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This identical questions could be written about ANY politician in ANY country. But it does make you think about how important it is to be well versed in Gods word and thorough in looking at your candidates before voting. In Canada I voted for stephen Harper because he represented the Christian conservative right... i did however base this conclusion on information given via christian programming & did not do my own research in this regard. If it turned out that he ended up being a pro-abortion gay rights activist I would in a way be responsible for this because of blindly following other conservative christians and relying on their assessment rather than looking for myself.
It's not that voting for someone who is against God doesn't matter, it's that it won't matter. That is one man in a country of millions. Whether you like it or not gays are going to be having sex and women are going to be having abortions no matter who is the president. That's the reality, and whoever you vote for or didn't vote for is not going to change that. Neither does it indicate whether they are committed Christian or not.
That's a contradiction. How can you vote for someone in who is openly against God and yet not sinless? By definition, ALL sinners are against God. So whoever you vote for is going to be against God. And just because you vote for someone who is against abortion and homosexuality doesn't make you any better than a Christian who didn't.
If that is the case, then please show me in the bible where the Lord Jesus explicitly talked about homosexuality or abortion as you claim. If you can't quote any verses, my point is proven. Or you need to become more familiar with your bible.
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There are actually quite a few scriptures on homosexuality. There are also a few accounts of children being murdered. God considers children to be dearly.
This phrase is used so often as if to say that being accountable for hundreds of thousands of murdered babies is the same as rolling through a stop sign. Some sinners will have much more to answer for like Obama than someone else who DOESN'T stand so firmly against God. That's the point.
This phrase is used so often as if to say that being accountable for hundreds of thousands of murdered babies is the same as rolling through a stop sign. Some sinners will have much more to answer for like Obama than someone else who DOESN'T stand so firmly against God. That's the point.
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Lev 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
Lev 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
Gen 19:4-8 4 Before they could lie down to sleep, all the men – both young and old, from every part of the city of Sodom – surrounded the house. 5 They shouted to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!” 6 Lot went outside to them, shutting the door behind him. 7 He said, “No, my brothers! Don’t act so wickedly!
P.S. I have articles too!
http://www.jimfeeney.org/againstgaymarriage.html
http://www.tencommandments.org/homosexual.html
http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/homosexual.htm
This is just a fraction.
Lev 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
Gen 19:4-8 4 Before they could lie down to sleep, all the men – both young and old, from every part of the city of Sodom – surrounded the house. 5 They shouted to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!” 6 Lot went outside to them, shutting the door behind him. 7 He said, “No, my brothers! Don’t act so wickedly!
P.S. I have articles too!
http://www.jimfeeney.org/againstgaymarriage.html
http://www.tencommandments.org/homosexual.html
http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/homosexual.htm
This is just a fraction.
Yes, and they'll be judged for it. But I don't believe God is going to judge any Christian for voting for Obama, they are simply voting in a man to do the job of president. If you think God is going to judge any Christian for voting for Obama because Obama supports those things, then perhaps you also believe God will judge christians for buying coffee from a gay coffee shop owner. But He might just judge Christians who judge others based upon who they voted for.
So that's Obama's problem, not those who voted for him. Say you didn't vote Obama in. So what. He might go on to become a high flying lawyer standing up for gay rights or something in the legal system. You can't change that.
So that's Obama's problem, not those who voted for him. Say you didn't vote Obama in. So what. He might go on to become a high flying lawyer standing up for gay rights or something in the legal system. You can't change that.
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lol. I like that. That's a pretty good point. I guess in my mind, I couldn't possibly imagine voting for him KNOWING what I KNOW. I guess I need to realize that there are those that voted for him simply not knowing. But it's almost impossible not to. T.D. Jakes was heard saying that Obama was black, plain and simple. that's not good.
Honestly if I was an American , I wouldn't have voted at all lol, certainly not Obama. We didn't even hear what Obama's views on abortion and gays was here in Australia, it was all about other things, like the economy. It seems American elections are quite different to here in Australia, mostly about who the candidates are like a popularity context, than what they actually stand for.
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OK, this is just a question. What if Obama voted against abortions, saying they are not ok.
What as a body of Christ could we do to stop the women who will still have abortions. This would be something that we would have to do something about because these abortions will include hangers and unsafe home remedies. Dangerous both to the mother and child. It is more likely that the abortion will fail and the child will be born all messed up.
I just wonder instead focusing all of our attention on the Presidents willingness to propose and accept a middle ground between Pro-Choice and anti-abortionist. Could we not focus on prevention, teaching and mentoring both men and women on the things that will dramatically reduce abortion.
I am not for abortions, but I will not picket an abortion clinic or harrass the woman who have chosen this path. I will support them as they grieve and recover from this terrible thing they found necassary. Nor would I vote for a President that in Gods name condemns and judges people for this action that this nation still see's as legal.
What as a body of Christ could we do to stop the women who will still have abortions. This would be something that we would have to do something about because these abortions will include hangers and unsafe home remedies. Dangerous both to the mother and child. It is more likely that the abortion will fail and the child will be born all messed up.
I just wonder instead focusing all of our attention on the Presidents willingness to propose and accept a middle ground between Pro-Choice and anti-abortionist. Could we not focus on prevention, teaching and mentoring both men and women on the things that will dramatically reduce abortion.
I am not for abortions, but I will not picket an abortion clinic or harrass the woman who have chosen this path. I will support them as they grieve and recover from this terrible thing they found necassary. Nor would I vote for a President that in Gods name condemns and judges people for this action that this nation still see's as legal.
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Wait, that's compromise. The number of "hanger" abortions is not NEARLY as frequent as you think in a society where abortion is legal. Almost all of abortions happen b/c of the convenience of having one. and messed up babies? How many women are messed up after they realize what they've done? How many babies are born "messed up" after a failed abortion anyhow? How "messed up" is a partial birth abortion?
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I am not compramising with abortion, I would never ask or condone that a woman have an abortion or that a church condone for that matter. What I am saying is shouldn't we focus on trying to prevent the reason for aboortion. I will give you an example, I did some missions work after reading a book about children prostitution in Columbia (abortion there is illegal). And what I saw was heart breaking. The girls who lived on the street and sold themselves all went to underground abortion "clini
cs" and well there not all that underground they are barely inforced from what I saw. There in alleys and peoples homes. But the reallity is that it wasnt just the little girls but all kinds of women with many other reason.
And While I was in Iraq, women that were raped had abortions done illegally because if they would start to show. There family still has the right to kill them, I wish I would have stats for you but none of these "clinics" report anything since there illegal.
So the reason why I tell you what I have seen, is just to show you that these "hanger" abortions do happen and are more likely to cause more problems. I mean I agree that in Amreica alot of these abortions are done for convinience and I disagree with them.
But I would like to see more churches get involved with the prevention and after care of these women. Instead of condemning there actions in such an un kind way.
cs" and well there not all that underground they are barely inforced from what I saw. There in alleys and peoples homes. But the reallity is that it wasnt just the little girls but all kinds of women with many other reason.
And While I was in Iraq, women that were raped had abortions done illegally because if they would start to show. There family still has the right to kill them, I wish I would have stats for you but none of these "clinics" report anything since there illegal.
So the reason why I tell you what I have seen, is just to show you that these "hanger" abortions do happen and are more likely to cause more problems. I mean I agree that in Amreica alot of these abortions are done for convinience and I disagree with them.
But I would like to see more churches get involved with the prevention and after care of these women. Instead of condemning there actions in such an un kind way.