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And in no way whatsoever does it compare to noahs son looking at him naked, she didnt disrespect her dad on purpose or in any form by looking at the history.
Talking to her father I can see. It is not her place to tell her mother.

AND she had no right to look through his history. He had and has a right to privacy. His sins do not remove that right. He has fantasized in his heart and committed adultery, there is no denying that. However, if someone picked up your phone and began looking through your pictures or history, it would be an invasion of privacy. It would be sin, unethical, and wrong. Curiosity is not a defendable position here. Nor is the "need" to know. She is the daughter, and he is her father, sin or not.
 
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AND she had no right to look through his history. He had and has a right to privacy. His sins do not remove that right. He has fantasized in his heart and committed adultery, there is no denying that. However, if someone picked up your phone and began looking through your pictures or history, it would be an invasion of privacy. It would be sin, unethical, and wrong. Curiosity is not a defendable position here. Nor is the "need" to know. She is the daughter, and he is her father, sin or not.
How can accusing her of invading privacy possibly help? Whether she invaded his privacy is so not the real issue here.

Try to think about how YOU would feel if the discovery was regarding your own mother. Would my questioning you about how you found out allegedly hurtful information, very hurtful to you and other family members, be if any relevance at all? The issue of privacy is so moot in light of the much bigger issue she's asking advice for, imho.
 
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How can accusing her of invading privacy possibly help? Whether she invaded his privacy is so not the real issue here.

Try to think about how YOU would feel if the discovery was regarding your own mother. Would my questioning you about how you found out allegedly hurtful information, very hurtful to you and other family members, be if any relevance at all? The issue of privacy is so moot in light of the much bigger issue she's asking advice for, imho.
No, it cannot be moot.

Don't fill this with "bigger issue" fallacies. A wrong is not erased by the discovery of another wrong. That is the mindset of sensationalism. She must not only speak to her father on the fact of what she found, but also ask forgiveness for invading his privacy. She has sinned against her father by doing so. She has torn and wounded the relationship between her and her father as much as the knowledge she found has wounded the relationship.

She must ask forgiveness from him. And she must admit to him this private knowledge of hers. However, what is done with that information is between God and her father. She is not the head of this house, nor can she assume to be. A chance mistake was made worse by the curiosity of a hurt child. Now, she cannot see her father in the light that he is still her father, and that this sin does not change that. By investigating further, she broke the bond between the two. That bond must be reforged in the power of Christ and must begin with reconciliation. She must forgive, ask for forgiveness, and confront her father. However, the confrontation should not be one of ultimatums, for she has no right to make them.
 
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This is where you went wrong. First, do nothing, its not your business, nor your job to say anything. Also, you should not have looked in his history. This is equal to Noah's son who looked at his father's nakedness. You had no right to search or look further.
Noah was just drunk, not gay.

(Thank God)

 
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Talking to her father I can see. It is not her place to tell her mother.

AND she had no right to look through his history. He had and has a right to privacy. His sins do not remove that right. He has fantasized in his heart and committed adultery, there is no denying that. However, if someone picked up your phone and began looking through your pictures or history, it would be an invasion of privacy. It would be sin, unethical, and wrong. Curiosity is not a defendable position here. Nor is the "need" to know. She is the daughter, and he is her father, sin or not.
Its funny how all you got from her post was "privacy issues"
 

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Her father ASKED her to go through his history to find the recipe he wanted. If he didn't want her finding the porn, he would have found the recipe himself, imho.. maybe letting her find it is his way of asking for help with overcoming it, awkward as it may be..
 
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Talking to her father I can see. It is not her place to tell her mother.

AND she had no right to look through his history. He had and has a right to privacy. His sins do not remove that right. He has fantasized in his heart and committed adultery, there is no denying that. However, if someone picked up your phone and began looking through your pictures or history, it would be an invasion of privacy. It would be sin, unethical, and wrong. Curiosity is not a defendable position here. Nor is the "need" to know. She is the daughter, and he is her father, sin or not.
If I didn't look through his history that would not change the fact that I saw the searches without looking. I did not go looking for this information. I believe that most people in that position would do the same thing.
 
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You are judging him. If you are truly a Christian remember "judge not and you shall not be judged". Jesus said to those that were about to stone Mary Magdalene "Let those who are without sin cast the first stone". Say nothing to your mom and brother. Why are you willing to destroy the family. Pray and talk to your father the same as usual. It is between him and his God. If you tell your mother or brother it could destroy the family unit. Seek professional help. Talk to a Christian psychologist. It is understandable that you can't handle this emotionally by yourself but talk to a professional about it. Don't destroy the family.
In your previous quote you said he is probably doing this out of curiosity. That doesn't help anything or justify what he is doing. Secondly yes I am a Christian and I am not judging I am simply concerned about him and my entire family. Judging him has never been the goal or intent. Thirdly, I am not trying to destroy my family. My father is destroying my family by engaging in that. Seeing his searches is destroying the family because he put me in an awkward position. His porn is taking him away from putting time and effort into his relationship with his family. That is what is destroying my family, not me. Fourthly, God calls us to call each other out on sin. i don't know if that is the right move for me right now but we are to hold each other accountable.
 

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With God there are no accidents. Scripture does teach be sure your sins will find you out.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Hi, Brokengirl.

I actually determined to leave this forum for a while just a couple of days ago (my time is needed elsewhere), but I've been monitoring threads such as this one because there are some real life problems addressed therein and I wouldn't want to abandon anybody in their time of need.

Let's address this "privacy issue"...

Ephesians chapter 5

[1] Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
[2] And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
[3] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[4] Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[5] For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[6] Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[7] Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
[8] For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
[9] (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth):
[10] Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
[11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
[12] For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
[13] But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
[14] Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.


As a Christian or as one who has received "the light of the world", Jesus Christ (John 8:12), you actually do have a responsibility to REPROVE the unfruitful works of darkness...even if such "unfruitful works" have been "done of them IN SECRET". Yes, "all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light" or by those who belong to Christ, "the light of the world", "for whatsoever doth make manifest is light" or whatsoever brings those things which were formally "done in secret" out in the open or "makes them manifest" or known "IS LIGHT"...and NOT "darkness". IOW, don't let anybody here wrongfully condemn you or place any sort of unwarranted guilt trip or shame upon you as if you're the one who sinned here or don't let anybody here convince you that you're somehow of "the darkness" because you seek to "make manifest" something which was potentially sinfully done "IN SECRET". IF your father is guilty of the things which you believe that he may indeed be guilty of, THEN somebody needs to "make such manifest" FOR HIS OWN POTENTIAL GOOD...which leads me to the following question:

What is your own heart motive here?

The reason that I ask is because when I first read some comments here by another poster that you were "judging" your father, I was like, "Is this poster for real?!?" However, after rereading the following comments of your own...

Brokengirl said:
If you believe I am to say nothing, how do you suggest I deal with the obvious strain on our relationship, the heartache I have, the guilt, and the feeling that I'm lying to my mom and brother? What am I supposed to say when he asks why I'm not talking to him? Or what do I say when I go back to school and I stop calling him or don't answer his calls?
...I've reconsidered and thought that MAYBE this other poster is on to something. Look, we all sin at times and your father's sin, if he's truly guilty of the same, is no worse than any sin which you yourself might have committed during your own lifetime. In the same manner that you need God's forgiveness, mercy and grace, so does your father...so that needs to be your heart motivation...to help to bring your father to a place where he might receive the same from God. IOW, IF (I'm just asking...I don't know you) your heart attitude towards your father is one of contempt and you just want to "out him" as a wicked sinner, THEN the motives of your own heart are wrong. If, however, you're truly trying to HELP your father, then you really do need to do something. Going back to "those things which are done of them IN SECRET" (Ephesians 5:12) for a moment, Jesus said:

Luke chapter 12

[1] In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
[2] For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
[3] Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
[4] And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
[5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.


Whatever your father, you, I or anybody else has done "in secret" will ultimately "be revealed" or "be known" when we give accounts of our lives before Jesus Christ one day. NOW is the time to find forgiveness, mercy and grace for the same, via genuine repentance. IOW, if you just let this sit and do nothing, then it's still going to be brought to "the light" at a future time WHEN IT IS TOO LATE FOR YOUR FATHER TO BE HELPED. As such, I really believe that you need to do something...but you're obviously receiving different sorts of counsel in relation to what, exactly, that "something" ought to be.

I think that we all agree that you need to pray, so don't neglect that part.

Most of us agree that you need to say something...some believe that you should address your father alone, I've previously suggested speaking to your mother first, others have suggested a counselor or a trusted acquaintance or friend. Perhaps you should speak to your father first. I mean, Jesus did say:

Matthew chapter 18

[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
[17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Although the situation that Jesus described might not be an exact match to your own, He did say that we should go to the offending party "and tell him his fault between thee and him alone", so this may very well apply to your current situation. The two main reasons why I previously suggested speaking to your mom first are the following:

1. Seeing how the sin that your father might be guilty of is sexual in nature, I just thought it best and more appropriate for the same to be discussed with him from his own sexual partner, your mother, and not you, his daughter. To me, it still seems inappropriate for a daughter to be discussing sexual situations with her own father...unless the father is the one who is teaching about proper sexual relations for his child's own future marriage and to abstain from fornication prior to marriage, etc., etc.

2. Again, this whole thing could potentially blow up in your face in that your father might not only deny accessing the sites, but he could also potentially accuse you of seeking to slander him and that could also potentially strain your own relationship with your own mother if she were to side with your father against you in such a situation.

Anyhow, whoever you decide to confide in or confront, you should do something. Again, pray and ultimately do what you feel that the Lord Himself is leading you to do and guard your heart against contempt for your own father (I'm not going to answer his calls, I'm not going to call him, etc., etc.). Once more, his sin, assuming that he's guilty, is no worse than any sin which either you or I need forgiveness from ourselves...but such forgiveness does come as a direct result of genuine repentance and those of us who are of "the light" do have a duty before God to REPROVE those things which were done IN DARKNESS or IN SECRET.

Well, I hope that this helped a bit...
 
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In your previous quote you said he is probably doing this out of curiosity. That doesn't help anything or justify what he is doing. Secondly yes I am a Christian and I am not judging I am simply concerned about him and my entire family. Judging him has never been the goal or intent. Thirdly, I am not trying to destroy my family. My father is destroying my family by engaging in that. Seeing his searches is destroying the family because he put me in an awkward position. His porn is taking him away from putting time and effort into his relationship with his family. That is what is destroying my family, not me. Fourthly, God calls us to call each other out on sin. i don't know if that is the right move for me right now but we are to hold each other accountable.
Well, I must have been preparing my last response while you were posting this, so it seems as if you're already aware of some of the things which I addressed in my last post. Sorry for the overlap...
 
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this is what should have been done in the first place. whether mom is weak or strong, faithful or unfaithful, tell your mom right now if she doesn't know already.

not because you , nor her, are supposed to 'fix' things. because it's not something you're suppose to carry yourself - it's not your responsibility to 'fix' what has happened or to 'fix' your parents. pray, yes.

this should never have made it to the internet before telling your mom. and after telling her, pray, and drop it.
you were given bad advice in just this one thread. that is expected. ignore it.

remember this is a public forum / site/ open to the whole world. if this thread could be deleted, that would be very good. not as if to cover up anything.

but do first what you're supposed to do first. tell your mom. right now. right now.

and ask the moderators if this thread can be deleted. it wasn't wise to ask complete strangers what to do or to publicize something(that might or might not result in nothing) that could explode on you and your family without justice.


Being a mother of two daughters......I have this to say....this is my opinion.....
My young sister.....I know your trying to protect your mom......and as that is honorable...
it is not wise......this is your parents business.....if your mom finds out now or later ...the hurt
will still come.....but when she finds out that you have been dealing with this alone....
will hurt her more....give this to your mom ....as kind and loving as you can.....this is
her battle....if I was her....knowing my daughter is trying to handle this on her own...
would hurt me more than what you know.....your mother is not as breakable as you think...
first give this to God....then give it to your mom....to deal with her own marriage ......
with her knowing you know its embarrassing enough.....thinking your daughter can't come
to you.....or is hiding this from you....will hurt her more....
My pm is open for you.....this is not your battle.....give it back to whom it belongs......peace...jo
 
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This is a whole different ball game than Noah being naked. If this was any member of my family I would be very proactive about getting this thing handled....no matter the outcome. If I were you I would surround myself with some very wise council and then be in agreement with the steps you are advised to take. God loves obedience and agreement among his flock, that serves to glorify Him.
 
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I'm kind of surprised at how people are talking about "handling" this as if it's some serious issue that needs to be addressed immeidately. Whether or not dad watches porn, gay or otherwise is his business, and if anybody else's his wife's. I get that some of you, maybe all of you think it is wrong to watch porn, but that doesn't make it any less his choice of what he wants to do, or any more your business if that's what he chooses. Not to mention, that doesn't make him gay and doesn't mean he is cheating, or even thinking about cheating on his wife. For all we know, maybe he and his wife watch it together. It's their business.

Brokengirl, if this is bothering you and causing tension between you and your dad, go ahead and mention it to him. Be honest and tell him it bothered you. You can let him know you feel like it's wrong if you want. But out of respect for him, I would suggest not treating it as if you are telling him to stop, condemning him or judging him for it, or getting involved in his private life any more than you have by accident already.
 

Fenner

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Like Dan 58 said, please don't jump to conclusions. He may not even know it was there. Just mention that when you looked for a recipe that it came up and you cleared his history because you didn't think he'd want that on there. To be honest if my Mom got some kind of virus on her I Pad she'd have no clue and stuff like that could pop up. Like I said he might not now. No need to fret and if this is something he does look at it could be women, it might not be men, not that it make's it right, but he might not directly tell you and that's his choice.
 

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You know why do some make everything so difficult? Dan58 and other's who were posting sensible responses thank you. Not everyone and everything need's to be dragged out to 50 levels of Joel Olsteen. I don't agree with porn but if her father was looking, if and that's a big if until you know otherwise, I highly doubt he'd want his daughter to find it.
 

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Have you established that your father is activily looking at gay porn? The only way you can know for sure is if you ask him. You must speak to your father about what you saw and get his side of the story.

I told you in my earlier post that I had an Ipod that someone used to look at porn and I unwittingly knew it was there when I showed someone my Ipod.
 
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Hi, Brokengirl.

Although some here seem to be adverse to scriptural admonitions, I'll give another one, just the same. If you are planning on confronting your father directly, then I'd recommend that you consider the following first:

I Timothy chapter 5

[1] Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
[2] The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.

Those instructions were given by Paul to Timothy whom many believe to have been the pastor (I Timothy, II Timothy & Titus are regularly called "Pastoral epistles" in that they give instruction on how the house of God or church should be run, but it's not guaranteed that Timothy literally was a "pastor") of the church at Ephesus, but there is a general principle stated in what we just read which is namely this:

When it comes to a child addressing their father, they should "intreat" him and NOT "rebuke" him. Here is how the Greek lexicon defines this word which is here translated as "intreat":

Greek Lexicon :: G3870 (KJV)

  1. to call to one's side, call for, summon
  2. to address, speak to, (call to, call upon), which may be done in the way of exhortation, entreaty, comfort, instruction, etc.
  3. to admonish, exhort

  4. to beg, entreat, beseech
    1. to strive to appease by entreaty

  5. to console, to encourage and strengthen by consolation, to comfort
    1. to receive consolation, be comforted
  6. to encourage, strengthen
  7. exhorting and comforting and encouraging
  8. to instruct, teach
Here, too, is how the Greek lexicon defines the word which is here translated as "rebuke" (which is what you're NOT to do):

Greek Lexicon :: G1969 (KJV)

  1. to strike upon, beat upon
  2. to chastise with words, to chide, upbraid, rebuke
As such, if you decide to directly confront your father, then please make sure that you do so in a respectful and encouraging way and not in a sharp, chastising manner. God's kingdom is just that, a kingdom, and there is a delegated chain of command within the same and it really isn't a child's place to "rebuke" their parent. Similarly, even if you do tell your mother first, then, even then, she ought not "rebuke" your father either. In the wife's case, we read of the following type of instruction in regard to her own wayward husband:

I Peter chapter 3

[1] Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
[2] While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
[3] Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
[4] But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
[5] For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
[6] Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.


Seeing how the natural union between a husband and his wife was originally ordained by God to mirror the spiritual union between Christ, the Bridegroom, and His church, the bride (Ephesians 5:22-33), it's really no more the place of any wife to "rebuke" her own husband than it would be the place of the church, whom the wife represents, to somehow seek to "rebuke" Christ, Whom the husband represents. No, rather, any wife who has a husband who "obeys not the word" ought to try to "win" the same "without the word" or without a lot of scripture quoting, but rather by her own "chaste conversation (behavior...it's an Old English word) coupled with fear". If you do tell your mom of this ordeal, then she ought to pray for your dad and encourage him to seek God Himself or at least godly counsel from a pastor or such. Again, if we really want God to intervene in any given situation, then it's always best to seek to do things via His prescribed manner or way because He's not going to contradict Himself.

Anyhow, again, I hope that some of this is helpful.
 
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Jerimiah 6:14...."you can't heal a wound by saying it's not there.
 

Fenner

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You can confuse someone so much that it leaves them confused as to what to do.