Can't talk to my Boyfriend about Jesus-/really struggling in my own relationship

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JFSurvivor

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So I have come to the conclusion that I can't talk to my boyfriend about Jesus. It's not his fault and I don't THINK it's mine. I don't think it's anyone's fault really...well except satan. Anyway I can't talk to him about Jesus because I am really struggling with my relationship with Jesus. I think I had mentioned about my old churches in previous posts but just in case I'll mention them again.

I went to this one church called Willow Creek and it was really nice for a while. Then my life got hard and no one was there for me. I would go in to church feeling bitter and angry because I was in so much pain and no one cared enough to notice or listen (at the church I currently go to people are really good about this. They talk to me and listen to me). I know it may have been a little egotistical of me to expect people to care about me when they didn't even know me but I would walk in to church wearing a black T-shirt and jeans every Sunday usually with a look of sadness on my face and no one thought to say, "hi my names *insert name*. I've noticed you coming here quite often. Would you like to talk after service?" I just wish someone would have cared. There was a couple who allowed me to sit with them and they did care but they didn't know how to handle the amount of pain I was in. I would try to talk to them about my problems but they weren't always sympathetic. Although I gotta give them credit they were the nicest people there. Well while I was at Willow Creek the sermons started to sound the same "give us money and you're a good Christian." and I wasn't getting much out of it so I left.

While I was in the process of deciding to leave I got plugged in to another church. This one was called ICOC (International Church of Christ). They were awful. They painted God as this angry father who you couldn't please no matter what you did. I remember going home after Bible study with them and crying in the shower because I thought that Jesus didn't love me. I thought I wasn't good enough for God even with Jesus's sacrifice. Eventually it got so bad that they sat me down and had me write out a list of my worst sins I had every committed and these were BAD. Then they had me read the list to them and then they went through the complete medical account of Jesus's death on the cross in extreme detail. They described the whip they used to flog Jesus and how bad it must have hurt on his genitals and how the roman guard put the nail right in where a nerve was so that it would be as painful as possible for Jesus. Then Jess, the leader, looked me in the eye and said, "your sins put him on that cross." I burst in to tears, got up and left.

Not only because of all that but also because of the abuse I went through in high school also hurt my relationship with him. I would be on my floor screaming for the emotional pain to go away begging God for some relief and none came. When I had a good day and I started to enjoy life something would happen where I would get in trouble and I would wind up on my floor again screaming for relief. So now I get nervous and sometimes feel guilty when I start to enjoy life because I'm afraid God will take it away and ruin everything. Sometimes when I pray I'm afraid God will do the opposite of what i pray for. For example I prayed that I would stay in phi theta kappa and then I was afraid that God would make it so that I got kicked out. I explained my feelings to God and felt better.

Now I'm in a place where my head sees God as this loving father who can't get enough of me and who adores me and who loves me enough to send his son to die for me but my heart sees him as this harsh evil being who only wants to ruin my life. I am working on my heart and I want to be better.

When my boyfriend talks to me about Jesus sometimes it's hard for me to accept certain things he says because it sounds different to me. For example:

He says: You need to use logic when talking about Jesus to others

What I hear: Love doesn't matter

So how can I talk to him about Jesus without hearing stuff like that. Also please don't say "just pray" because I have been hearing that my whole life and I prayed and prayed and prayed and it looked like God did nothing. I know in my head that he was doing a lot but my heart doesn't know that yet. Prayers would be useful btw. I'm not saying don't pray for me but please don't be like "just pray" and have that be all you write.

Sorry I'm just a little nervous posting this...I have never really been this open about my struggles when it comes to God.

Thanks for reading this. I know it was long.

Oh and I have told this to my bf and he has been nothing but kind and understanding. :)
 
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blue_ladybug

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well, if you're having trouble in your own relationship with Jesus, then you probably won't be effective in talking to your bf about Him. It's the take the plank out of your eye so you can see clearly thing. Improve YOUR relationship with God first, THEN talk to your bf about him, if he'll listen. Some people just don't want to hear about God, and no amount of talking will change that.
 
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I just wanna hug u... im not experienced enough to offer u anything else
 

JFSurvivor

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well, if you're having trouble in your own relationship with Jesus, then you probably won't be effective in talking to your bf about Him. It's the take the plank out of your eye so you can see clearly thing. Improve YOUR relationship with God first, THEN talk to your bf about him, if he'll listen. Some people just don't want to hear about God, and no amount of talking will change that.
He will listen though. he's a Christian and he wants to help me.
 
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Consider that logic does not remove love, and if used properly, can be done to support love.
While i will admit that pushing the 'logic' argument too strongly does become unloving and relies more on human understanding than trusting God, your bf's heart may be in the right place, even if it's not going about it right?

You could even attempt to use logic to show him that he is resting on his own wisdom rather than Gods wisdom or spirit to be a witness. And, of course, this would be motivated by love.

Perhaps you could also try asking him questions that have little room for logical answers in an attempt to generate a conversation not based on logic.
Maybe you could do a bible study on faith (ignoring logic to trust in something that makes no sense to trust in). Believing God will act when there's no reason to believe He will. It may just be that he needs to have conversations geared on these things and away from logic topics, and point out that these are the things you need to hear more often.
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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When my boyfriend talks to me about Jesus sometimes it's hard for me to accept certain things he says because it sounds different to me. For example:

He says: You need to use logic when talking about Jesus to others

What I hear: Love doesn't matter
Wut?

JFSurvivor said:
So how can I talk to him about Jesus without hearing stuff like that.
Your perception is really up to you. It sounds as though you've had quite a roller coaster relationship with Him and now you struggle to make heads or tails of what you believe, let alone what others seem to believe. Perhaps you should focus on aligning yourself with your own faith and reasoning before you dive into others' theology.

JFSurvivor said:
Sorry I'm just a little nervous posting this...I have never really been this open about my struggles when it comes to God.
You've seemed very open since you came to this site. :)
 
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I just wanna hug u... im not experienced enough to offer u anything else

Yah. *bear hugs*

So good to hear you have God's love engraved on your heart. Nothing can separate that! No matter how much the devil or the world try to convince otherwise.

Sorry, I don't have a bf but if you let your light shine bright! Hopefully he see it and gets it.

"You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden."
[h=1]Romans 8:31-39[/h]
 

JFSurvivor

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Lol ok lemme clarify: my boyfriend is a Christian. He's learning scripture and is on fire for God. I can't talk to him because when he says stuff like "you need to use logic when telling people about Jesus" I hear, "love isn't important" and that is due to...my life so far. My head knows all the right stuff but my heart doesn't. So yeah.
 

JFSurvivor

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Yah. *bear hugs*

So good to hear you have God's love engraved on your heart. Nothing can separate that! No matter how much the devil or the world try to convince otherwise.

Sorry, I don't have a bf but if you let your light shine bright! Hopefully he see it and gets it.

"You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden."
[h=1]Romans 8:31-39[/h]
*hug* thank you.
 

JFSurvivor

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Wut?


Your perception is really up to you. It sounds as though you've had quite a roller coaster relationship with Him and now you struggle to make heads or tails of what you believe, let alone what others seem to believe. Perhaps you should focus on aligning yourself with your own faith and reasoning before you dive into others' theology.


You've seemed very open since you came to this site. :)
Yeah I've been open but I don't feel like I've ever been THIS open.

Also he was the one who starts these conversations about Jesus....I get confused and frusterated cuz of everything I explained.
 
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Lol ok lemme clarify: my boyfriend is a Christian. He's learning scripture and is on fire for God. I can't talk to him because when he says stuff like "you need to use logic when telling people about Jesus" I hear, "love isn't important" and that is due to...my life so far. My head knows all the right stuff but my heart doesn't. So yeah.
First of all, there are many ways to witness, it is true though, different tactics for different people is a great thing. Second of all, your relationship with Jesus is your own. Let God direct it, not anyone else. Third of all, God is love. Love comes from God. Jesus taught love. Everything about God's design is love, even in discipline we see in the OT, it is born out of love.
 
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One of the good things of you is HONESTY, survivor and that transparency is also seen by God and His angels. If He loves you taht way (He knows best) He will tell you what you need to know: Be pacient, please.
 
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Sounds like the young man has wisely discovered that most people need convincing.
You cannot force someone to believe.
They either believe or they do not.

There is rarely any point in saying to a mature, intelligent, educated, 21st Century person
"you should believe this by faith - cast all your logic and learning aside".

The very next day,a Mormon, a Roman Catholic or even a Muslim will tell him exactly the same thing - with just as much sincerity and conviction.
 
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I don´t know where I have left those tips I learned about GOD but one of those I like sharing it was when I needed a sign... It was a starry night I walked with Mónica and we both were in agreement, praying, and walking home... Two stars appeared (probably a sign like those maggi saw when they were led to meet Jesus in Bethlem). I never saw an UFO before but, the sign was instant and Mónica and I learned a lesson with it.

Some ppl have asked (and received) different responses, differing type of confirmations and I was one who torn several Bibles. One who "cursed" God (etc.) so He will show you the way He is... Meanwhile, learn from Jesus.

Mat 17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!"
 
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Lol ok lemme clarify: my boyfriend is a Christian. He's learning scripture and is on fire for God. I can't talk to him because when he says stuff like "you need to use logic when telling people about Jesus" I hear, "love isn't important" and that is due to...my life so far. My head knows all the right stuff but my heart doesn't. So yeah.
Jesus answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Sounds like maybe your bf has the "mind"/logic part by learning scripture and learning in general. So tell him this:

Your_Heart = 1;
Your_Soul = 1;
Your_Strength = 1;
Your_Mind = 1;

Your_love_for_God = Your_Heart X Your_Soul X Your_Strength X Your_Mind;

// which is like saying Your_love_for_God = 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 ... which should equal Your_love_for_God = 1;
// 1 here could mean "True" and say 0 means "False".
// if your boyfriend gets even one Zero in either Your_Mind, Your_Soul, Your_Strength or EVEN Your_Heart then the whole
// equation would be zero. e.g. Your_love_for_God = 0 X 1 X 1 X 1 = 0

If Your_love_for_God = 1
then Your_love_for_God = "inherit eternal life";
or else
Your_love_for_God = NOT "inherit eternal life";

Because the context on Luke 10:27 was: One day an expert in religious law stood up to test Jesus by asking him this question: "Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?" Luke 10:25

Soooo... basically, he needs "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; AND 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" .... to "Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life? .... to inherit eternal life.

Hope he can understand my logic.

Sorry, I'm such big nerd. :p
 
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JFSurvivor

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Jesus answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Sounds like maybe your bf has the "mind"/logic part by learning scripture and learning in general. So tell him this:

Your_Heart = 1;
Your_Soul = 1;
Your_Strength = 1;
Your_Mind = 1;

Your_love_for_God = Your_Heart X Your_Soul X Your_Strength X Your_Mind;

// which is like saying Your_love_for_God = 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 ... which should equal Your_love_for_God = 1;
// 1 here could mean "True" and say 0 means "False".
// if your boyfriend gets even one Zero in either Your_Mind, Your_Soul, Your_Strength or EVEN Your_Heart then the whole
// equation would be zero. e.g. Your_love_for_God = 0 X 1 X 1 X 1 = 0

If Your_love_for_God = 1
then Your_love_for_God = "inherit eternal life";
or else
Your_love_for_God = NOT "inherit eternal life";

Because the context on Luke 10:27 was: One day an expert in religious law stood up to test Jesus by asking him this question: "Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?" Luke 10:25

Soooo... basically, he needs "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; AND 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" .... to "Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life? .... to inherit eternal life.

Sorry, I'm such big nerd. :p
um...yeah...can you please explain all that without the math please?
 
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um...yeah...can you please explain all that without the math please?

Sure, he just need both heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind. Not just the mind/logic.

 
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Sure, he just need both heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind. Not just the mind/logic.

But honestly, I find it personally draining talking to logical people(especially my brother!) about God. Because God is bigger than just logic, it also requires faith.. which can not be quantify... That I know anyway.