Dangers of Feminism

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AgeofKnowledge

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I certainly agree with you that actual workers for Satan exist and are increasing in number biscuit; however, so are many honest souls who are just ignorant or misinformed. Whatever their state of conscience is with respect to God, they are diminishing or refusing to accept the fact that God carefully chose those He gave His revelation to not erring with respect to the person nor the message.

Feminists assert their unique unifying axis in everything they do including how they intepret the Bible. So feminists, due to their ideological axis, naturally seek to confront patriarchy in society, the church, and scripture.

Furthermore, feminist develop portraits of Jesus on the basis of their experiences of oppression which they use to illustrate the interaction between text and social context that characterizes feminist hermeneutics.

Their interest in the historical Jesus is different from scholars who are involved in the so-called quest of the historical Jesus. Feminists are not content to establish objective data to recover precisely what Jesus said and did. Rather they seek to insert their axis bias into the historical Jesus to leverage Jesus as a justification and tool for their political objectives.

What they do is challenge the assumption that academic training is the primary criterion for determining who is qualified to interpret the Bible. They seek to undermine the historical orthdox exegesis in genuine biblical scholarship because, they assert, it is a predominantly Caucasian, male guild whose training takes place in North American and European universities.

It's a fallicious position for them to take, of course, for the historical orthdox exegesis in genuine biblical scholarship is the historical orthodox exegesis in genuine biblical scholarship regardless of the who or where. And, "feminist theologians" are themselves not free from the charge of bias and elitism receiving their degrees and credentials primarily from North American and European universities in their bias ;).

Analogously, feminist theologians, usually are not oppressed economically. As a result, African-American women have developed an alternative to feminism, called “womanist theology,” which is in part a protest against the social and economic elitism of many feminist theologians.

Obviously, the vast majority of educated feminist elitists are not willing to make the transition from an educated elite who speak on behalf of the oppressed to an oppressed who give voice to their own alternative interpretations. They enjoy the elitism and wealth the world showers on them for reinventing Jesus and scripture to fit their ideological axis.

Furthermore, feminist theologians assert that no exegesis is neutral and that presuppositions that arise from a particular social context determine how a text is interpreted. This viewpoint challenges the assertion, held by evangelical exegetes, that a biblical author’s original intent is ascertainable and normative for today. Feminists view social context as important as the original text and do so from the viewpoint of their axis. That's disingenuous by definition and obviously not all interpretations that arise out of human experience are equally valid.

The criterion normally employed by "feminist theologians" to distinguish between correct and incorrect interpretations is whether an interpretation is oppressive (hence the hermeneutic of suspicion). But the notion of oppression or justice is vague and liable to countless varieties of definition.

Therefore, the challenge of avoiding pure subjectivism confronts feminist hermeneutics as well. A cogent hermeneutic that does not allow interpretation to dissipate into pure subjectivism requires a concerted global dialog about the meaning of Jesus for today. I would argue that to be genuine, it need conform to the historical orthdox exegesis in genuine biblical scholarship the consequence of which should be intuitive (e.g. interpretation adheres to the biblical text without respect to feminism as a worldview). ;).

All of that said, certainly the biblical study of women and gender is important and desirable. But approaching it with a modern feminist ideological axis is analogous to approaching an ice cream tasting with a giant heater. The inherent bias destroys exactly what you're trying to accomplish before you begin and leaves a real mess to clean up afterwards.


Satan has his disciples everywhere, especially the church. Again, I can't stress enough how important it is for the average churchgoer to be thoroughly knowlegeable in the scripture. BTW, did you know that there are feminist bibles authored by feminists? There is no limit as to what Satan will do to destroy mankind, especially the institution of marriage, created by God.
 

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Furthermore, feminist develop portraits of Jesus on the basis of their experiences of oppression which they use to illustrate the interaction between text and social context that characterizes feminist hermeneutics.
You make some really good points in your post. I'd like to comment here that a lot of the problem is perceived oppression. I imagine feminism does appeal to women have been mistreated by men or witnessed their mothers or other women mistreated my men. I can see how a philosophy that presents the idea of a big bad patriarchy would appeal to women who have suffered at the hands of men.

But I believe in a lot of cases, the 'oppression' is perceived rather than real. For example, some women would view inheriting property through the male line, men being the ones with the power to write divorce certificates, men only serving in the priesthood and offering sacrifices, men only fighting in war, daughters being given away in marriage by their fathers who receive a bride price, or men primarily being the rulers of a nation as 'oppression.' These things aren't oppression from a Biblical perspective. Almost all CEOs of publically traded companies being men and the majority of senators and legislators being men is not 'oppression' either. Feminist thought on this issue may be an example of a stronghold that needs to be brought down in their thinking.
 
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Biscuit,

I think your posts are too extreme, extreme about the way women are, especially the way American or non-foreign women are. You make too many blanket statements. Also, I haven't really listened to much the red-headed woman in the clip teaches, but some people who are in error are Christians who are in error and not 'disciples of Satan.' Paul wrote a lot in his epistles to correct error among genuine disciples of Christ.
Maybe I have been in the middle of these fights. Have the experience, education & info on the WLM and feminists. A subject that I studied for nearly 40 years. I don't see too many men objecting to my post except for you. What I have posted on CC, I posted on the secular boards and the women came out of the wood works to back me up. These conservative, religious women are well aware of what these feminists are capable of and many of them hate feminists more than some men do .... but many men are still in the dark 40 years later.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Forty years! This is off topic somewhat but if you have published anything, I genuinely would love to read it.


Maybe I have been in the middle of these fights. Have the experience, education & info on the WLM and feminists. A subject that I studied for nearly 40 years. I don't see too many men objecting to my post except for you. What I have posted on CC, I posted on the secular boards and the women came out of the wood works to back me up. These conservative, religious women are well aware of what these feminists are capable of and many of them hate feminists more than some men do .... but many men are still in the dark 40 years later.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Thank you. The problem with feminism though isn't so much the extent to which oppression is real or imagined but rather the epistemological lens through which they perceive everything. The hypocrisy is obvious. They attack orthodoxy claiming it to be materially biased to the point of failure if it doesn't align with their epistemology yet their very epistemology is materially biased to the point of failure. See the problem?

This poisons everything they produce to whatever degree that it, in reality, does. The disingenuity is obvious. It's not like these women are approaching information with any neutral point of view. They have a clear epistemology and agenda and everything they touch is altered by the first to conform to the second.

That's the problem I have with liberal feminism and specifically liberal feminist hermeneutics.

I support the goals of first-wave feminism. I support woman's studies. I support women's suffrage. I support, I support, I support... but I can't support that which isn't true, that which perverts, that which is disingenuous, etc...


You make some really good points in your post. I'd like to comment here that a lot of the problem is perceived oppression. I imagine feminism does appeal to women have been mistreated by men or witnessed their mothers or other women mistreated my men. I can see how a philosophy that presents the idea of a big bad patriarchy would appeal to women who have suffered at the hands of men.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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And happy international women's day. I feel that I can congratulate women on this simply because there is also an international men's day making this an issue lacking the typical asserted gender bias ;p
 
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Thank you for *like* Misty77 :)
 
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Thank you. The problem with feminism though isn't so much the extent to which oppression is real or imagined but rather the epistemological lens through which they perceive everything. The hypocrisy is obvious. They attack orthodoxy claiming it to be materially biased to the point of failure if it doesn't align with their epistemology yet their very epistemology is materially biased to the point of failure. See the problem?

This poisons everything they produce to whatever degree that it, in reality, does. The disingenuity is obvious. It's not like these women are approaching information with any neutral point of view. They have a clear epistemology and agenda and everything they touch is altered by the first to conform to the second.

That's the problem I have with liberal feminism and specifically liberal feminist hermeneutics.

I support the goals of first-wave feminism. I support woman's studies. I support women's suffrage. I support, I support, I support... but I can't support that which isn't true, that which perverts, that which is disingenuous, etc...

Well said!
 

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Woman is the New N-Word: The VIOLENT Face of COMPLIMENTARIANISM
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And this boys and girls is the perfect example of feminism infiltrating the church.
Refusing to obey the laws that God put in place for men and women is nothing more than satan doing his work. The woman in this video did nothing more than twist scripture to fit her feminist agenda. She has no clue was "exalting" is. Male leadership is what God ordained. What HE permitted. Male leadership doesn't make men more righteous than women. WE ARE SPIRITUALLY EQUAL!
Obviously she has an inferiority complex, and is angry with God. She is a radical and the only leading she is doing is of pure evil.

I cannot understand why people cannot grasp the concept that while spiritually we are EQUAL as Galatians said we are inherently, fundamentally, and irreconcilably different. You can't change it so stop trying! Feminism is guided by pride and greed. Woman that want more power are never satisfied. They want more and more because they cannot be happy within themselves and feel power will make them superior. This isn't about equality. It's about superiority, and how woman want to be above men. Why do feminists want a leadership role so much? The woman in this video compares leadership in the church to exalting oneself so obviously she feels that would make her more righteous which is completely against the Word of God. She wants to playing the victim role of the "oppressed woman" so she can manipulate and control others.
 
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Forty years! This is off topic somewhat but if you have published anything, I genuinely would love to read it.
Just a researcher with a degree in Sociology & History who became fascinated with the various Movements in the 60's: Women Liberation Movement, Civil Rights Movement ,The Black Power Movement & the anti-Vietnam War Movement. I was 15 y.o. living near NYC when these Movements sprung forward. Incredibly fascinating to see all these people in the streets with their bullhorns challenging the status quo. I guess at that time it was History in the making and I was a teen and in the center of it all.
 
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support the goals of first-wave feminism. I support woman's studies. I support women's suffrage. I support, I support, I support... but I can't support that which isn't true, that which perverts, that which is disingenuous, etc...

We both did AgeofKnowledge like millions of other men.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Indeed! I'm reading some of her "theology" and she's making some outright heretical statements. She obviously is not interested in the restoration of covenant mutuality in Jesus Christ. She's after something very different.

"In Christ the curse on marriage is lifted and complementarity restored (1 Cor. 11:11). The husband’s role of headship (1 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 5:23) and the wife’s role of submission are reaffirmed but radically altered. Submission becomes a mutual calling (Eph. 5:21), transforming male headship from authoritative control to responsible care.

Its paradigm is now modelled after the self-sacrificial death of Jesus for the church (Eph. 5:25–33); and its purpose is not to crush but to liberate. Submission on the part of the wife is transformed from servility and subordination to respect (Eph. 5:33) voluntarily given, and to ‘the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit’ (1 Pet. 3:4). In traditional patriarchy, the husband was a despot and the wife a virtual slave. In Christ-centred covenant mutuality, each complements the other in their transformed roles."

Ferguson, S. B., & Packer, J. (2000). New dictionary of theology (electronic ed.) (257–258). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

And this boys and girls is the perfect example of feminism infiltrating the church.
 
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biscuit

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I certainly agree with you that actual workers for Satan exist and are increasing in number biscuit; however, so are many honest souls who are just ignorant or misinformed. Whatever their state of conscience is with respect to God, they are diminishing or refusing to accept the fact that God carefully chose those He gave His revelation to not erring with respect to the person nor the message.

Feminists assert their unique unifying axis in everything they do including how they intepret the Bible. So feminists, due to their ideological axis, naturally seek to confront patriarchy in society, the church, and scripture.

Furthermore, feminist develop portraits of Jesus on the basis of their experiences of oppression which they use to illustrate the interaction between text and social context that characterizes feminist hermeneutics.

Their interest in the historical Jesus is different from scholars who are involved in the so-called quest of the historical Jesus. Feminists are not content to establish objective data to recover precisely what Jesus said and did. Rather they seek to insert their axis bias into the historical Jesus to leverage Jesus as a justification and tool for their political objectives.

What they do is challenge the assumption that academic training is the primary criterion for determining who is qualified to interpret the Bible. They seek to undermine the historical orthdox exegesis in genuine biblical scholarship because, they assert, it is a predominantly Caucasian, male guild whose training takes place in North American and European universities.

It's a fallicious position for them to take, of course, for the historical orthdox exegesis in genuine biblical scholarship is the historical orthodox exegesis in genuine biblical scholarship regardless of the who or where. And, "feminist theologians" are themselves not free from the charge of bias and elitism receiving their degrees and credentials primarily from North American and European universities in their bias ;).

Analogously, feminist theologians, usually are not oppressed economically. As a result, African-American women have developed an alternative to feminism, called “womanist theology,” which is in part a protest against the social and economic elitism of many feminist theologians.

Obviously, the vast majority of educated feminist elitists are not willing to make the transition from an educated elite who speak on behalf of the oppressed to an oppressed who give voice to their own alternative interpretations. They enjoy the elitism and wealth the world showers on them for reinventing Jesus and scripture to fit their ideological axis.

Furthermore, feminist theologians assert that no exegesis is neutral and that presuppositions that arise from a particular social context determine how a text is interpreted. This viewpoint challenges the assertion, held by evangelical exegetes, that a biblical author’s original intent is ascertainable and normative for today. Feminists view social context as important as the original text and do so from the viewpoint of their axis. That's disingenuous by definition and obviously not all interpretations that arise out of human experience are equally valid.

The criterion normally employed by "feminist theologians" to distinguish between correct and incorrect interpretations is whether an interpretation is oppressive (hence the hermeneutic of suspicion). But the notion of oppression or justice is vague and liable to countless varieties of definition.

Therefore, the challenge of avoiding pure subjectivism confronts feminist hermeneutics as well. A cogent hermeneutic that does not allow interpretation to dissipate into pure subjectivism requires a concerted global dialog about the meaning of Jesus for today. I would argue that to be genuine, it need conform to the historical orthdox exegesis in genuine biblical scholarship the consequence of which should be intuitive (e.g. interpretation adheres to the biblical text without respect to feminism as a worldview). ;).

All of that said, certainly the biblical study of women and gender is important and desirable. But approaching it with a modern feminist ideological axis is analogous to approaching an ice cream tasting with a giant heater. The inherent bias destroys exactly what you're trying to accomplish before you begin and leaves a real mess to clean up afterwards.
Excellent Post !!
 

Elizabeth619

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Indeed! I'm reading some of her "theology" and she's making some outright heretical statements. She obviously is not interested in the restoration of covenant mutuality in Jesus Christ. She's after something very different.

"In Christ the curse on marriage is lifted and complementarity restored (1 Cor. 11:11). The husband’s role of headship (1 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 5:23) and the wife’s role of submission are reaffirmed but radically altered. Submission becomes a mutual calling (Eph. 5:21), transforming male headship from authoritative control to responsible care.

Its paradigm is now modelled after the self-sacrificial death of Jesus for the church (Eph. 5:25–33); and its purpose is not to crush but to liberate. Submission on the part of the wife is transformed from servility and subordination to respect (Eph. 5:33) voluntarily given, and to ‘the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit’ (1 Pet. 3:4). In traditional patriarchy, the husband was a despot and the wife a virtual slave. In Christ-centred covenant mutuality, each complements the other in their transformed roles."

Ferguson, S. B., & Packer, J. (2000). New dictionary of theology (electronic ed.) (257–258). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.
She needs an exorcist.
 

Elizabeth619

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And don't even get me started on her makeup.,,,
 
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Tintin

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I always said demon posession ended in the first century. Now I'm not so sure...
No, there's a lot of demonic activity still and it's very out in the open in countries other than those in the Western World.
 
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WOW! Some of yall have called her a heretic, a false prophet, made fun of her makeup, insinuated she is possessed with demons, and 2 of yall admitted you did not listen to the video.

As far as her makeup goes, makeup is not unbiblical (Ezekiel 16:1-14). Do you attack all women who wear make up? Is it the actual colors she chose that you disprove of, and were you there watching how much she applied? Do you know what her skin looks like underneath? Do you know her scars? But that's not what this thread is about.

I sure hope you wouldn't treat Deborah this way. A leader of the army, prophet, and judge of Israel. Or Huldah. Or Sheerah. Or Phoebe.