considering the military

[kaylagrl]

John 18:36
Our King is not of this world.
Would a picture of Jesus Christ saying the pledge of allegiance not be blasphemous?

And the entire story of the Israelites (before Saul, you know, before everything started going downhill) was the story of an anarchist society.

Jesus kingdom is not of this world. While we're here we are told to obey those leaders over us and give to Caesar what belongs to him.

 

[overthechill]

Do you know this firsthand based on your own military experience?

What bushidoo said is fact, and just because were 20 somethings does not mean our views are wrong just because we are young....unlike other people in our generation we think for ourself and do not accept everything at face value...

What he has said is fact...everytime the economy goes down there is magically a boogey man enemy to make an excuse to go to war and war stimulates the economy....the goal of war is two fold: economic and population reduction.... they are always the reason to go to war if you look under the mask of patriotism and all that artificial junk that people are brainwashed into believing when the leaders and corporations don't give a damn about the people and use them as human resources to achieve their ends....

I applaud Bushido as a fellow brother in Christ that thinks for himself...that is the best attribute a person could have today and sadly one that is lacking from a lot of people my age....

If you don't believe me google a chart of economic depressions and war and you will find very close to each "recession" there is suddenly a war to stimulate the economy back to life again....this is not true for all wars but a vast majority of them are financial in nature but the masses are fed the propaganda that the enemy is out to get them when there really is none or the threat is embellished to be greater than it is....

This question literally makes no sense.

If I were arguing about why it's bad to rape people would you ask me "Do you know this firsthand based on your own experience as a rapist?" ?

Because that's what you just did.



Lol first of all, I love how you mentioned the last 2 legitimate wars we fought....over half a century ago...to try and prove your point. Please, explain to me how any of the Middle Eastern wars between the war in Afghanistan and the war in Syria have been for American liberty. Explain to me how killing members of ISIS (a group that really has yet to do more damage to America than a high school mass shooter) on the other side of planet is preserving our rights to freely speak or carry arms.
I'll save you the time, there is no correlation between freedom and killing people on the other side of the planet. In fact, we are STILL losing our rights to free speech and bear arms, so either U.S. soldiers aren't killing enough people to preserve our rights or that's not really how it works.



How isn't that? How in the world would you justify us sticking our noses in the Middle East? Why haven't we done anything for Darfur?



I do love the classic "If you don't like your playground bully then go to another playground"

No. First of all, governments don't have a right to exist, let alone exert authority over others. There's a difference between loving the land you live on, and loving your baby-killing government. Yet another lie that "patriots" tell you.

How about if you don't like living peacefully among the Native Americans, you move back to Europe?

Mr. Tourist - I wouldn't waste too much of my time arguing. Our generation was taught that children were to be seen and not heard. Some of this new generation seems like they're trying to make up for it.

I went in the Navy in 1970 mainly because I didn't want to get drafted. It turned out to be an ok experience and there's plenty of opportunity to build on a good Christian faith. The bible tells us to respect our leaders bc they'll have their own accounting and it isn't up to me - Hebrews 13:17.

 

[Dude653]

let's just get rid of military. that's a great idea. come on terrorists,keep killing our people. we'll just all hold hands and sing Kumbaya

 

[Dude653]

The students in Kenya..... what did I do wrong.... how many more people have to die before liberals realize that Islam has a violence problem. ..

 

[tourist]

Exactly! More specifically, an Anarcho-Capitalist society (or Agorism, w/e).

The Art of Not Being Governed - Relentless. Liberty.

Heck, I would even take an Anarcho-Communist society over a Federal Republic (what the US is)

Maybe you should consider relocating to China. Of course, you wouldn't be free to post anything expressing your opinion.

 

[Bushido8000]

Maybe you should consider relocating to China. Of course, you wouldn't be free to post anything expressing your opinion.

You're right, I should just accept the corrupted freedom I DO have. Just like those whiny Jews should have just accepted what freedom they DID have in Germany, right?

let's just get rid of military. that's a great idea. come on terrorists,keep killing our people. we'll just all hold hands and sing Kumbaya

In an Anarchist society WE would be the military. You could actually use that rusty AR you have in your closet and live with the consequences of killing people instead of getting others to do your dirty work. An Anarchist society would most likely consist of scattered guerrilla units, you know, like the ones in Afghanistan that defeated both RUSSIA AND THE U.S.? THE TWO MOST POWERFUL COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD?

Jesus kingdom is not of this world. While we're here we are told to obey those leaders over us and give to Caesar what belongs to him.

You're talking about a letter written to the Romans about Rome. You do realize that if you stand by what you are claiming that you would be against the U.S. and its citizens for not obeying the leaders of England...right?

 

[Ultimatum77]

Mr. Tourist - I wouldn't waste too much of my time arguing. Our generation was taught that children were to be seen and not heard. Some of this new generation seems like they're trying to make up for it.

I went in the Navy in 1970 mainly because I didn't want to get drafted. It turned out to be an ok experience and there's plenty of opportunity to build on a good Christian faith. The bible tells us to respect our leaders bc they'll have their own accounting and it isn't up to me - Hebrews 13:17.

Perhaps you are child-like to refer to bushido and myself as children just b/c we don't agree with your outdated view of the military. Why refer to us in the third person? Are we not worth addressing head-on?...We have just as much right to voice our opinions and it is hypocritical of you to say that when your generation was the one with anti-war protests and hippie culture....they were real quiet....oh wait NOT! Except for the anarchy part which i disagree with, bushidoo has spoken the truth about your so called freedoms.....you need to wake up to the reality that you live in a soft police state....

 

[GrumpyCrumpet]

Most of this thread still sounds like a bad re-run of an Alex Jones broadcast or some goofy thread on one of the lunatic fringe websites.

That's why people don't take 20-somethings seriously. It's impossible to trust you to change the world when you haven't gained enough life experience to have done anything worth having an opinion about.

 

[kaylagrl]

You're right, I should just accept the corrupted freedom I DO have. Just like those whiny Jews should have just accepted what freedom they DID have in Germany, right?



In an Anarchist society WE would be the military. You could actually use that rusty AR you have in your closet and live with the consequences of killing people instead of getting others to do your dirty work. An Anarchist society would most likely consist of scattered guerrilla units, you know, like the ones in Afghanistan that defeated both RUSSIA AND THE U.S.? THE TWO MOST POWERFUL COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD?



You're talking about a letter written to the Romans about Rome. You do realize that if you stand by what you are claiming that you would be against the U.S. and its citizens for not obeying the leaders of England...right?

Quote "You're talking about a letter written to the Romans about Rome. You do realize that if you stand by what you are claiming that you would be against the U.S. and its citizens for not obeying the leaders of England...right?"

That was religious freedom,a totally different matter. I dont believe in obeying corrupt leaders in this country or any other.If corruption is found root it out. Gov't for the people,by the people,not the other way round.

I'm Canadian actually,we're under the Queen so its only you Yanks that disobeyed

 

[Ultimatum77]

Most of this thread still sounds like a bad re-run of an Alex Jones broadcast or some goofy thread on one of the lunatic fringe websites.

That's why people don't take 20-somethings seriously. It's impossible to trust you to change the world when you haven't gained enough life experience to have done anything worth having an opinion about.

And with all your life experience has your generation changed anything???......nope same old status quo of war mongering for corporate profit been going on since after WW2 as bushhido said.....since post-1945 nothing has changed....just the same playbook with different players executing it....

The truth is nothing will change no matter what any generation tries because the whole system is corrupt from the top down....the only solution may be as Bushido says even though I do not like the thought of it....b/c the systems won't change until they are forced to crumble through an uprising....

 

[GrumpyCrumpet]

And with all your life experience has your generation changed anything???......nope same old status quo of war mongering for corporate profit been going on since after WW2 as bushhido said.....since post-1945 nothing has changed....just the same playbook with different players executing it....

The truth is nothing will change no matter what any generation tries because the whole system is corrupt from the top down....the only solution may be as Bushido says even though I do not like the thought of it....b/c the systems won't change until they are forced to crumble through an uprising....

The difference between myself and you two post-teenagers, is I'm not in this thread tearing down the government, the military, and every structure of modern society. I stated that your babbling sounds like the crap that spills out of the cheeseburger disposal of Alex Jones.

If either of you would put forth 1% of the effort to change things as you do to sit here on-line griping, then things would change and people your own age and older than you might star taking you seriously. Until then, you're entertaining to watch like the shows where guys hit themselves in the crotch or fall off ladders.

Please continue with all the espousing of the info you've gleaned from your multiple watchings of "Zeitgeist, The Movie". Don't let me get in the way. Please get on your soapbox and educate all of us.

We're waiting...

 

[Ultimatum77]

The difference between myself and you two post-teenagers, is I'm not in this thread tearing down the government, the military, and every structure of modern society. I stated that your babbling sounds like the crap that spills out of the cheeseburger disposal of Alex Jones.

If either of you would put forth 1% of the effort to change things as you do to sit here on-line griping, then things would change and people your own age and older than you might star taking you seriously. Until then, you're entertaining to watch like the shows where guys hit themselves in the crotch or fall off ladders.

Please continue with all the espousing of the info you've gleaned from your multiple watchings of "Zeitgeist, The Movie". Don't let me get in the way. Please get on your soapbox and educate all of us.

We're waiting...

Ah yes the old tactic of passing the buck.....unfortunately I am not from your country so I can't help you with that but I do applaud those like Bushido who believe in fighting for true freedom. I suggest you read at least from this guy...he's not a teenager as you would say (he's 65 or so)

Money Velocity Proves Q.E. Failure

And one of the smartest men I have ever listened to and read his articles....a true economist and good with real political news as well not the garbage MSM tells you.

Also your only 13yrs older than me so calling me a teenager is really lame on your part...and notice you are the only one who is resorting to labeling/name-calling others who disagree with you. I don't care if you disagree with me but I won't resort to those low level tactics...

Triggers in USDollar Collapse

9/11 Memory: Fascism & Gold


At least read these even if you disagree, they all point to the problems with your government....Whether you choose to believe it or drink the MSM kool-aid is all up to you...I really don't care Enjoy the reading!

 

[GrumpyCrumpet]

You didn't seriously dig up conspiracy theories, did you?

Not that you or the other kid had any credibility before, but now I know both of you are totally off the rails. It's not even fun poking you two with sticks. I was expecting more entertainment out of a couple of youngsters with their lofty ideas and the fact they somehow know so much more than everyone else.

 

[Ultimatum77]

You didn't seriously dig up conspiracy theories, did you?

Not that you or the other kid had any credibility before, but now I know both of you are totally off the rails. It's not even fun poking you two with sticks. I was expecting more entertainment out of a couple of youngsters with their lofty ideas and the fact they somehow know so much more than everyone else.

That's nice! {slow clap} whether you believe or not in conspiracy theories is not a problem....the truth is your country is on the brink of economic collapse and is being buffered with QE aka quantitative easing (money printing) and not backed by any real wealth....when the Chinese Yuan joins the SDR special drawing rights (world currency basket) in October you will realize too late that the dollar is worthless and artificially pumped up.... and that is no conspiracy theory but an economic fact....

 

[GrumpyCrumpet]

That's nice! {slow clap} whether you believe or not in conspiracy theories is not a problem....the truth is your country is on the brink of economic collapse and is being buffered with QE aka quantitative easing (money printing) and not backed by any real wealth....when the Chinese Yuan joins the SDR special drawing rights (world currency basket) in October you will realize too late that the dollar is worthless and artificially pumped up.... and that is no conspiracy theory but an economic fact....

Yep...about as much fact as the lizard-people Illuminati running the NWO and having their DUMBs to hide out in when Nibiru causes the pole shift and they roll out Project Blue Beam with the help of HAARP.

LOL

 

[jennymae]

An ideal world wouldn't need the military. But this world isn't ideal, it is fallen. Let us pray for the armed forces that are securing our freedom.

 

[tourist]

let's just get rid of military. that's a great idea. come on terrorists,keep killing our people. we'll just all hold hands and sing Kumbaya

"and I'll try not to sing out of key."

 

[Depleted]

And with all your life experience has your generation changed anything???......nope same old status quo of war mongering for corporate profit been going on since after WW2 as bushhido said.....since post-1945 nothing has changed....just the same playbook with different players executing it....

The truth is nothing will change no matter what any generation tries because the whole system is corrupt from the top down....the only solution may be as Bushido says even though I do not like the thought of it....b/c the systems won't change until they are forced to crumble through an uprising....

Actually, his generation has changed stuff -- not to the good, but it's been changed. And yours?

 

[Ultimatum77]

Actually, his generation has changed stuff -- not to the good, but it's been changed. And yours?

Its not doing good at all just further tanking to hedonistic self-serving ways....as all civilizations usually end up....in decline....but there is hope for a few in every generation who are doing their best to serve Christ and resist the evil....

 

[overthechill]

Mr. Tourist - I wouldn't waste too much of my time arguing. Our generation was taught that children were to be seen and not heard. Some of this new generation seems like they're trying to make up for it.

I went in the Navy in 1970 mainly because I didn't want to get drafted. It turned out to be an ok experience and there's plenty of opportunity to build on a good Christian faith. The bible tells us to respect our leaders bc they'll have their own accounting and it isn't up to me - Hebrews 13:17.

Perhaps you are child-like to refer to bushido and myself as children just b/c we don't agree with your outdated view of the military. Why refer to us in the third person? Are we not worth addressing head-on?...We have just as much right to voice our opinions and it is hypocritical of you to say that when your generation was the one with anti-war protests and hippie culture....they were real quiet....oh wait NOT! Except for the anarchy part which i disagree with, bushidoo has spoken the truth about your so called freedoms.....you need to wake up to the reality that you live in a soft police state....

I'm not being hypocritical at all. I said we were taught as children to be seen and not heard (not that we learned anything). But what I implied was that you talk too much and I stand by that.