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Hi,
How sad this has all been 160 pages of hate in one way or the other , all over the gay people , I thought gee this will be over quick not so . I knew quite a few gay people and still do , and what I found was why don't they in this case women they find a partner yet don't stay with each other so I wondered, why not,
form their talking with me I found most had been married to their partners and they were men = husbands , and something changed their thinking and so left their husbands yet still had contact and asked for money and help when they wonted or ...needed...yet, did not wont them other wise , because they ( and this point was left out in the 160 pages was they had children together ,) wonted to have a woman instead , I'm not sure why if there had been abuse with in their familys or some other reason ,
So the next time I met with them they had a new friend woman , so they don't stay together very long and this I have seen so many times can I answer as to why , not really only to say theres something missing in their live / live,s it,s like they need a new bed mate so often , and the men are the same and I have talked with a few over the years ,
Sad .....just another side I see ,
How do I write this, and hope it comes out right,
I was shown 22 years ago I was going to meet many 100,s of people that became 10,s of 1000,s that I would have contact with or write email to or hear from and know about with in many communitys and the life storys I know about has been way more than I thought could happen , well I have learned to listen and hear them and some I have been able to help and most others I'm just there to listen no judgement no telling them they are wrong or they should change or be different ,
That's not my job , I was shown , to show who I am as a person let them know we have something that they can see in us there is more to life than just being on this earth in other words we are to show The Lord in us through us and live in a way that will bring about , why are you different what is it that makes you different from others around you ,
The Lord will open their door their mind their Heart , just we are to be there when The Lord brings us to them ,
can I say this wont happen in a week or month or a year even it takes time for them to see ...WE ARE REAL...and not playing a game so how we ...LIVE....our life is so importaint just we need to let The Lord Go before us first ,and pave the way .
Its not what we know its ...WHO... we know.....
...noeleena...
How sad this has all been 160 pages of hate in one way or the other , all over the gay people , I thought gee this will be over quick not so . I knew quite a few gay people and still do , and what I found was why don't they in this case women they find a partner yet don't stay with each other so I wondered, why not,
form their talking with me I found most had been married to their partners and they were men = husbands , and something changed their thinking and so left their husbands yet still had contact and asked for money and help when they wonted or ...needed...yet, did not wont them other wise , because they ( and this point was left out in the 160 pages was they had children together ,) wonted to have a woman instead , I'm not sure why if there had been abuse with in their familys or some other reason ,
So the next time I met with them they had a new friend woman , so they don't stay together very long and this I have seen so many times can I answer as to why , not really only to say theres something missing in their live / live,s it,s like they need a new bed mate so often , and the men are the same and I have talked with a few over the years ,
Sad .....just another side I see ,
How do I write this, and hope it comes out right,
I was shown 22 years ago I was going to meet many 100,s of people that became 10,s of 1000,s that I would have contact with or write email to or hear from and know about with in many communitys and the life storys I know about has been way more than I thought could happen , well I have learned to listen and hear them and some I have been able to help and most others I'm just there to listen no judgement no telling them they are wrong or they should change or be different ,
That's not my job , I was shown , to show who I am as a person let them know we have something that they can see in us there is more to life than just being on this earth in other words we are to show The Lord in us through us and live in a way that will bring about , why are you different what is it that makes you different from others around you ,
The Lord will open their door their mind their Heart , just we are to be there when The Lord brings us to them ,
can I say this wont happen in a week or month or a year even it takes time for them to see ...WE ARE REAL...and not playing a game so how we ...LIVE....our life is so importaint just we need to let The Lord Go before us first ,and pave the way .
Its not what we know its ...WHO... we know.....
...noeleena...
Hi,
How sad this has all been 160 posts of hate in one way or the other , all over the gay people , I thought gee this will be over quick not so . I knew quite a few gay people and still do , and what I found was why don't they in this case women they find a partner yet don't stay with each other so I wondered, why not,
form their talking with me I found most had been married to their partners and they were men = husbands , and something changed their thinking and so left their husbands yet still had contact and asked for money and help when they wonted or ...needed...yet, did not wont them other wise , because they ( and this point was left out in the 160 pages was they had children together ,) wonted to have a woman instead , I'm not sure why if there had been abuse with in their familys or some other reason ,
So the next time I met with them they had a new friend woman , so they don't stay together very long and this I have seen so many times can I answer as to why , not really only to say theres something missing in their live / live,s it,s like they need a new bed mate so often , and the men are the same and I have talked with a few over the years ,
Sad .....just another side I see ,
How do I write this, and hope it comes out right,
I was shown 22 years ago I was going to meet many 100,s of people that became 10,s of 1000,s that I would have contact with or write email to or hear from and know about with in many communitys and the life storys I know about has been way more than I thought could happen , well I have learned to listen and hear them and some I have been able to help and most others I'm just there to listen no judgement no telling them they are wrong or they should change or be different ,
That's not my job , I was shown , to show who I am as a person let them know we have something that they can see in us there is more to life than just being on this earth in other words we are to show The Lord in us through us and live in a way that will bring about , why are you different what is it that makes you different from others around you ,
The Lord will open their door their mind their Heart , just we are to be there when The Lord brings us to them ,
can I say this wont happen in a week or month or a year even it takes time for them to see ...WE ARE REAL...and not playing a game so how we ...LIVE....our life is so importaint just we need to let The Lord Go before us first ,and pave the way .
Its not what we know its ...WHO... we know.....
...noeleena...
How sad this has all been 160 posts of hate in one way or the other , all over the gay people , I thought gee this will be over quick not so . I knew quite a few gay people and still do , and what I found was why don't they in this case women they find a partner yet don't stay with each other so I wondered, why not,
form their talking with me I found most had been married to their partners and they were men = husbands , and something changed their thinking and so left their husbands yet still had contact and asked for money and help when they wonted or ...needed...yet, did not wont them other wise , because they ( and this point was left out in the 160 pages was they had children together ,) wonted to have a woman instead , I'm not sure why if there had been abuse with in their familys or some other reason ,
So the next time I met with them they had a new friend woman , so they don't stay together very long and this I have seen so many times can I answer as to why , not really only to say theres something missing in their live / live,s it,s like they need a new bed mate so often , and the men are the same and I have talked with a few over the years ,
Sad .....just another side I see ,
How do I write this, and hope it comes out right,
I was shown 22 years ago I was going to meet many 100,s of people that became 10,s of 1000,s that I would have contact with or write email to or hear from and know about with in many communitys and the life storys I know about has been way more than I thought could happen , well I have learned to listen and hear them and some I have been able to help and most others I'm just there to listen no judgement no telling them they are wrong or they should change or be different ,
That's not my job , I was shown , to show who I am as a person let them know we have something that they can see in us there is more to life than just being on this earth in other words we are to show The Lord in us through us and live in a way that will bring about , why are you different what is it that makes you different from others around you ,
The Lord will open their door their mind their Heart , just we are to be there when The Lord brings us to them ,
can I say this wont happen in a week or month or a year even it takes time for them to see ...WE ARE REAL...and not playing a game so how we ...LIVE....our life is so importaint just we need to let The Lord Go before us first ,and pave the way .
Its not what we know its ...WHO... we know.....
...noeleena...
Excuse the language.
This was a couple of yrs ago. The bullying and in some cases actual persecution of Christians by those espousing the homosexual agenda, has only gotten WORSE since this,
YOU have it backwards. The bullying and hatred is far and away coming from the LGBTQ community.
WE love them, and rejoice when even one repents and accepts Jesus.[video=youtube;ao0k9qDsOvs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0k9qDsOvs[/video]
This was a couple of yrs ago. The bullying and in some cases actual persecution of Christians by those espousing the homosexual agenda, has only gotten WORSE since this,
YOU have it backwards. The bullying and hatred is far and away coming from the LGBTQ community.
WE love them, and rejoice when even one repents and accepts Jesus.[video=youtube;ao0k9qDsOvs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0k9qDsOvs[/video]
T
Wow! Sin is sin! Big or small! Gay or steeling! Its all the same in Gods eyes. Who are we to judge? We are no better then gays...we will all stand before God on judgement day. So instead of. Spending time and energy hating on gays, rather focus on your own journey with God, be humble and stop judging. We all sin
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Yet another example of not being allowed to disagree with homosexuality without being called hateful.
And notice, Terry, the thread was started by someone telling us to accept homosexuality and spent the whole night pushing homosexual acceptance. Most gay threads are started by gay supporters pushing for acceptance, not by people 'judging' or 'hating'.
I seriously don't think people know what the words 'judge' or 'hate' actually mean anymore. They are so casually thrown around people sound ignorant when using them.
Also i'd like to see where anyone is 'hating on gays' in this thread. If you can't provide undeniable evidence that a large enough portion of the people posting her are hating on gays, or judging them, then you are speaking without anything to back up your words, which makes you less credible overall.
And notice, Terry, the thread was started by someone telling us to accept homosexuality and spent the whole night pushing homosexual acceptance. Most gay threads are started by gay supporters pushing for acceptance, not by people 'judging' or 'hating'.
I seriously don't think people know what the words 'judge' or 'hate' actually mean anymore. They are so casually thrown around people sound ignorant when using them.
Also i'd like to see where anyone is 'hating on gays' in this thread. If you can't provide undeniable evidence that a large enough portion of the people posting her are hating on gays, or judging them, then you are speaking without anything to back up your words, which makes you less credible overall.
I'm gonna use this illustration:
When I was being raised by my parents, I did some things along the way that they didn't approve of. And I had thoughts now and then of "you don't like my behavior so obviously you don't love me/you hate me"
But then I grew up and fully realized that they did (and still do) love me. Just not some of my choices.
When I was being raised by my parents, I did some things along the way that they didn't approve of. And I had thoughts now and then of "you don't like my behavior so obviously you don't love me/you hate me"
But then I grew up and fully realized that they did (and still do) love me. Just not some of my choices.
D
Let's try this theory with other sin areas.
Did that just change the theory or confirm it? Because, got to tell you, I'm getting it from the same part of the Bible you're getting your theory. Romans 1:18-32, right?
Sure we can be all those things and still be Christians. The difference ought to be that after becoming a Christian we no longer want to be those things and seek God to change us out of that.
I've known people who were Christians and homosexual. The part that tells me they were Christians too was the obvious part. One was a married man with a Christian wife who surrendered to God the area, until it became less of a problem. He got past acting on the desire. His word was golden in that he preached Christ in his life to change that. So, in action and word, he was no longer homosexual after years of changes. Did he think about it occasionally? No idea. I don't dare ask for fear he can come back and ask me if I still think in my sin area sometime. But was he not a Christian in the beginning of his walk because he didn't changed over night? I know he was because he did change to Gods glory over time.
The others I've known never really figured out how to get past the sin running deep in them, so they settled for not acting on the desire. They became celibate.
Does either choice offend you? Because, honestly? They are your brothers and sisters in Christ, and because they've fought the good fight, they're less inclined to make the same statement about your sin area.
And, honestly? You told everyone that THEY should help these particular people to deliver them from sin? Do you do that? I can't see with your opinion that it would be effective.
Did that just change the theory or confirm it? Because, got to tell you, I'm getting it from the same part of the Bible you're getting your theory. Romans 1:18-32, right?
Sure we can be all those things and still be Christians. The difference ought to be that after becoming a Christian we no longer want to be those things and seek God to change us out of that.
I've known people who were Christians and homosexual. The part that tells me they were Christians too was the obvious part. One was a married man with a Christian wife who surrendered to God the area, until it became less of a problem. He got past acting on the desire. His word was golden in that he preached Christ in his life to change that. So, in action and word, he was no longer homosexual after years of changes. Did he think about it occasionally? No idea. I don't dare ask for fear he can come back and ask me if I still think in my sin area sometime. But was he not a Christian in the beginning of his walk because he didn't changed over night? I know he was because he did change to Gods glory over time.
The others I've known never really figured out how to get past the sin running deep in them, so they settled for not acting on the desire. They became celibate.
Does either choice offend you? Because, honestly? They are your brothers and sisters in Christ, and because they've fought the good fight, they're less inclined to make the same statement about your sin area.
And, honestly? You told everyone that THEY should help these particular people to deliver them from sin? Do you do that? I can't see with your opinion that it would be effective.
The part I liked best about this video was all the Christian students walking out! Such courage in the face of lies and persecution.
And the part that is missing with his faulty exegesis is that all his other examples have cultural context. They are an accurate assessment of God's people 4000 or 2000 years ago.
I read a very interesting book a few years back, called "Slaves, Women and Homosexuals" by William Webb. He uses slavery as a neutral example, to show how God progressively moved people away from slavery, without compromising the gospel message. On the other end, is the unchanging laws against homosexual behaviour, which are laws even today. He then compares that to the middle example of women, and God moving women forward in ministry and personhood, and how Israel was always ahead of the surrounding cultures in this matter. (See Numbers 27 and the daughters of Zelophehad!)
Suffice it to say, it was a book filled with Scripture and conclusively shows that homosexuality was not, and never will be a part of God's plan for human beings.
And just to add to my earlier post, the gay lifestyle is NOT about two same sex people falling in love, getting married and living happily ever after. It is about promiscuity or serial monogamy at best. It is about following lust. And the sad thing is, it is very possible to overcome those actions arising out of the desires, with the help of God and Christian community. I've said this before, but it is worth repeating.
We have a man in our church who still carries a lot of flamboyant gay characteristics although I know he has done his best to tone them down. He realized serving Christ was more important than his "gay lifestyle," which was indeed one full of loneliness and grief. He has been married to a woman for 26 years and is a leader in our church. He is one of the strongest Christians I know, and gave his testimony last year at a seminar on ministering to gays.
We also have members in CC who have willingly left the gay lifestyle, and are living for Jesus Christ. Rather than encouraging us to accept this lifestyle, which just by its promiscuity is totally against God's laws, we need to be encouraging one another to share the joy of knowing Jesus, which is a million times better than the sordid life that most gays live.
I pray we all are given opportunities to first love these people, and then in love, share that homosexuality is NOT God's plan for anyone. That would be true love, and the most caring way to help people who are caught in this nightmare of revolving lovers and chances with death through the many sexually transmitted diseases these people are exposed to.
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WE WERE BEING TROLLED!!!
THAT'S WHAT THIS OP WAS REALLY ABOUT!!
I posted the above message back on page 6 of this thread when I suspected this person of trolling. I didn't want to come right out and accuse the op until I had all the facts together.
But seriously peeps, there are oodles of haters out there who believe we're fools and they get plenty of proof of it when they're able to drag us along with troll posts page after page. As soon as I read a sensational thread title and see a wall of text, I suspect foul play. Because that is their regular M.O.
There are other tell-tale signs and you can Google them all for yourself. The thing that makes me sick is that while we are tangled up debating with trolls, there are genuine people on this forum who are lonely or who need prayer and fellowship. We can't share with those real folks if we're occupied with mob-rushing the spammers & trolls, ya know?
PLEASE, if you suspect a troll, do your research, share the info and report them so they get banned.
PLEASE let's not keep them entertained arguing with them and casting our pearls before swine.
PLEASE realize that a so-called naïve teenager may in reality be a 40 yr old cyber bully or predator.
PLEASE don't think it's God's will that we waste our time with useless debates with trolls while we neglect the true friends we have on this site.
PLEASE if you suspect foul play, don't feed the trolls! Let them die off in starvation!
