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RickyZ

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Thank you all, it's all good for consideration. I'm kinda leaning towards, I have to find out if he claims to be a Christian. If so, he's been talked to by others and by not making a correction I shouldn't go. But if he says he's not, then I'm thinking we need to draw sinners in by showing our love and being an example. And ya can't be an example if you're not present.

If you shun a believer, they know why it's happening even if they don't admit it.

If you shun a sinner, you're just a hater and good riddance with you and your religion.

I need to find out which he is
 
Ahwatukee

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Miri said:
Nothing wrong with wishing someone good health, happiness etc.
I suppose I can try the opposite and wish him death, destruction etc.

Haven’t you ever wished a non Christian well or do you reserve that for born
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No, you're missing the point. You wouldn't wish them death and destruction. But by wishing them well, you would be wishing them well in their marriage and life together which, if they die in that state will lead them both to condemning judgement.

"But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

Jesus said the above to the church of Ephesus. The practices of the Nicolaitans was to practice willfully eating food sacrificed to idols and committing sexual immorality. Jesus commended the Ephesians for hating that practice. We should also hate what the Lord hates. That said, wishing someone well who is living a same-sex life style would not be hating what they are doing, but supporting and condoning that life style. How can we say "Best wishes to you" when we know where that life style is going to lead them? Think about what you are saying.
 
blue_ladybug

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The fact that he's marrying ANOTHER MAN tells you he isn't a Christian!!! So if he says he is, then you will have to tell him that no he is not, because he cannot be a Christian and gay at the same time..
 
NayborBear

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RickyZ said:
Our nephew, who is one of the most respectful and responsible people I know, is marrying his boyfriend.

Do we go out of respect for him, or stay away because of the gay issue?
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I have separated myself from a once long time friend, because his "son" was gay. And, I was ok with that! That is, until his son and his boyfriend moved very close to him. And, were "proud" of "rubbing their poop in my face!" :mad:

If I were you Ricky? I'd be very careful of whom, or what I would "turn a blind eye" to!
 
Ahwatukee

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blue_ladybug said:
The fact that he's marrying ANOTHER MAN tells you he isn't a Christian!!! So if he says he is, then you will have to tell him that no he is not, because he cannot be a Christian and gay at the same time..
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Exactly! The true Spirit filled Christian, is not going to be able to remain in a same-sex life style and that by his/her own volition. The true Christian will be wrestling with his/her sins to overcome them. I believe that the following scripture captures what I am saying:

"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." - 1 John 3:9

Those who are truly born of God, will not be able to willfully remain living according to the sinful nature, because God's Spirit dwells in them. If RickyZ's cousin is truly in Christ, then he would be convicted of this life style and would begin to wrestle against it to overcome it, not justify it.
 
RickyZ

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blue_ladybug said:
The fact that he's marrying ANOTHER MAN tells you he isn't a Christian!!! So if he says he is, then you will have to tell him that no he is not, because he cannot be a Christian and gay at the same time..
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All Christians commit sins. While I agree this is a biggie, where do you draw the line? At which point does a sin become exclusionary? Scripture says when correction has been offered and ignore. Scripture doesn't put a size rating on it.
 
Ahwatukee

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RickyZ said:
All Christians commit sins. While I agree this is a biggie, where do you draw the line? At which point does a sin become exclusionary? Scripture says when correction has been offered and ignore. Scripture doesn't put a size rating on it.
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There is a difference between believers being sinners, who are always in a state of repentance to overcome their sins vs. those who have justified their sins so that can continue in them. True Christians are not willfully living according to the sinful nature but are wrestling to overcome that nature. As the scripture states, "the spirit wars against the flesh and the flesh wars against the spirit, for they are contrary to each other." The process is that, as we continue going from faith to faith, the new man in Christ is displacing the old man, as we are being transformed into His image.

That said, if someone is willfully living a same-sex life style and finds nothing wrong with what he/she is doing, do they really have the Spirit of God in them?
 
NayborBear

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RickyZ said:
Thank you all, it's all good for consideration. I'm kinda leaning towards, I have to find out if he claims to be a Christian. If so, he's been talked to by others and by not making a correction I shouldn't go. But if he says he's not, then I'm thinking we need to draw sinners in by showing our love and being an example. And ya can't be an example if you're not present.

If you shun a believer, they know why it's happening even if they don't admit it.

If you shun a sinner, you're just a hater and good riddance with you and your religion.

I need to find out which he is
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Depending on how committed you are? You could go ahead and go. And, when everyone is seated, and the "lawless and godless" ceremony begins? Simply stand up and turn your back to it! Then, you are killing 2 birds with 1 stone! Showing your respect to your family, by attending. While showing you're not being in agreement with the proceedings!
When you are asked to sit down, or leave?
Luke 12
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

All depends, I reckon, on just how large and lasting impression you wanna make.
 
Demi777

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RickyZ said:
Thank you all, it's all good for consideration. I'm kinda leaning towards, I have to find out if he claims to be a Christian. If so, he's been talked to by others and by not making a correction I shouldn't go. But if he says he's not, then I'm thinking we need to draw sinners in by showing our love and being an example. And ya can't be an example if you're not present.

If you shun a believer, they know why it's happening even if they don't admit it.

If you shun a sinner, you're just a hater and good riddance with you and your religion.

I need to find out which he is
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You gotta be a example by Jesus. He wouldnt go. Obedience is better than sacrefice. It is not about you. Its about the kingdom. Others will see you and think its ok. You dont want God to come back at you
 
Dino246

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RickyZ said:
Our nephew, who is one of the most respectful and responsible people I know, is marrying his boyfriend.

Do we go out of respect for him, or stay away because of the gay issue?
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You are wise enough to seek the Lord about this situation for yourself. However, since you asked...

I would not go, because I would not affirm a union that God calls an abomination.
 
TabinRivCA

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I have a nephew who is 'iffy', that is, maybe so.
RickyZ said:
Our nephew, who is one of the most respectful and responsible people I know, is marrying his boyfriend.

Do we go out of respect for him, or stay away because of the gay issue?
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I have a nephew who is borderline gay and he knows I love him very much. However, if he decided to marry a gay guy, I would put my respect for God's word above my nephew's waywardness. This would show him I am not buying it. God bless.
 
RickyZ

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Ahwatukee said:
There is a difference between believers being sinners, who are always in a state of repentance to overcome their sins vs. those who have justified their sins so that can continue in them. True Christians are not willfully living according to the sinful nature but are wrestling to overcome that nature. As the scripture states, "the spirit wars against the flesh and the flesh wars against the spirit, for they are contrary to each other." The process is that, as we continue going from faith to faith, the new man in Christ is displacing the old man, as we are being transformed into His image.

That said, if someone is willfully living a same-sex life style and finds nothing wrong with what he/she is doing, do they really have the Spirit of God in them?
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To follow this further would mean turning this into an osas thread, and Lord knows I don't want to do that. ;)

I've known Christians who have walked pretty far from the path and come back. Who's to say that in 5 years the Holy Spirit won't finally break thru and he'll undo this?
 
RickyZ

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It's not till June, so I've got some time to pray and meditate on what God wants me to do.

Even if I do go, honestly, I don't think I could actually physically sit there during the ceremony. I think I would be just too creeped out.
 
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It’s a difficult one. If you don’t have a close family member who is
gay then it’s possible to stand back and be very clinical about it.

But it’s a whole different ball game if you do have a close family member,
a sibling for example who you were brought up with and love.

One thing I would say is pray, not just for them to come to repentance but more
importantly to be set free. Being gay is a different type of sin, it’s a sin that
changes the very essence of who a person is. There is an entire lifestyle which
goes with it, associations, ways of living, ways of being, ways of thinking.
Whereas a lot of sin is external. It’s one thing to repent of something you have
done but quite another to repent of something you have become.

That’s why freedom is necessary before repentance.
 
MultilingualMessenger

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Miri said:
Nothing wrong with wishing someone good health, happiness etc.
I suppose I can try the opposite and wish him death, destruction etc.

Haven’t you ever wished a non Christian well or do you reserve that for born
again Christians only.
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You don't have to wish a non-Christian death and destruction; that's where they're headed anyway.

Better to let them know that the life they're living is not the Way and point them to Jesus. Approving of their sin is not the way to do that.
 
misskayanne

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That's a tough one, but I think I agree with many who are saying not to go. I've never been in this situation, but my cousin had to make this decision a few years ago when his mother was marrying her girl friend. It was a small wedding and I think only a few close friends and my cousin were invited. My cousin decided not to go because he is a Christian and does not condone same-sex marriage. I'm not sure how I would have responded back then if I were in his situation or if she had invited me. I love my aunt and I like her partner as well, so I would have been torn. I pray you find clarity from God regarding this situation.
 
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If you were being married, I'm sure he would attend and not stay away because of the "straight issue".

Go because he is your nephew and you love him.
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What does that mean? God designed us to be straight. So I don't see why that would be an issue.
 
blue_ladybug

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exegete said:
If you were being married, I'm sure he would attend and not stay away because of the "straight issue".

Go because he is your nephew and you love him.
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Attending would be showing that Ricky condones his behavior. People are SUPPOSED to be straight, not gay, queer or whatever adjective you want to use.. :/
 
blue_ladybug

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TabinRivCA said:
I have a nephew who is 'iffy', that is, maybe so.

I have a nephew who is borderline gay and he knows I love him very much. However, if he decided to marry a gay guy, I would put my respect for God's word above my nephew's waywardness. This would show him I am not buying it. God bless.
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Hi Tabin, there is no "borderline" gay. Either he is or he isn't. Some guys act effeminate but are not gay. Others are. But there's no border line. Either he's totally straight OR he's totally gay..
 
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RickyZ said:
Our nephew, who is one of the most respectful and responsible people I know, is marrying his boyfriend.

Do we go out of respect for him, or stay away because of the gay issue?
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Stay away..

Attending a gay wedding is a public show of support for homosexuality..

This is a crunch time.. Does one love their family member more then they love their LORD Jesus?
 
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