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Attitudes like this are what cause people to grow up and hate God. Your distorted, sadistic view of "discipline" borders on illegal. And is cruel. Shame is a tool of the devil and it often does more to reinforce bad behavior. It's disgusting that you call yourself a Christian then promote this garbage.
Amen well said.
 
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What evidence do you have that "a great many believers will disagree with me" that your earlier demanding post is not based upon facts, but is rather based upon your own opinion ? ... How can you speak for so many other believers when you are only one man ? ... I interpret scripture "as it is written" ... I do not pretend to be God myself nor attempt to mimic His behavior ... I believe you are entering into dangerous territory when you attempt to do that ... Your philosophy regarding the discipline of children is not supported anywhere within the Bible ... Yet, you typed your philosophy as if it were fact for the entire forum to see ... Telling others what they "should" and "should not" do with their children ... All the while, there was no scripture in the Bible to support your claims whatsoever ... I believe there are a great deal of believers that would disagree with that type of behavior ...
 
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last post directed to MarcR ...
 
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Attitudes like this are what cause people to grow up and hate God. Your distorted, sadistic view of "discipline" borders on illegal. And is cruel. Shame is a tool of the devil and it often does more to reinforce bad behavior. It's disgusting that you call yourself a Christian then promote this garbage.
I am glad to see that I am not the only one to view MarcR's post as ridiculous and completely unsupported by the Bible ... Sounds rather ritualistic and of some sort of cult nature rather than being predicated upon any biblical principles ...
Yeah those posts border along the lines between "creepy" and "pedophile" I mean I know some parents spank children "bare bottom" but stripping them naked then spanking... it gives me the creeps,and I don't get creeped out easily...
 

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What evidence do you have that "a great many believers will disagree with me" that your earlier demanding post is not based upon facts, but is rather based upon your own opinion ? ... How can you speak for so many other believers when you are only one man ? ... I interpret scripture "as it is written" ... I do not pretend to be God myself nor attempt to mimic His behavior ... I believe you are entering into dangerous territory when you attempt to do that ... Your philosophy regarding the discipline of children is not supported anywhere within the Bible ... Yet, you typed your philosophy as if it were fact for the entire forum to see ... Telling others what they "should" and "should not" do with their children ... All the while, there was no scripture in the Bible to support your claims whatsoever ... I believe there are a great deal of believers that would disagree with that type of behavior ...
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I don't want to appear boastful because I don't like people who are and don't want to see that in myself!

However I do want to try to answer your question.

The number of likes and rep comments I receive seems like a realistic indicator of whether people think like I do.
 
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Those likes you are referring to were for other posts you made MarcR ... They were not for the post you recently made regarding the discipline of children, which was entirely unsupported by the Bible ... You cannot rest upon past stances to assume those people would agree with your most recent stance ... That is also a false philosophy ... Simply because people agreed with other stances that you took in the past is not any indicator that they will agree with just anything you decide to post ...
 
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As a matter of fact MarcR, on your most recent posting regarding your philosophy on the discipline of children there are currently zero likes according to what I am seeing ... I believe that is a better indicator of how many people are agreeing with that post than anything that has happened in the past ...
 

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As a matter of fact MarcR, on your most recent posting regarding your philosophy on the discipline of children there are currently zero likes according to what I am seeing ... I believe that is a better indicator of how many people are agreeing with that post than anything that has happened in the past ...
That is an indication that most forum members are currently offline.
 

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As a matter of fact MarcR, on your most recent posting regarding your philosophy on the discipline of children there are currently zero likes according to what I am seeing ... I believe that is a better indicator of how many people are agreeing with that post than anything that has happened in the past ...
Hmmm...At one point everyone forsook Jesus but the twelve.

Dangerous habit focusing on that feature.
 

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Hmmm...At one point everyone forsook Jesus but the twelve.

Dangerous habit focusing on that feature.
And if the Holy Writ is any indicator and it is. The Majority of "professing" believers have always been the ones that were led astray.
 

MarcR

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Attitudes like this are what cause people to grow up and hate God. Your distorted, sadistic view of "discipline" borders on illegal. And is cruel. Shame is a tool of the devil and it often does more to reinforce bad behavior. It's disgusting that you call yourself a Christian then promote this garbage.
We agree far more often than we disagree. I think you are missing my point.

In any case My daughter is a happy well adjusted adult in her 40s and was never harmed by it.

She is an effective soul winner as well as a respected person in her field of employment.

She led her first person to the Lord at age 6 and has been an effective soul winner ever since.

She needed very few spankings on her path to adulthood and never resented the few she received
 
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Nothing dangerous about telling someone that their posting is in no way substantiated by the Bible, when that is clearly a truth ... Truth is always to be spoken in an effort to help another's understanding ... In no way have I claimed all the posts MarcR has made are incorrect ... He may have been right many times ... I simply have pointed to the fact that he was not correct in that posting as his philosophy has no support whatsoever from the good book ... And that is the truth ...
 

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Thank you for finally admitting that your philosophy is your own opinion and not any fact supported by the Bible ... In your earlier post you stated a child "should" be told this and that ... And stated this and that "should" be done ... In all you used the word "should" at least seven times regarding the discipline of children, while all the time this is only your opinion ... You never once stated "I believe this is the way it is to be done" or "this is my opinion" ... Instead you stated all of this to the entire forum as if it were fact when it is not factual at all ... That is my point here ... You should not be stating things as fact according to the Bible when those ideas are coming from your own mind ...
It is the nature of a forum to express opinions; hopefully with a Scriptural rationale to support them.

There are 4 messages you are or ought to be trying to teach:


1) Jesus suffered pain and embarrassment so that He could forgive your sin.

2) What you did wrong is already forgiven.

3) It is my job to help you remember to do right.

4) I love you and I believe this is the best way to do my job.

Of these 4 messages the first 3 have obvious Scriptural support; and the 4th naturally follows from the other 3.

copied from post 106.
 

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Originally Posted by Pontiac

As a matter of fact MarcR, on your most recent posting regarding your philosophy on the discipline of children there are currently zero likes according to what I am seeing ... I believe that is a better indicator of how many people are agreeing with that post than anything that has happened in the past ...
Originally Posted by lightbearer

Hmmm...At one point everyone forsook Jesus but the twelve.


Dangerous habit focusing on that feature.
And if the Holy Writ is any indicator and it is. The Majority of "professing" believers have always been the ones that were led astray.
Nothing dangerous about telling someone that their posting is in no way substantiated by the Bible, when that is clearly a truth .....
The point of the post to which you responded was focusing on the like feature as indicator that one is one with the SPIRIT or GOD.

Sorry if you misunderstood.

Our focus should always be HIM; the Way, the Truth, and the Life regardless how many likes we receive.
 
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Those likes you are referring to were for other posts you made MarcR ... They were not for the post you recently made regarding the discipline of children, which was entirely unsupported by the Bible ... You cannot rest upon past stances to assume those people would agree with your most recent stance ... That is also a false philosophy ... Simply because people agreed with other stances that you took in the past is not any indicator that they will agree with just anything you decide to post ...
I certainly agree. Even if nobody agrees with me ; the results and life attitudes that resulted from my approach vindicate my decision.
 
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MarcR, I do not believe your number (2) above has the support of the Bible ... All sin is not automatically forgiven in the Bible as soon as it has been committed ... There are certain requirements that must be met first and foremost ... Such as a belief in Jesus Christ and also the "asking" for forgiveness ... This is what is said in the scripture within my Bible ...
 

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Discipline is instruction. Discipline is NOT and SHOULD NEVER BE punishment; or ROM 8:1 has NO MEANING.

Spanking is and will continue to be a valid disciplinary technique.

It should be employed to help a child remember to do right NOT to punish wrong doing.

ONLY after acceptable behavior has been clearly defined and explained.

If a child is able to read he/she should be instructed to read this passage; otherwise it should be read to him/her.

It should be explained that the wrongdoing is already forgiven and that the coming spanking is to help the child remember to do right.

The child should be reminded that Jesus was stripped naked in front of a hostile crowd and beaten beyond recognition to forgive your bad behavior.

The child should be told: You will be stripped naked and get a mild spanking in front of one person who loves you and wants the best for you.

The child should be told: "If you think about your embarrassment and your pain the spanking will be an unpleasant experience that will not help you; but if you think about Jesus' embarrassment and His pain, the spanking will truly help you remember to do right.

then regardless of the seriousness of the offense:

The child should then be totally disrobed and spanked 3 swats on each buttock hard enough to sting but not hard enough to injure.

The child should then be reminded of your love and forgiveness.


I'm not trying to critique other parents' disciplinary techniques! I'm trying to suggest a method that makes a child aware of what Jesus did for him/her and His forgiveness; while correcting bad behavior
Im sorry but I am really questioning your mental health now. You are willing to not just break the spirit of a child but also to utterly put them to shame...i have no words for someone being sadistic like that
I could see something like that in sects but not as true God loving christians.
I am not an enemy of spanking. But I am an enemy of abuse and people who harden the hearts of children by such and calling it discipline

U can not remind a child of love and then tell em they will be stripped naked etc like the son of God. He was stripped naked and punished for us and not for us to preach it to come upon us... what is wrong with u
 
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MarcR, I do not believe your number (2) above has the support of the Bible ... All sin is not automatically forgiven in the Bible as soon as it has been committed ... There are certain requirements that must be met first and foremost ... Such as a belief in Jesus Christ and also the "asking" for forgiveness ... This is what is said in the scripture within my Bible ...

Since Jesus died to take away the sin of the world John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
KJV

All sin was forgiven and paid or on the cross. What is not automatic is that each person must individually acknowledge Jesus as Lord (owner) and Savior to benefit from that forgiveness. Lord (owner) both by right of creation and by right of redemption.
 
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And Marc, mere "results" are not said to vindicate anything ... God has supplied certain instructions for man to follow ... I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God says those rules can be broken if the "results" are pleasing ... Since you are now claiming that "results" are more important than the word of God, can you please show me that in the scripture ... And also you did not simply claim this to be "your approach" in the beginning ... In the beginning, you claimed your philosophy towards disciplining a child "should be" everyone's approach ...
 

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And Marc, mere "results" are not said to vindicate anything ... God has supplied certain instructions for man to follow ... I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God says those rules can be broken if the "results" are pleasing ... Since you are now claiming that "results" are more important than the word of God, can you please show me that in the scripture ... And also you did not simply claim this to be "your approach" in the beginning ... In the beginning, you claimed your philosophy towards disciplining a child "should be" everyone's approach ...
I do believe that both on what I believe to be scriptural soundness and observed effectiveness.