Does a man OWN his family?
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Quote: WoW! Men used to literally OWN their families?
(I wonder how much they could get for them on the open market?)
Sales and rentals were usually not on the open market. But in medieval days, such things were common in times of economic distress. There are OT laws allowing for such things.
(I wonder how much they could get for them on the open market?)
Sales and rentals were usually not on the open market. But in medieval days, such things were common in times of economic distress. There are OT laws allowing for such things.
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when a husband leads by dying to self, and a wife submits the same way--happy marriage.
the buck does have to stop somewhere, though, yeah?
if an agreement can't be reached (I want to live in this town, not that one!), the husband must choose.
scripture is pretty clear on that.
my dad gave me good advice. he said people will tell you marriage is a 50/50 proposition.
i'm telling you it's 100/0.
if each person goes into it expecting to give all, and get nothing,
both will be happy.
expectations can crush a relationship.
no greater love, and so forth.
the buck does have to stop somewhere, though, yeah?
if an agreement can't be reached (I want to live in this town, not that one!), the husband must choose.
scripture is pretty clear on that.
my dad gave me good advice. he said people will tell you marriage is a 50/50 proposition.
i'm telling you it's 100/0.
if each person goes into it expecting to give all, and get nothing,
both will be happy.
expectations can crush a relationship.
no greater love, and so forth.
Immawildthing, There is a verse in the bible that says, "Submit yourselves (speaking of husband and wife) one to another in the fear of the Lord." So, all the submition really is to the Lord in reverence of his word. So, we're all, as christians, owned by the Lord, and he is a great Lord and Master worth submitting to. Jesus helps the home to stay in love, harmony and balance when we submit to him (his word). Jesus does own us because through his love we have been bought with the greatest price, the precious blood of Jesus; which is the greatest love there is! So, if we're submitting to his word which is love then we are loving one another not owning. Husbands and wives need to look at each other as gifts from the Lord and when someone gives you a gift you cherish and take care of it because it came from someones heart (Jesus').
I went through divorce, which in my case was Jesus delivering me from a controling man. When the divorce happened I told the Lord I don't understand? I did all that you asked me to and this has happened. The Lord's response was, "Daughter, you did things I didn't ask of you." Submitting in an unhealthy measure allows for abuse. I though I was submitting to the Lord to be the good, submissive wife I was suppose to be; the Lord showed me I allowed the abuse by unhealthy submission. So, what I learned through the divorce was: yes, Jesus loved my now ex-husband and wanted him saved, but Jesus loves me too.
I went through divorce, which in my case was Jesus delivering me from a controling man. When the divorce happened I told the Lord I don't understand? I did all that you asked me to and this has happened. The Lord's response was, "Daughter, you did things I didn't ask of you." Submitting in an unhealthy measure allows for abuse. I though I was submitting to the Lord to be the good, submissive wife I was suppose to be; the Lord showed me I allowed the abuse by unhealthy submission. So, what I learned through the divorce was: yes, Jesus loved my now ex-husband and wanted him saved, but Jesus loves me too.
my dad gave me good advice. he said people will tell you marriage is a 50/50 proposition.
i'm telling you it's 100/0.
if each person goes into it expecting to give all, and get nothing,
both will be happy.
expectations can crush a relationship.
no greater love, and so forth.
i'm telling you it's 100/0.
if each person goes into it expecting to give all, and get nothing,
both will be happy.
expectations can crush a relationship.
no greater love, and so forth.
R
A man should take responsibility for his family. But that doesn't mean he owns his family, because they all still have free will. He can't say, for example, "I'm going to tattoo my name on all my kids and my wife so that everyone will know they are my property".
I think it's sweet if a guy wants to be protective of his family and does so in a loving way. But I'd be wary of a man who had a possessive jealous mentality (the kind of jealous where he doesn't let his wife have any friends even if they are female and wants to isolate her and boss her around). Major red flags there.
I think for the sake of dangerous personality types who can take labels out of context and abuse them, I think it's safer to say no man should *own* his family.
But if he is so kind and loving and caring and wins the affections of his wife with his character and his actions, then in a way he has won her heart anyway. So why should ownership even matter at that point? She'll gladly submit.
Such a debate seems weird and confusing to me. But I guess everyone defines different words in different ways.
I think it's sweet if a guy wants to be protective of his family and does so in a loving way. But I'd be wary of a man who had a possessive jealous mentality (the kind of jealous where he doesn't let his wife have any friends even if they are female and wants to isolate her and boss her around). Major red flags there.
I think for the sake of dangerous personality types who can take labels out of context and abuse them, I think it's safer to say no man should *own* his family.
But if he is so kind and loving and caring and wins the affections of his wife with his character and his actions, then in a way he has won her heart anyway. So why should ownership even matter at that point?
She'll gladly submit.Such a debate seems weird and confusing to me. But I guess everyone defines different words in different ways.
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It' s not possible for one person to "own" another because we are already owned by the Lord. He paid a mighty price for us in blood. We don't even own ourselves. He will not allow another person to "lord it over us" either. If someone was trying to do that to me, I would pray, "Lord..this person is trying to take overyour place in my life, as my Lord and to sit on the throne of my heart, where you are!"
You can be sure the Lord will respond quickly to this, because the word says..he will not share his throne with another!
You are not your own;you were bought at a price.1 Corinthians 6:19-20.
In marriage between believers, the husband is to think of his wife the way Christ thinks of the church, to love her and give his life for her. She is also, his sister in the Lord and a child of the living God in her own right.
You can be sure the Lord will respond quickly to this, because the word says..he will not share his throne with another!
You are not your own;you were bought at a price.1 Corinthians 6:19-20.
In marriage between believers, the husband is to think of his wife the way Christ thinks of the church, to love her and give his life for her. She is also, his sister in the Lord and a child of the living God in her own right.
J
when a husband leads by dying to self, and a wife submits the same way--happy marriage.
the buck does have to stop somewhere, though, yeah?
if an agreement can't be reached (I want to live in this town, not that one!), the husband must choose.
scripture is pretty clear on that.
my dad gave me good advice. he said people will tell you marriage is a 50/50 proposition.
i'm telling you it's 100/0.
if each person goes into it expecting to give all, and get nothing,
both will be happy.
expectations can crush a relationship.
no greater love, and so forth.
the buck does have to stop somewhere, though, yeah?
if an agreement can't be reached (I want to live in this town, not that one!), the husband must choose.
scripture is pretty clear on that.
my dad gave me good advice. he said people will tell you marriage is a 50/50 proposition.
i'm telling you it's 100/0.
if each person goes into it expecting to give all, and get nothing,
both will be happy.
expectations can crush a relationship.
no greater love, and so forth.
T
WoW! Men used to literally OWN their families?
(I wonder how much they could get for them on the open market?)
(I wonder how much they could get for them on the open market?)
Christ's "ownership" of the church comes only through a heart set free. We, of the church, have a desire in our heart to obey and submit. There is no coercion on God's part, but a wooing, a winning of the heart. There is no other way to offer acceptable obedience.