a creature able to receive and return His love.

The price God paid for a creature able to love Him was He got a creature able to reject His love.

Love must, by its nature, be volitional.

God was faced with a choice between preventing both sin and love or preventing neither sin nor love; because love cannot exist without the possibility of its rejection; which is the essence is what sin is .

To make love possible; God chose to temporarily permit sin to exist; since the alternative is a world without it.

We are not in a position to judge whether God's choice was worth the cost (which includes Jesus' self sacrifice for our sin).

 

[Jesus4ever]

Keep praying and ask the Lord to guide you through this matter.


God bless!

 

[Jesus4ever]

Ok so I understand where the OP is coming from. I really do. I hate this world. Like I HATE it. I can't wait for the day I die and get to see Jesus. Sometimes I do wish I had died at birth and got the "easy" road to heaven. I think we can all agree that life in no picnic. So I guess I'm just wondering the same thing. I read the above posts and I still don't get it. life doesn't feel like a gift. It feels like a curse sometimes. So can someone explain the downside to an early death that I'm not seeing and that hasn't already been stated?

I understand your pain. Life can be very tough, no doubt, but the question is that His will is sovereign. He has a purpose for each one of us. Right know I´m going through the toughest moment of my entire life, and many times I fall in my faith, my strengths lack many times, and I feel ashamed for that.

Keep praying and ask the Lord to guide you. Let Him take control of your life and things will be better.


I´ll pray for you, my dear.


God bless!

 

[JFSurvivor]

I understand your pain. Life can be very tough, no doubt, but the question is that His will is sovereign. He has a purpose for each one of us. Right know I´m going through the toughest moment of my entire life, and many times I fall in my faith, my strengths lack many times, and I feel ashamed for that.

Keep praying and ask the Lord to guide you. Let Him take control of your life and things will be better.


I´ll pray for you, my dear.


God bless!

Thank you.

 

[Pumicestone]

Where does the Bible teach that men sinning is God's will? [/SIZE]

Romans 13:1

" Let every person be subject to the governing authorities.
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For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God​

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This has always intrigued me.
A Christian living in Nazi Germany should have accepted that Hitler ruled by God's authority ?

Likewise, Christians living under the authority of the Taliban or Sadam Hussein or Idi Amin or Pol Pot ? ​

 

[Sirk]

Romans 13:1

" Let every person be subject to the governing authorities.
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For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God​

"

This has always intrigued me.
A Christian living in Nazi Germany should have accepted that Hitler ruled by God's authority ?

Likewise, Christians living under the authority of the Taliban or Sadam Hussein or Idi Amin or Pol Pot ? ​

Try telling this to all the people who risked their lives to save others in Nazi Germany and elsewhere......nothing to see here...moving along

 

[Pumicestone]

Try telling this to all the people who risked their lives to save others in Nazi Germany and elsewhere......nothing to see here...moving along

I agree completely Captain Sirk !
But did you notice that little squiggly thing with the dot underneath ?
It's called a question mark.

" Let every person be subject to the governing authorities.
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For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God "



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[Naomi7]

ever thought about the fact that all of those who advocate abortion are allready born?

abortion is murder. no other way to describe it.

 

[Sirk]

I agree completely Captain Sirk !
But did you notice that little squiggly thing with the dot underneath ?
It's called a question mark.

" Let every person be subject to the governing authorities.
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For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God "



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My bad...thanks for clarifying.

 

[DiscipleDave]

As a Christian, I've always stood firmly against abortion as its always seemed a terrible act producing a terrible result. However, I've recently looked at it from a new perspective that I feel somewhat guilty for and would like some insight on. I still see the act as completely despicable but do not necessarily see the result in the same light. I cannot see a scenario where any of those children would not make it into heaven. Obviously for those living our lives here on earth, heaven is the ultimate goal. We're tested, tempted, endure amazing hardships, and at the end hope that we ended our lives on the best possible terms. Those children, it seems to me, received the ultimate goal without enduring any hardships but yet all the benefits that heaven has to offer. I cannot see our earthly lessons being a real advantage in heaven that those children would need to be happy in heaven. Obviously all souls in heaven are happy or content otherwise whats the point. If that is the case, aren't those children the lucky ones? Why would we continue to see the result as a bad thing?

This logic is in error. The logic you use here would make it OK for any parent to kill their living children in order to ensure they are going to go to Heaven. i mean think about it, using your logic above, your saying it is OK to kill those children because all those children are going to go to Heaven. Same logic and defense for a parent who decides to kill all their children so they too can go to Heaven. Think about it, why let the children grow to be adults and take the chance of NOT getting to go to Heaven, let us kill our children to ensure they go to Heaven. What greater Love would a parent have to kill their child to make sure they go to Heaven? God forbid. That is the same logic you are using above. Saying it is OK to commit abortion because the children are guaranteed to go to Heaven. That logic is flawed, and is but an excuse to continue to kill children in Mother's wombs.

We should not go about to kill what God is creating. Who creates life? God decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant, God decides who will give life. Then comes the women who decides God made a mistake and kills their own child. All for what? Because they don't want to have to deal with the situation, just terminate the child, and therefore don't have to deal with the child, all the while yelling to the top of their throats, they did not KILL, it was not considered a child yet. Or whatever else they want to say to somehow justify the death of their child.

^i^ Responding to OP