Is there anything to be done for Physiological Depression

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notmyown

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I went to my doctor's yesterday. She said it might be PTSD. I tend to think of that as caused by something extraordinarily bad -- car wrecks, war, and the huge stuff. But it doesn't matter so much, because I don't think it's unrecoverable. Kind of like I'm off my rocker, but the rocker isn't that far away that I can't get back on again.

Whew!

i was diagnosed with PTSD when i was 36. the physical and emotional trauma you've been through this last year definitely qualifies.

it's quite recoverable, because GOD. :)

praying for you to be rocking again. soon. ♥
 

notmyown

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ps--- natch, i came in at the end of the thread again. ;)
 

Blik

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i was diagnosed with PTSD when i was 36. the physical and emotional trauma you've been through this last year definitely qualifies.

it's quite recoverable, because GOD. :)

praying for you to be rocking again. soon. ♥
Whenever we let our mind have "ain't it AWFUL" thoughts it causes our body to work differently. Our hormones puts us on the alert for possible causes for those thoughts instead of helping us go on to what the Lord tells us to keep our mind on. Phil. 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
When life has something just great for us, our hormones help us find the wonderful, I'm on top of the world things.

So next time sadness comes, watch to see what is in your mind. You have control of it, put in something that is beautiful to you.

When my baby was so very sick for so long, I couldn't think of anything good, her illness absorbed me. So I put the words of the Lord in my mind, memorizing. I even vacuumed with a bible perched on the handles, made beds with the bible on the lamp table. Otherwise I sang hymns. We are the boss of our minds! Our minds are to key to how our body works.
 
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Whenever we let our mind have "ain't it AWFUL" thoughts it causes our body to work differently. Our hormones puts us on the alert for possible causes for those thoughts instead of helping us go on to what the Lord tells us to keep our mind on. Phil. 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
When life has something just great for us, our hormones help us find the wonderful, I'm on top of the world things.

So next time sadness comes, watch to see what is in your mind. You have control of it, put in something that is beautiful to you.

When my baby was so very sick for so long, I couldn't think of anything good, her illness absorbed me. So I put the words of the Lord in my mind, memorizing. I even vacuumed with a bible perched on the handles, made beds with the bible on the lamp table. Otherwise I sang hymns. We are the boss of our minds! Our minds are to key to how our body works.
You still have hormones at 91? Cool! I keep thinking mine died out at menopause. lol
 

notmyown

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Whenever we let our mind have "ain't it AWFUL" thoughts it causes our body to work differently. Our hormones puts us on the alert for possible causes for those thoughts instead of helping us go on to what the Lord tells us to keep our mind on. Phil. 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
When life has something just great for us, our hormones help us find the wonderful, I'm on top of the world things.

So next time sadness comes, watch to see what is in your mind. You have control of it, put in something that is beautiful to you.

When my baby was so very sick for so long, I couldn't think of anything good, her illness absorbed me. So I put the words of the Lord in my mind, memorizing. I even vacuumed with a bible perched on the handles, made beds with the bible on the lamp table. Otherwise I sang hymns. We are the boss of our minds! Our minds are to key to how our body works.
ma'am, i thank you for these kind words. :)

i got over it years ago, because God is faithful, and so very good.
 

Angela53510

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Also catching the end of the thread!

Lynn, I think you have answered your own question. Physiological depression needs a physiological response.

Please talk to your family doctor about starting an antidepressant. Most GPS will prescribe an AD because it is so common. My husband has seen a psychiatrist twice for his major depression, and one gave him an AD, the other did nothing. When he got worse, I told his family doctor what he needed, he prescribed it, and he has been mostly stable ever since! (He added another branch of drugs)

The reason it is so important to get on an AD immediately, is because the longer you wait, the harder it is for the neurotransmitters in the brain to come back to normal. A year of depression will require a year of meds to get back to normal. Two years depression can take 3 or 4 years to get back to normal. Five years of depression can require 10 years or more. After that, the brain doesn't recover, and ADs are required forever. That is my husband, who was in an avalanche with his dad skiing when he was 15. His father died, but my husband survived. No grief counselling, overwhelming survivor's guilt! He never told a soul how he was feeling. The 4th year we were together, he took a turn for the worse, because of the added stress of owning our own home. The symptoms were obvious, but I knew nothing about depression. Fifteen years later a family doctor figured it out on his rare office visits, but hubby thought depression was a weakness in his Christian walk, not an identifiable disease of the brain. Ten years after that, he finally got on ADs. He noticed an immediate effect on his well being. But it is permanent!

See your doctor, share what you said here about the crying and what you have been through. There are some 20 or more kinds of ADs these days, they affect people differently. So don't panic if the first few don't work. (I would stay away from Effexor! My mom was on it, and several other people I know. They all said that it became ineffective rapidly, but was extremely addictive. You don't want to go down that road!)
 

DiscipleDave

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I cry when the mail comes, when I get a text, find my shoe or even when I cook....I'm not depressed, it's my hormones and that could be a similar thing with you is a hormonal imbalance which is normal to hit women at different ages
This reminds me of a time when i was at a restaurant with my ex-wife, everything was going good, no problems. i look up and she is crying, eating and crying. i asked "What's wrong?" i will never forget it as long as i live what she said next, bawling, sniffling, eyes full of water, she looks at me and says "I DON'T KNOW". i did the stupid guy thing and said "What do you mean, you don't know, you have to know why you are crying?" She again repeated "I DON'T KNOW" Shortly after that Hot flashes started, then we found out it was menopause. She was 38 at the time. apparently the women on her side got it very early.

Just thought i would share that.

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Also catching the end of the thread!

Lynn, I think you have answered your own question. Physiological depression needs a physiological response.

Please talk to your family doctor about starting an antidepressant. Most GPS will prescribe an AD because it is so common. My husband has seen a psychiatrist twice for his major depression, and one gave him an AD, the other did nothing. When he got worse, I told his family doctor what he needed, he prescribed it, and he has been mostly stable ever since! (He added another branch of drugs)

The reason it is so important to get on an AD immediately, is because the longer you wait, the harder it is for the neurotransmitters in the brain to come back to normal. A year of depression will require a year of meds to get back to normal. Two years depression can take 3 or 4 years to get back to normal. Five years of depression can require 10 years or more. After that, the brain doesn't recover, and ADs are required forever. That is my husband, who was in an avalanche with his dad skiing when he was 15. His father died, but my husband survived. No grief counselling, overwhelming survivor's guilt! He never told a soul how he was feeling. The 4th year we were together, he took a turn for the worse, because of the added stress of owning our own home. The symptoms were obvious, but I knew nothing about depression. Fifteen years later a family doctor figured it out on his rare office visits, but hubby thought depression was a weakness in his Christian walk, not an identifiable disease of the brain. Ten years after that, he finally got on ADs. He noticed an immediate effect on his well being. But it is permanent!

See your doctor, share what you said here about the crying and what you have been through. There are some 20 or more kinds of ADs these days, they affect people differently. So don't panic if the first few don't work. (I would stay away from Effexor! My mom was on it, and several other people I know. They all said that it became ineffective rapidly, but was extremely addictive. You don't want to go down that road!)

Effexor made me feel like I was getting electrocuted in my head after a few weeks. Also made me yawn way too much.
 
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Also catching the end of the thread!

Lynn, I think you have answered your own question. Physiological depression needs a physiological response.

Please talk to your family doctor about starting an antidepressant. Most GPS will prescribe an AD because it is so common. My husband has seen a psychiatrist twice for his major depression, and one gave him an AD, the other did nothing. When he got worse, I told his family doctor what he needed, he prescribed it, and he has been mostly stable ever since! (He added another branch of drugs)

The reason it is so important to get on an AD immediately, is because the longer you wait, the harder it is for the neurotransmitters in the brain to come back to normal. A year of depression will require a year of meds to get back to normal. Two years depression can take 3 or 4 years to get back to normal. Five years of depression can require 10 years or more. After that, the brain doesn't recover, and ADs are required forever. That is my husband, who was in an avalanche with his dad skiing when he was 15. His father died, but my husband survived. No grief counselling, overwhelming survivor's guilt! He never told a soul how he was feeling. The 4th year we were together, he took a turn for the worse, because of the added stress of owning our own home. The symptoms were obvious, but I knew nothing about depression. Fifteen years later a family doctor figured it out on his rare office visits, but hubby thought depression was a weakness in his Christian walk, not an identifiable disease of the brain. Ten years after that, he finally got on ADs. He noticed an immediate effect on his well being. But it is permanent!

See your doctor, share what you said here about the crying and what you have been through. There are some 20 or more kinds of ADs these days, they affect people differently. So don't panic if the first few don't work. (I would stay away from Effexor! My mom was on it, and several other people I know. They all said that it became ineffective rapidly, but was extremely addictive. You don't want to go down that road!)
I used to be a drug addict. I am now dependent on pain pills. There is a difference. Both cause dependency, but addiction is when the drug becomes the purpose of life. It's effect is what the addict seeks, and the effect is a brain-diversion from reality.

I've been on antidepressants before, but stopped when I realized they provided no benefit to the health issue I took them for. (First time was because I got migraines, but it didn't stop the migraines. Second time for my back, but it didn't make the back feel better.)

I worry about taking any mind-altering substance, because I used to be an addict. Being mellow would make me feel better, but it doesn't resolve the problem. The cause for the loopty-loop of emotions I'm having. I have hope that God will work this out. I also am not shy about talking it out. (It helps that hubby doesn't remember a third of what happened to him, and that even what he doesn't remember isn't the same thing I remember, because I was only with him 1.5 hours per day, and he was stuck there 24/7.) So, I am talking it out with the guy who understands it and me best on this planet. AND, bonus points, I rarely freak him out. :D

If this doesn't improve in half a year, I will revisit the antidepressant idea again, but not going that way yet. I do have hope that God can regulate me back to something of what I was, and even alter -- to my good and his glory -- me through this.

But thank you. My doctor both suggested and declined antidepressants in the same sentence. I like that about her. I didn't even ask. lol
 
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This reminds me of a time when i was at a restaurant with my ex-wife, everything was going good, no problems. i look up and she is crying, eating and crying. i asked "What's wrong?" i will never forget it as long as i live what she said next, bawling, sniffling, eyes full of water, she looks at me and says "I DON'T KNOW". i did the stupid guy thing and said "What do you mean, you don't know, you have to know why you are crying?" She again repeated "I DON'T KNOW" Shortly after that Hot flashes started, then we found out it was menopause. She was 38 at the time. apparently the women on her side got it very early.

Just thought i would share that.

^i^

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DiscipleDave
I didn't know 38 was young for menopause. I really lucked out -- started late for periods, and ended early for having kids. (My dad was married twice and both of his wives got pregnant when they were 39. I thought they were longer than most.)

BUT I made up for it in the duration of hot flashes and night sweats! 15 years!!! Still, I know some women get them permanently, so I am very happy they're over!
 

DiscipleDave

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I didn't know 38 was young for menopause.


The Average age an American woman starts menopause is 51. Starting menopause at age 38 is young.

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EmilyNats

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I went to my doctor's yesterday. She said it might be PTSD. I tend to think of that as caused by something extraordinarily bad -- car wrecks, war, and the huge stuff. But it doesn't matter so much, because I don't think it's unrecoverable. Kind of like I'm off my rocker, but the rocker isn't that far away that I can't get back on again.

Whew!
That makes much more sense than the unrequited love I was about to suggest. :rolleyes:

Yes, me and my teenage brain are leaving now.
 

Angela53510

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I used to be a drug addict. I am now dependent on pain pills. There is a difference. Both cause dependency, but addiction is when the drug becomes the purpose of life. It's effect is what the addict seeks, and the effect is a brain-diversion from reality.

I've been on antidepressants before, but stopped when I realized they provided no benefit to the health issue I took them for. (First time was because I got migraines, but it didn't stop the migraines. Second time for my back, but it didn't make the back feel better.)

I worry about taking any mind-altering substance, because I used to be an addict. Being mellow would make me feel better, but it doesn't resolve the problem. The cause for the loopty-loop of emotions I'm having. I have hope that God will work this out. I also am not shy about talking it out. (It helps that hubby doesn't remember a third of what happened to him, and that even what he doesn't remember isn't the same thing I remember, because I was only with him 1.5 hours per day, and he was stuck there 24/7.) So, I am talking it out with the guy who understands it and me best on this planet. AND, bonus points, I rarely freak him out. :D

If this doesn't improve in half a year, I will revisit the antidepressant idea again, but not going that way yet. I do have hope that God can regulate me back to something of what I was, and even alter -- to my good and his glory -- me through this.

But thank you. My doctor both suggested and declined antidepressants in the same sentence. I like that about her. I didn't even ask. lol

I don't think you understand what anti-depressants are all about. They are not a "mind altering substance.". They are simply replacing the neurotransmitters that are in short supply in a depressive's brain, to bring them back to normal. Therefore depression needs ADs -> a NORMAL brain. Not to make you spaced out or mellow. To make you normal. If the ADs made you feel weird, you needed to try a different one.

Again, the longer you wait to start them, the harder it will be to get off of them. NOT because you are an addict, but because the brain loses the ability to produce those important neurotransmitters, like seratonin, norepinephrine, etc. While I agree these drugs can be addictive, if you start them soon enough, you will be able to wean off of them, because you will get through this difficult period, and not be depressed anymore.

Well, it is your life, I won't comment again, please keep it in mind, ok?
 
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I don't think you understand what anti-depressants are all about. They are not a "mind altering substance.". They are simply replacing the neurotransmitters that are in short supply in a depressive's brain, to bring them back to normal. Therefore depression needs ADs -> a NORMAL brain. Not to make you spaced out or mellow. To make you normal. If the ADs made you feel weird, you needed to try a different one.

Again, the longer you wait to start them, the harder it will be to get off of them. NOT because you are an addict, but because the brain loses the ability to produce those important neurotransmitters, like seratonin, norepinephrine, etc. While I agree these drugs can be addictive, if you start them soon enough, you will be able to wean off of them, because you will get through this difficult period, and not be depressed anymore.

Well, it is your life, I won't comment again, please keep it in mind, ok?
I've tried several. The one commonality seems to be they'd also be good for sleeping pills. They always made me drowsy, and my brain seemed to take twice as long to think as it did beforehand. BUT, I admit it. I'm talking antidepressants from the 1970's through to the very beginning of this century. (I quit the last time about 2003-2005.) Have they changed since then?
 

Angela53510

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I've tried several. The one commonality seems to be they'd also be good for sleeping pills. They always made me drowsy, and my brain seemed to take twice as long to think as it did beforehand. BUT, I admit it. I'm talking antidepressants from the 1970's through to the very beginning of this century. (I quit the last time about 2003-2005.) Have they changed since then?

Yes, the old ADs were very different. They did put you to sleep, and they really worked only rarely to stop depression. When in prednisone for RA, I take Trazadone, an old tricyclic AD from the 70's. It knocks me out. The ADs today tend to be stimulants, and they help the body retain neurotransmitters. SSRIs help the body retain seratonin. Others like Wellbutrin affect dopamine and norepinephrine. My sister takes a small dose of Wellbutrin, because a full pill keeps her awake for 2 days!

Maybe do some research on google to see what comes up on the new ADs. I just hate to see someone suffering from depression and thinking they will just have to tough it out!
 

JosephsDreams

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One in 6 people in America are now on Psychological drugs. I think that is a very high number. I realize some people truly do need them. But these drugs are probably being over prescribed though. I think the number was 1 in 8 or 9 just six years ago.
I know people here are tired of me saying it, but I am speaking the truth when I say that if one changed their diet first, there is a chance they may not need those drugs. Not everyone all the time, but enough people to make it worthwhile to give it a try.
I also know beyond a doubt that with all the chemicals in the processed foods, even if one does not need psycho drugs, your dampening your spiritual and emotional potential.
 
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One in 6 people in America are now on Psychological drugs. I think that is a very high number. I realize some people truly do need them. But these drugs are probably being over prescribed though. I think the number was 1 in 8 or 9 just six years ago.
I know people here are tired of me saying it, but I am speaking the truth when I say that if one changed their diet first, there is a chance they may not need those drugs. Not everyone all the time, but enough people to make it worthwhile to give it a try.
I also know beyond a doubt that with all the chemicals in the processed foods, even if one does not need psycho drugs, your dampening your spiritual and emotional potential.
You're right. You are tiresome. We don't eat processed foods. The world doesn't get fixed by living on your diet.
 
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I eat pretty healthy, I'm active, and I also take an AD.

It wish it wasn't such a stigma.

It's like how I also wear prescription glasses to see clearly.
 
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