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I would agree very much with not allowing drunks, homos, adulterers, astrologists and liars not to be allowed church memberships unless they repentant. But I worked in an all night wedding chapel for seven years and have witnessed 1,000's of weddings between total strangers. Signing as witness did not mean I approved of the wedding. It meant, I saw it and it happened then and there. It was a legal document.

I don't know where most of them came from, what there religion was for the most part or what they did after they left. I was offered to join them on the honeymoon several times, which I politely declined. I never became one of them.

I did not and do not feel I was an enabler, they could have gotten some bum off of the street. At least I wore a Tuxedo!

The world today is certainly no gayer than it the Greco/Roman societies in which the Lord and the disciples walked and taught. What do you think went on in their bath houses? Please quit equating going to a wedding reception the same as going to a roman bath house. It is not!
Mark 7:15 New Living Translation (NLT)
15 "It’s not what goes into your body that defiles you; you are defiled by what comes from your heart.”
Too bad you did not read on...
0 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

It almost seems as if some here are deliberately trying to misrepresent the Word.
 
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But you can become sinful by association ...
Pro 13:20 Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.
Proverbs 13:20
That is the other side to consider, the effect it has on believers.
 

Magenta

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What difference does it make that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality?
The amount of noise Christians make about it in comparison seems quite disproportionate to me.

The fact that some here are acting as if drinking itself is a sin, and that standing beside a homosexual equates to partaking of their sin. If that were true, Jesus would have been a sinner! Ignoring the fact that we are called to love all, sinner and saint and enemy. Acknowledging the sinner's sin does not equate to condemning the sinner. We are not called to judge those outside the church.
 

calibob

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A red herring attempts to detract from the point at hand which you have tried to do. Bestiality? Really? Please repeat after me: Jesus said not one word about homosexuality while He walked this world. Can you do it? Nobody has denied these things as sin = another red herring. Ricky acknowledges his nephew's homosexual lifestyle and marriage as sinful, and his nephew knows it. Fleeing sexual immorality in our own lives is not the issue here, either. You do not become a homosexual by association.
Homosexuality is not contagious. We can't catch it. For some it is a choice for others, I believe, it is an involuntary lust. For all that practice it, it's a sin, that can be forgiven. That's about all I have to say. Let's pick on something that more prevalent like, the pride of life, or denial of guilt. Which is a self delusionary lie! If we are to shun homos then by the same statute are We are to shun liars too, are we not?
 

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The "liberals" here are trying to justify RickZ's attendance and his thumbs up to his nephew's ceremony as OK because he is family
and he needs to be the good uncle.
But is this consistent with what Jesus preaches and teaches us as his disciples ??

25 Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them,
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:
35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law.
36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is
not worthy of me.
38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:
 

theanointedwinner

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love the sin but hate the sinner, but what if the sinner identify the sin as themselves, then hating sin would seem like hating them, which is a problem
 
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The amount of noise Christians make about it in comparison seems quite disproportionate to me.

The fact that some here are acting as if drinking itself is a sin, and that standing beside a homosexual equates to partaking of their sin. If that were true, Jesus would have been a sinner! Ignoring the fact that we are called to love all, sinner and saint and enemy. Acknowledging the sinner's sin does not equate to condemning the sinner. We are not called to judge those outside the church.
I agree on all this, however there are bigger issues with homosexuality with regards to their well formulated agenda and in this case it is a wedding, which is a celebration of a union that God created between a man and a woman.

How does one party at and celebrate a union that is opposed to God's plan for a man and a woman.

While we are not called to judge, however we are called to show them the error of their ways if we don't we certainly are not salt and light.

Perhaps we are not called to judge deciding on their guilt or innocence ...however neither are we called to give sanction.

We just fail to grasp the gravity of the effects of this lifestyle...the statistics are not good.

For me I could not hold my best friend"s hand during an abortion, it is not about judging but it is about not participating in what is destructive. All sin is destructive...we need to be apart, for the cause of Christ.
 

calibob

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Too bad you did not read on...
0 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

It almost seems as if some here are deliberately trying to misrepresent the Word.
Not me. I never indicated any of the things listed are OK. But that they come from within and not from without. I live in a small town of about 100,000 people by the US average that means that about 7,300 of my neighbors are bi or gay. That dosn't make me that way. 1.1% lesbian, 2.2% male homos and 4% bi is the average. I checked the statistics yesterday.
 

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Homosexuality is not contagious. We can't catch it. For some it is a choice for others, I believe, it is an involuntary lust. For all that practice it, it's a sin, that can be forgiven. That's about all I have to say. Let's pick on something that more prevalent like, the pride of life, or denial of guilt. Which is a self delusionary lie! If we are to shun homos then by the same statute are We are to shun liars too, are we not?
Perhaps everyone needs to be shunned regardless of the type of sin that is committed.
 

Magenta

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The "liberals" here are trying to justify RickZ's attendance and his thumbs up to his nephew's ceremony as OK because he is family
and he needs to be the good uncle.
But is this consistent with what Jesus preaches and teaches us as his disciples ??
25 Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them,
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:
35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law.
36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is
not worthy of me.
38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:
Matthew 7:12
"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 12:14-21
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation.


Luke 6:35
"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great,
and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men."


1 Corinthians 16:14
Let all that you do be done in love.

1 Corinthians 13:1-8
If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
 

Magenta

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I agree on all this, however there are bigger issues with homosexuality with regards to their well formulated agenda and in this case it is a wedding, which is a celebration of a union that God created between a man and a woman.

How does one party at and celebrate a union that is opposed to God's plan for a man and a woman.

While we are not called to judge, however we are called to show them the error of their ways if we don't we certainly are not salt and light.

Perhaps we are not called to judge deciding on their guilt or innocence ...however neither are we called to give sanction.

We just fail to grasp the gravity of the effects of this lifestyle...the statistics are not good.

For me I could not hold my best friend"s hand during an abortion, it is not about judging but it is about not participating in what is destructive. All sin is destructive...we need to be apart, for the cause of Christ.
Again: Jesus did not keep Himself apart from sinners. AND: He meets us where we are. He showed His love for us while we were yet sinners.

Equating my support for my brother in Christ as a condoning of the gay lifestyle/agenda would be a mistake.

Loving my brother does not make me a liberal, either
:rolleyes::giggle::giggle::giggle:
 

calibob

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I agree on all this, however there are bigger issues with homosexuality with regards to their well formulated agenda and in this case it is a wedding, which is a celebration of a union that God created between a man and a woman.

How does one party at and celebrate a union that is opposed to God's plan for a man and a woman.

While we are not called to judge, however we are called to show them the error of their ways if we don't we certainly are not salt and light.

Perhaps we are not called to judge deciding on their guilt or innocence ...however neither are we called to give sanction.

We just fail to grasp the gravity of the effects of this lifestyle...the statistics are not good.

For me I could not hold my best friend"s hand during an abortion, it is not about judging but it is about not participating in what is destructive. All sin is destructive...we need to be apart, for the cause of Christ.
You missed the whole point! Legally, God is no longer in the US Supreme Courts definition of marriage. So the issue is not is the marriage Godly. It clearly is not but it's legal. We have to decide whether or not to go based upon our own convictions or if we think that by going we are somehow giving them permission. When I went to my parents funerals, I did so out of love for them. I didn't give them permission to die. And @RickyZ didn't give his nephew permission to get married either. Would not going have prevented it from happening?
 
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You missed the whole point! Legally, God is no longer in the US Supreme Courts definition of marriage. So the issue is not is the marriage Godly. It clearly is not but it's legal. We have to decide whether or not to go based upon our own convictions or if we think that by going we are somehow giving them permission. When I went to my parents funerals, I did so out of love for them. I didn't give them permission to die. And @RickyZ didn't give his nephew permission to get married either. Would not going have prevented it from happening?
What does secular law have to do with this, I sincerely doubt I missed any point actually :D

Marriage in God's eyes is not a piece of paper, they are the one's celebrating their union whether it is called marriage or not.
 
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Again: Jesus did not keep Himself apart from sinners. AND: He meets us where we are. He showed His love for us while we were yet sinners.
Every single person Jesus met was a sinner in comparison to Him and the fact that he did mention homosexuality while on earth is denial of the full canon of truth, since the words of Paul are given by divine inspiration ....that would mean Jesus.

As well, Jesus and His ministry, while unique in its purpose, cannot be separated out from Paul and the apostle's instructions, this is not wise, nor is it a way to justify our behavior.

Believe as you will.
 

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The amount of noise Christians make about it in comparison seems quite disproportionate to me.

The fact that some here are acting as if drinking itself is a sin, and that standing beside a homosexual equates to partaking of their sin. If that were true, Jesus would have been a sinner! Ignoring the fact that we are called to love all, sinner and saint and enemy. Acknowledging the sinner's sin does not equate to condemning the sinner. We are not called to judge those outside the church.
Yes we are not called to judge those outside the church. We are called to witness to them. How is attending a gay wedding witnessing? Are you there to tell them a gay wedding is an abomination or that they would go to hell because of it? Is drinking alcohol really not a sin? Is it because Jesus drank wine? Or because he served wine to the wedding guests? I find it hard to believe or even laughable that Jesus Himself would drink alcohol or that He would serve alcohol to those wedding guests who are already drunk. Because if He did, He would be violating His own words. The Bible condemns drunkenness and proverbs says we are not even to look at alcohol. Jesus drank non alocoholic grape juice. And grape juice is also called wine in their time.
 

calibob

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The "liberals" here are trying to justify RickZ's attendance and his thumbs up to his nephew's ceremony as OK because he is family
and he needs to be the good uncle.
But is this consistent with what Jesus preaches and teaches us as his disciples ??

25 Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them,
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:
35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law.
36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is
not worthy of me.
38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:
Well if by calling me a liberal you are inferring that I oppose closed minded dogma, your right!
 

theanointedwinner

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The logic problem is pretty much

How to show love for the sinner without loving sin

Or
How to hate sin without being mistaken as hating the sinner
 

calibob

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What does secular law have to do with this, I sincerely doubt I missed any point actually :D

Marriage in God's eyes is not a piece of paper, they are the one's celebrating their union whether it is called marriage or not.
Obviously it was most likely a secular wedding. Do you not go to them? I've only been to 2 church weddings in my life and 1 was mine.