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The Meaning of Life
^i^ Responding to post #48
The Meaning of Life
^i^ Responding to post #48
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I apologise but abortion is really not an option. I am a Mother of 4 months old at the age of 23. I got pregnant when I was still at 22. I am an SDA and u know how SDA's are so strict with this. But I considered my baby as a blessing. Though how hard it is for us, especially that we still have other priorities and I am sure people that know me will really depsise me. But I take into consideration the baby that is breathing within me. They are pure and innocent and they are a blessing to the family and they should not be killed.
Generalizing, yes, abortion, in and of itself, is a sin. Howver, in lots of cases, the pregnant woman is a victim, cast aside, torn, bleeding, hurt and taken advantage of. She did not ask for the pregnancy, it was forced upon her, in most cases,violently or while she was either forced or seduced while not being aware of the intention. You have to keep in mind...if SHE is a victim, the one who was violated in any form or fashion, her body, mind, spirit, etc. has also been jeopardized and put into confusion. We know from where CONFUSION comes from...and it is NOT a Godly place. If a woman can emotionally deal with the fact that her body and life is forever changed due to this, there is a glimmer of hope. However, few females know how to cope or deal. Few husbands can handle the fact that their married life is now topsy turvy with an upcoming unasked for child in the picture. I only know of one couple in my lifetime who were so adament about their stance on ABORTION that they proclaimed that even if a violent rape occured, by a single male or group, even of a different race, and pregnancy developed, they would lovingly, willingly and sweetly see it as GOD's will and raise that baby as their own, no questions asked, no arguments, completely as if it were planned. It sounds good for the record, but deep down, I honestly think they would have not carried the pregnancy to the full term. Is abortion a forgivable 'sin'? According to the power of the blood of JESUS...YES, YES, YES!!!!!!!
You do error in saying her pregnancy was forced upon her. The sex was forced upon her, the pregnancy was an attempt for God to Bless her with a child that would LOVE her, and call her mom. God was giving her a Blessing in the midst of a terrible act. All children are Blessings to their Mother. In the old day, a woman who could not have children was considered to be cursed by God. Those who could get pregnant were Blessed by God. You do error in saying that her pregnancy was forced on her. The Truth is, the sex was forced upon her, the pregnancy was a gift from God.
Who decides who will create life and who will not? God does that.
Can satan cause a person to get pregnant? The answer is NO. Can satan cause a person to be raped, sure. But not cause her to get pregnant. ONLY God decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant. That woman that was raped and got pregnant by it. Tell me, if she keeps the baby, will the child love her? Yes, will the child call her "Mommy"? Yes, will the child LOVE her MOM? Yes. Will the Mother love her own child? Yes. Is it possible that the child is a Blessing from God, something to come out of a very bad situation? YES of course.
But no not with this wicked and perverse generation, they will look for any excuse to kill children, and the excuse that they were raped is just as good, if not the best excuse to use to kill children that are not currently wanted. EXCUSES.
The ability to get pregnant is a BLESSING from God, woe to all those who kill that which God is trying to create. It is never the will of God that a pregnant woman (which He allowed to become pregnant) kill a child inside her, for NO REASON. If God did not want her to get pregnant, she would not have gotten pregnant. Tell me how many women are raped and do not get pregnant? Now if every raped women automatically got pregnant, then i would see justifying killing the child within. But to get pregnant, to be able to bring life into this world, to be chosen as the vessel to bring life into this world, is a Blessing from God, NO MATTER the circumstances. All abortion is evil. No EXCUSES.
Tell me Truly, Do all women who are raped have confusion as to keep the child? Or are there some who would not dream of killing a child even if they were raped? So then those who are confused, which is not of God, are the ones being tempted to commit murder are they not? You just said confusion is not of God and comes from satan, if then a women is raped, and thereby becomes confused whether to keep her child or not keep the child, how is that a Godly confusion? It's not, it is absolutely evil to even think upon killing the child. The mere fact that they are confused (NOT OF GOD) should reveal satan is at work in that confusion. But you are implying since they are confused, lets kill the child so as to get rid of the confusion that the woman is suffering from, do you see how that is illogical? How silly that is?
Are you saying that all women who have children and it changes her body and life forever due to that, is a bad thing. Certainly seems that is what you are implying, that because they got pregnant and the child would change that womans life and body forever, that it is a bad thing and the child needs to be killed because those bad things will happen to her. What if the child changes that woman's life for the better?
And that is a good reason to kill the child according to you? Is that what you are saying?
Have you not read, that only a FEW will take the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, that only a FEW will find that path. Many will kill their children and not blink an eye, because they were unplanned children. But the FEW who know the Truth of God, they will be the ones you described above, and they are very few indeed, and they are very pleasing to God.
only if they feel remorse and sorry for doing so, will they be forgiven of it. But knowing that it is sinful, knowing that in order to be forgiven of this heinous crime against humanity, that you have to feel sorry and remorse for doing so, SHOULD reveal to you that it is evil and wicked and wrong and sinful and should not be done. But in reading this post i read you defending a woman killing her child if she was raped, and then all she needed to do afterwards is repent of it, and all is well. This is the same logic this evil and perverted generation holds on to. Commit all the sins you want to, and never cease from them, as long as you repent afterwards you are Good with God. lol, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth when Christ shows up, and they are not taken with Him.
^i^ Responding to Post #63
Who decides who will create life and who will not? God does that.
Can satan cause a person to get pregnant? The answer is NO. Can satan cause a person to be raped, sure. But not cause her to get pregnant. ONLY God decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant. That woman that was raped and got pregnant by it. Tell me, if she keeps the baby, will the child love her? Yes, will the child call her "Mommy"? Yes, will the child LOVE her MOM? Yes. Will the Mother love her own child? Yes. Is it possible that the child is a Blessing from God, something to come out of a very bad situation? YES of course.
But no not with this wicked and perverse generation, they will look for any excuse to kill children, and the excuse that they were raped is just as good, if not the best excuse to use to kill children that are not currently wanted. EXCUSES.
The ability to get pregnant is a BLESSING from God, woe to all those who kill that which God is trying to create. It is never the will of God that a pregnant woman (which He allowed to become pregnant) kill a child inside her, for NO REASON. If God did not want her to get pregnant, she would not have gotten pregnant. Tell me how many women are raped and do not get pregnant? Now if every raped women automatically got pregnant, then i would see justifying killing the child within. But to get pregnant, to be able to bring life into this world, to be chosen as the vessel to bring life into this world, is a Blessing from God, NO MATTER the circumstances. All abortion is evil. No EXCUSES.
Tell me Truly, Do all women who are raped have confusion as to keep the child? Or are there some who would not dream of killing a child even if they were raped? So then those who are confused, which is not of God, are the ones being tempted to commit murder are they not? You just said confusion is not of God and comes from satan, if then a women is raped, and thereby becomes confused whether to keep her child or not keep the child, how is that a Godly confusion? It's not, it is absolutely evil to even think upon killing the child. The mere fact that they are confused (NOT OF GOD) should reveal satan is at work in that confusion. But you are implying since they are confused, lets kill the child so as to get rid of the confusion that the woman is suffering from, do you see how that is illogical? How silly that is?
Are you saying that all women who have children and it changes her body and life forever due to that, is a bad thing. Certainly seems that is what you are implying, that because they got pregnant and the child would change that womans life and body forever, that it is a bad thing and the child needs to be killed because those bad things will happen to her. What if the child changes that woman's life for the better?
And that is a good reason to kill the child according to you? Is that what you are saying?
Have you not read, that only a FEW will take the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, that only a FEW will find that path. Many will kill their children and not blink an eye, because they were unplanned children. But the FEW who know the Truth of God, they will be the ones you described above, and they are very few indeed, and they are very pleasing to God.
only if they feel remorse and sorry for doing so, will they be forgiven of it. But knowing that it is sinful, knowing that in order to be forgiven of this heinous crime against humanity, that you have to feel sorry and remorse for doing so, SHOULD reveal to you that it is evil and wicked and wrong and sinful and should not be done. But in reading this post i read you defending a woman killing her child if she was raped, and then all she needed to do afterwards is repent of it, and all is well. This is the same logic this evil and perverted generation holds on to. Commit all the sins you want to, and never cease from them, as long as you repent afterwards you are Good with God. lol, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth when Christ shows up, and they are not taken with Him.
^i^ Responding to Post #63
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It should not be our choice to end life but the time of the passing of a new creation should be on God's terms. I don't feel for the child, but the person who is ending a life. They are the ones that must atone for the actions that they have done. Though shall not kill. Also the Woman takes a hefty hit too. She then is going to go through a myriad of emotional feelings and hormone changes that can be devastating. Thank God for The Lord Jesus Christ. We should also mourn the passing of life not celebrate death. If we wanted to send souls to heaven left and right and get as many as we can in there so they do not have a chance to fall victim to the devil why not have farms of woman so we can kill as many babies as we can so they can go to heaven. Though shall not kill. Do not concern yourself with what heaven or hell is. Just stay with God and in the end you'll know soon enough. Contemplating or even thinking that someone might go to hell or heaven is a form of Judging and a waste of mental energy.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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You can't set aside murder. You are attempting to remove an aspect of abortion because it is detrimental to your argument. Well, i'm not going to accept that. I'm not removing the sin and murder out of the equation to give you an advantage. If you can't argue against the sin/murder aspect then that kills your case.
And God granted you life, the Creator of all things. Living perfection. Comparing His creating life to the selfish humans murdering children as to remove the consequences of their sins is a horrible comparison. And lets face it, the bulk of abortions are just that, birth control, removal of consequences and personal responsibility.
You're trying to justify sin by saying something good will come out of it. So, in your eyes, sin is justifiable and people should willfully sin by killing unborn children, because the child will go to heaven.
Here's the catch, you're saying 'if i had a choice i'd choose heaven', but that's just it..."had a 'choice'". Abortion isn't giving someone a choice.
And your assumption that the outcome is only good is a selfish mentality. It's a person asking 'what's good for me?' as opposed to 'whats the best choice to make?'. What if someone had a choice and that person chose heaven, but then, as a result of their choice, it caused someone negative on earth?
Truth is, at the end of the day, the only way you can make your argument feasible is if you try to remove the sinful aspect, but you can't do that. You can theorize in this make believe world all you want, but that is not the world we live in. We don't get to discard the things we don't like to make our view more convenient for us. There is no saying 'well, that point kills my argument, so lets set it aside and pretend it's not there'. Nope. It's there. The burden is on you to prove your point, without ignoring or excusing the facts, to show that what you are theorizing is justifiable to God and is what is best for everyone.
And God granted you life, the Creator of all things. Living perfection. Comparing His creating life to the selfish humans murdering children as to remove the consequences of their sins is a horrible comparison. And lets face it, the bulk of abortions are just that, birth control, removal of consequences and personal responsibility.
You're trying to justify sin by saying something good will come out of it. So, in your eyes, sin is justifiable and people should willfully sin by killing unborn children, because the child will go to heaven.
Here's the catch, you're saying 'if i had a choice i'd choose heaven', but that's just it..."had a 'choice'". Abortion isn't giving someone a choice.
And your assumption that the outcome is only good is a selfish mentality. It's a person asking 'what's good for me?' as opposed to 'whats the best choice to make?'. What if someone had a choice and that person chose heaven, but then, as a result of their choice, it caused someone negative on earth?
Truth is, at the end of the day, the only way you can make your argument feasible is if you try to remove the sinful aspect, but you can't do that. You can theorize in this make believe world all you want, but that is not the world we live in. We don't get to discard the things we don't like to make our view more convenient for us. There is no saying 'well, that point kills my argument, so lets set it aside and pretend it's not there'. Nope. It's there. The burden is on you to prove your point, without ignoring or excusing the facts, to show that what you are theorizing is justifiable to God and is what is best for everyone.
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Killing is killing, I don't see how ripping apart a child is lucky. and I'm sure this has been discussed, but we are born and created with a sin nature. I'm sure there will be those who disagree with me. But I don't believe unsaved babies go to heaven. I've worked in a crisis pregnancy center for years. This is close to my heart and I've covered this topic in prayer over and over. There's no good thing about destroying a creation of the Lord.
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It's never right to do wrong to do right. The child didn't ask to be created nor killed either. "just" because a girl finds herself in a crisis pregnancy doesn't mean still heal better or faster if she gets rid of the pregnancy. Most times the pregnancy isn't the issue and their are deeper issues to deal with.
Yes I believe abortion is forgiven.....But if you think that there's no consequence for knowing what you're doing and still sinning then that's a fantasy.
Yes I believe abortion is forgiven.....But if you think that there's no consequence for knowing what you're doing and still sinning then that's a fantasy.
Well I think that the aborted babies do go to heaven, but for those of us who understand the will of God for people to live and live a full life and love Him, then at that point I think we're having a god complex to decide who goes to heaven and who gets to live. In the case of the mothers who are having the abortions, it's more of a huge toll on them than on that of the little one.
What about women's rights? There are certain unfortunate exceptions when abortion is a necessary evil. What if the mother's life is in danger? What if the baby, when born will be a water head baby with the chance of living only a few minutes? What about incest and rape? (in cases of incest, it IS rape!) What if the mother is too old to take care of a baby, she's in her 40's or 50's and thought her husband was fixed but somehow it came undone, and surprise, she doesn't want one now that her children are grown, what about mentally ill women who have episodes and do it while their out of it and get pregnant when they never intended to do that or ever have a baby, their medicine will make the baby severly deformed. Women on drugs or alcohol could give birth to deformed and handicap children.
Abortion is like shutting the gate after the cow got out. We need to teach people, not just young people and teens but everybody to be abstinant, chaste, not to have sex until they are married. Teach people about real love, not lust, to be faithful, to control urges, to use birth control and think about it before having a baby. Babies are not suppose to be accidents, people should plan for them. Birth control is not the same thing as abortion, there's nothing wrong with it.
Abortion is like shutting the gate after the cow got out. We need to teach people, not just young people and teens but everybody to be abstinant, chaste, not to have sex until they are married. Teach people about real love, not lust, to be faithful, to control urges, to use birth control and think about it before having a baby. Babies are not suppose to be accidents, people should plan for them. Birth control is not the same thing as abortion, there's nothing wrong with it.
Truth is, I hate abortion. I hate this evil world full of lies that confuses lust with love. I hate watching evil, sinful TV shows and movies that disappoint me. I love babies and children because each new life is a new chance, a new beginning, to create a child that loves the Lord with all of his or her heart. Women are created with the ability to conceive carry and give birth to life, that is amazing, a miracle in itself. After Eve sinned by eating the forbidden fruit, God punished her by making her give birth in great pain, but he also blessed her by giving her the name 'Eve' which means 'Mother of the Living.' Children are gifts from God, they are precious. A child should not be punished for the fault of the parents. I have heard how brutally cruel the baby is torn out to pieces, it is so sad.
I don't think Christians should murder abortion doctors or attack women seeking an abortion or bomb abortion clinics. We should fight this evil with love, peacefully.
I don't think Christians should murder abortion doctors or attack women seeking an abortion or bomb abortion clinics. We should fight this evil with love, peacefully.
Wow that's funny logic. Because you believe children go to heaven then abortion ain't so bad. That's a gallant stand. Try role playing out the act of aborting a baby. Look into partial birth abortion. You know a 9 month old baby can be killed after it is born? It's true. Happened recently where a mother had the baby full term , saw it had a birth defect and told the doctors to kill it and they did.
You might as well have added to the end of your last statement, But if you do get pregnant and don't want the baby for any of the above reasons, then decide to kill the baby, oh wait that is not politically correct, rephrase to "decide to abort the unborn child" that sounds better then kill the baby, or murder the new creation.
In all of the above excuses you give for one to get an abortion, tell me, who decides if that person gets pregnant or not? GOD DOES.
Has any child, after being told by doctors that the child will be deformed, came out healthy? Yes, miracles happen.
Has any mother who was told they would not survive the pregnancy, decided to keep the child anyways, because they loved the child more than self, turns out the mother lives? Yes, miracles happen.
Has any woman who was raped, decided to keep their child, and all their lives are thankful to God that they did so? Yes, miracles happen.
Has any woman who decided to keep their child that was born deformed, Thankful to God that they did not get an abortion? Yes, miracles happen.
But let us in this generation not believe in miracles, but let us believe the men (doctors) and kill our children because of what they say. EXCUSES.
Let us kill our children, because something MIGHT happen to the mother or the child. What an evil and wicked generation that is before the eyes of God. Altogether lack Faith in the power of God.
^i^ Responding to Post #70
In all of the above excuses you give for one to get an abortion, tell me, who decides if that person gets pregnant or not? GOD DOES.
Has any child, after being told by doctors that the child will be deformed, came out healthy? Yes, miracles happen.
Has any mother who was told they would not survive the pregnancy, decided to keep the child anyways, because they loved the child more than self, turns out the mother lives? Yes, miracles happen.
Has any woman who was raped, decided to keep their child, and all their lives are thankful to God that they did so? Yes, miracles happen.
Has any woman who decided to keep their child that was born deformed, Thankful to God that they did not get an abortion? Yes, miracles happen.
But let us in this generation not believe in miracles, but let us believe the men (doctors) and kill our children because of what they say. EXCUSES.
Let us kill our children, because something MIGHT happen to the mother or the child. What an evil and wicked generation that is before the eyes of God. Altogether lack Faith in the power of God.
^i^ Responding to Post #70
You are not far from the Kingdom of God.
Children are indeed blessings from God, Those who agree with abortion have altogether forgotten that TRUTH.
Most who advocate abortion claims a good reason to kill the child is because the mother was raped, They altogether look at the situation in a very negative way, the Godly way, the positive way to look at that same situation, is that God blessed the lady with a beautiful gift coming out of a very tragic situation. Because Children are indeed blessings from God. What then, satan causes a raped women to become pregnant, What? to have a demon baby? i wander how many raped mothers who decided not to kill their babies, had demon children? How many of them had wicked babies, or evil babies with red eyes and shot fire from their fingers? How many raped women who decided to keep their baby later wished they would have aborted them because they are anti-christs. People in this generation who teach it is OK to abort a child if the mother was raped, do not know or understand the Blessing and LOVE a child can bring to that Mother. It is an excuse to kill a child because the mother was raped, an EXCUSE to kill, and call killing good.
^i^ Responding to Post #73
Children are indeed blessings from God, Those who agree with abortion have altogether forgotten that TRUTH.
Most who advocate abortion claims a good reason to kill the child is because the mother was raped, They altogether look at the situation in a very negative way, the Godly way, the positive way to look at that same situation, is that God blessed the lady with a beautiful gift coming out of a very tragic situation. Because Children are indeed blessings from God. What then, satan causes a raped women to become pregnant, What? to have a demon baby? i wander how many raped mothers who decided not to kill their babies, had demon children? How many of them had wicked babies, or evil babies with red eyes and shot fire from their fingers? How many raped women who decided to keep their baby later wished they would have aborted them because they are anti-christs. People in this generation who teach it is OK to abort a child if the mother was raped, do not know or understand the Blessing and LOVE a child can bring to that Mother. It is an excuse to kill a child because the mother was raped, an EXCUSE to kill, and call killing good.
^i^ Responding to Post #73