Forty years (or so) of feminism. Has it changed the way woman view themselves? Has...
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Don't ever make dinner plans for a first date -- EVER!
Always meet for coffee first, and if things are going well then go out for dinner. Trust me!
Always meet for coffee first, and if things are going well then go out for dinner. Trust me!
Ha,that reminds me of a funny story. The first time my husband and I met we went to a restaurant a friend of our family owned. In his parking lot my father had parked our bus that we were planning to make road worthy for ministry. I had the keys and asked him if he wanted to see inside. He hesitated but said yes.He told me later he wasn't sure about going in the bus.He said he was thinking someone was going to knock him on the head and steal his wallet.He's from the city,he has trust issues.hahaha.
C
I would defenitely have a problem with it if a guy starts to say that a woman has to obey or that he is pro patriarchy. It says more than enough. And I would have a problem with it. My goodness gracious me, we don't have that here in Holland. I never see it. Maybe 300 years ago. Even my dad after he retired cleans up after my mom cooked and cleans up the house. One guy on another forum, an American, wanted a woman to stay at home, not work and then he'd just say: fix my sandwich! and expect her to do that. What?? Are you out of your mind? Oh and if his wife wanted a new dress or something he'd just work a day extra. What?? You seriously let your husband work extra for you to buy a nice something for yourself? I'm too Dutch. The feminism is ingrained totally in the culture. That would be the most unrespectful thing you could do, like someone is your dog. Fix my sandwich! Work a day extra!
C
I've looked up some things about feminism..and it seems to have a lot to do with equal rights which is fine. So men are well within their equal rights to stand up for themselves too. I have sons and the funny thing about my oldest is that he is strict with women but they seem to flock to him even more..all I can say is I like a strong minded man who won't cave into my every wish and command..but I wouldn't want him abusing or disrespecting me either and I can make my own money and open doors for myself..
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There's a big difference between feminism and equality! There is no logical reason why a woman should earn less for doing the same job as a man providing she does it as well. BUT a woman's rights in society are very different from feminism - to me feminism is not a positive thing at all, it is because of feminism that women have lost out in society. This manifests itself most glaringly in relationships where men no longer act like gentlemen - even if they want to they are largely fearful of doing so. Men expect sex without any kind of commitment and you can't really blame them when it's largely on offer. Good for the man - for the woman not so much. Feminism has done much for men but very little for women who are these days treated by men as drinking buddies rather than something to be loved and cherished. Of course I am speaking generally, there are always exceptions! Christian men are often exceptions to the rule. Incidentally regarding equal rights in the workplace...I do not believe it is right for women in sport, such as tennis players to be awarded the same prize money as men whilst playing fewer sets. Equality works both ways!
I don't believe most Christian women want to be viewed differently than they were say 50-60 years ago when all women had a preconceived role mapped out for them, this role originated in sound Biblical teaching and it is the role God had for women; supportive of her husband, keeper of the home and teacher of the children. Christian women want to be respected by men. I believe that secular women are happy with the way things are now and would hate the very things Christian women want.
As someone else said; feminism is of the enemy, it has served to break down the family unit, the very thing God had planned for us and which He holds so dear. It has made women discontent with her role in society
I don't believe most Christian women want to be viewed differently than they were say 50-60 years ago when all women had a preconceived role mapped out for them, this role originated in sound Biblical teaching and it is the role God had for women; supportive of her husband, keeper of the home and teacher of the children. Christian women want to be respected by men. I believe that secular women are happy with the way things are now and would hate the very things Christian women want.
As someone else said; feminism is of the enemy, it has served to break down the family unit, the very thing God had planned for us and which He holds so dear. It has made women discontent with her role in society
I am kind to my wife and not domineering. I don't want my boss wherever I work to be that way toward me, and I don't want to sow that sort of thing.
But it is proper for a wife to obey her husband. In I Peter 3, Peter exhorts wives to submit to their husbands as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him 'lord.'
And patriarchy is a good thing. Or rather, there is a good, divine form of patriarchy. God is the Father, and He is over the universe, all creation. The universe is patriarchal, with God, the Father, as ruler over all. There are also plenty of patriarchal laws in the Old Testament, like God having land passed through the male line, or God allowing men to cancel their wives and daughters vows without any of them incurring guilt. If he waited too long to cancel the vow, he would be guilty, not her. Isaiah laments women ruling the people, or young rulers oppressing them.
It's rather foolish to think that just because feminism is a popular philosophy nowadays that God must be in favor of it.
But it is proper for a wife to obey her husband. In I Peter 3, Peter exhorts wives to submit to their husbands as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him 'lord.'
And patriarchy is a good thing. Or rather, there is a good, divine form of patriarchy. God is the Father, and He is over the universe, all creation. The universe is patriarchal, with God, the Father, as ruler over all. There are also plenty of patriarchal laws in the Old Testament, like God having land passed through the male line, or God allowing men to cancel their wives and daughters vows without any of them incurring guilt. If he waited too long to cancel the vow, he would be guilty, not her. Isaiah laments women ruling the people, or young rulers oppressing them.
It's rather foolish to think that just because feminism is a popular philosophy nowadays that God must be in favor of it.
That's just sad to me. I mean, she's staying home, and she just fixes him a sandwich? If it's a really, really good sandwich, like some kind of steak and cheese thing, maybe that's okay. But lunch meat on Wonderbread with mayo.. that's sad.
My wife has spent much of our marriage as a stay-at-home wife, and then mother. And she cooks awesome food: Indonesian curries, Chinese food, Thai food, Korean food, and some American favorites. I don't boss her around and tell her to cook, either. She's responsible and just takes care of things. On occasion, I've had to cook the meals, and it does require skill and planning with the shopping. Meals I cook are nothing like hers. (Pasta with canned sauce verses curries from scratch.) I really do appreciate it. Of course, she enjoys cooking and likes improving her skills.
But it does seem kind of silly to me, from my frame of reference, that if a man wants to marry a woman who wants to stay home and take care of the family, that his vision is to have someone who makes him a sandwich.
My wife has spent much of our marriage as a stay-at-home wife, and then mother. And she cooks awesome food: Indonesian curries, Chinese food, Thai food, Korean food, and some American favorites. I don't boss her around and tell her to cook, either. She's responsible and just takes care of things. On occasion, I've had to cook the meals, and it does require skill and planning with the shopping. Meals I cook are nothing like hers. (Pasta with canned sauce verses curries from scratch.) I really do appreciate it. Of course, she enjoys cooking and likes improving her skills.
But it does seem kind of silly to me, from my frame of reference, that if a man wants to marry a woman who wants to stay home and take care of the family, that his vision is to have someone who makes him a sandwich.
I've got dozens of things to say about feminism (both pro and con - mostly pro) but will address just this one matter you mentioned:
For years I, like you and others, was always taught "ladies first". We would hold the door for ladies, serve them first in wine and cheese parties (I no longer drink alcohol), and allow them to step onto the city bus before we did.
Then a big social change occurred: many Southeast Asians and East Africans have moved into this area. In those cultures it is always men first, ladies second. For the past couple of decades now whenever I hop aboard a city bus and there is an Asian or African lady they step back and allow me to enter the bus first. One Abyssinian lady (these are Christian East Africans) went so far as to make a full bow in my direction before I stepped onto the bus! I was startled at her incredibly respectful manner.
Well, just a couple of weeks ago I was at the bus stop and chatted with a white lady from this area. I gestured for her to enter the bus and she did so before I did. Gosh - what a feeling it gave me for her to allow me to act like a Western gentleman again.
Yes, I know times have changed and with the ever increasing Muslim/East African and Southeast Asian populations that we see in this society, eventually things will likely change to the day when it will be universally men first. This may come about sooner than you think!
I've got dozens of things to say about feminism (both pro and con - mostly pro) but will address just this one matter you mentioned:
For years I, like you and others, was always taught "ladies first". We would hold the door for ladies, serve them first in wine and cheese parties (I no longer drink alcohol), and allow them to step onto the city bus before we did.
Then a big social change occurred: many Southeast Asians and East Africans have moved into this area. In those cultures it is always men first, ladies second. For the past couple of decades now whenever I hop aboard a city bus and there is an Asian or African lady they step back and allow me to enter the bus first. One Abyssinian lady (these are Christian East Africans) went so far as to make a full bow in my direction before I stepped onto the bus! I was startled at her incredibly respectful manner.
Well, just a couple of weeks ago I was at the bus stop and chatted with a white lady from this area. I gestured for her to enter the bus and she did so before I did. Gosh - what a feeling it gave me for her to allow me to act like a Western gentleman again.
Yes, I know times have changed and with the ever increasing Muslim/East African and Southeast Asian populations that we see in this society, eventually things will likely change to the day when it will be universally men first. This may come about sooner than you think!
For years I, like you and others, was always taught "ladies first". We would hold the door for ladies, serve them first in wine and cheese parties (I no longer drink alcohol), and allow them to step onto the city bus before we did.
Then a big social change occurred: many Southeast Asians and East Africans have moved into this area. In those cultures it is always men first, ladies second. For the past couple of decades now whenever I hop aboard a city bus and there is an Asian or African lady they step back and allow me to enter the bus first. One Abyssinian lady (these are Christian East Africans) went so far as to make a full bow in my direction before I stepped onto the bus! I was startled at her incredibly respectful manner.
Well, just a couple of weeks ago I was at the bus stop and chatted with a white lady from this area. I gestured for her to enter the bus and she did so before I did. Gosh - what a feeling it gave me for her to allow me to act like a Western gentleman again.
Yes, I know times have changed and with the ever increasing Muslim/East African and Southeast Asian populations that we see in this society, eventually things will likely change to the day when it will be universally men first. This may come about sooner than you think!
The popularization of feminism has kept the USA from reenacting the military draft because of all the litigation it would lead to. Now comes this bit of news: [h=1]Senate panel calls for women to sign up for military draft[/h] Source: Associated Press May 12 Senate panel calls for women to sign up for military draft The GOP-led Senate Armed Services Committee has seconded a call by its counterpart in the House to require women to register for a military draft, setting the stage for a significant cultural change triggered by the Pentagon's decision to lift all gender-based restrictions on front-line combat units. Any justification for barring women from draft registration was erased last year when the Pentagon announced all military jobs would be open to women, the committee said late Thursday in a summary of its annual defense policy bill. Women must begin to sign up with the Selective Service beginning in January 2018, according to the committee's measure. The committee added that the top officers in each of the military branches also expressed their support for including women in a potential draft during testimony before Congress. The United States has not had a military draft since 1973, in the Vietnam War era, but all men must register with the Selective Service within 30 days of turning 18. Women have never been required to register and have never been part of a wide-scale draft. Prospects for a draft are dim. Military leaders maintain that the all-volunteer force is working and do not want to return to conscription. News from The Associated Press