Lies, Infidelity and Forgivness

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Quest20

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#81
This is not love. Whatever you are falling for in these men, is something that you are projecting and allowing them into your life which they do not deserve. I had a girl fall for me once who held out this emotional feeling for a year. But we did not know each other, and it was not because I understood how she felt or why. Now I could have exploited her, and used this relationship, but I did not.

Self knowledge is an important thing. Knowing someone gives you attention is not love, it is you devalue yourself so much, that just getting attention is better than none. You need to work on what you value in yourself, what you do well, or enjoy.

To get love from another, they have to earn that love, and it has to be with a focus that deserves intimacy. It is easy to break the rules and just get involved, but that is just a mess, and not special, it is like selling yourself to anyone who comes along, which devalues them as well as yourself. The issue with intimacy is the rules by which you deliver it, is also the value your partner will consider it also. So if you devalue yourself, then that is what they also do in return.

The lie is when you say, but no one will give me attention then. That is never the case, it is just you do not yet value what you are and provide something for others to participate in which both of you value.
I was and am a very difficult person to date. Meaning that I don't sell myself to anyone that comes along on account of wanting attention. He had to work to enter into a relationship with me. I don't date just anybody.
 
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sunburn

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#82
I was and am a very difficult person to date. Meaning that I don't sell myself to anyone that comes along on account of wanting attention. He had to work to enter into a relationship with me. I don't date just anybody.
Quest 20 I know how hard it is but you should count blessing you were not married to him.

SURE IT HURTS. And I pray you heal from that hurt. But yu see it takes one mistake to throw you into the dark side. you might be a good girl not dating much but it means nothing when you make one mistake and fall on the wrong person.
trust me even the right person makes mistake.

I didn't date much either. my ex husband was my first boyfriend and everything. still I was betrayed to the worst possible way, now I am a single mum like any other single mum out there, I am divorced like a big curse on me and looked down in church and I had to check myself from STDs too even though I was married.

It is only God that heal my heart and the road is long but I know He has cleansed me. You need to find the strength somewhere to battle this depression and regain control of your life. Do not hand it over to pain but to hope and trust God. It's the only way.
 
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blue_ladybug

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#83
alot of men are dogs. This guy is no different. He's obviously a player, and probably has several women beyond you, his fiancee and his ex-wife. People who play games never stop, they enjoy it. Their selfish and greedy in that aspect. You are so much better off without him because if you think it's hard NOW, think how much more difficult it wouldve been after you had married him. His fiancee is gonna find out fast about what a player he is. Don't waste any more of your time or tears on this bum. You deserve so much better than a dog with fleas..lol.. :)
 
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Quest20

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#84
I dreamed last night that he has a sex addiction. I cant escape it. Things have felt better since praying.
 

PopClick

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If he wants to be around an artificial person like that, who thinks looks and fancy stuff is the bomb, then let him go. You're better off without him.
He probably "kept you around" because he wanted the best of both worlds--a floozy on the side, and a loving girlfriend/ wife at home.
Are you saying that the other fiancée is "artificial" because she has a nice house and cars? And are you calling the other fiancée a "floozy" and assuming that Quest20 would have been the loving wife/girlfriend in this equation? What if the other fiancée had written this thread? Would you be trying to convince her that surely Quest20 is "artificial" and... that other thing you said? Do you think that the other woman would be delighted to find out that her fiancé was engaged to Quest? Do you realize that they are in basically the same position as each other? Why are you trying to vilify one of them for no real reason?

and liars don't stop lying..their incapable of telling the truth.. and a cheater never stops cheating..
Once a cheater, always a cheater. It's like a sickness or addiction to them, and they can't stop.
They change, by God's grace and with His help, if they want to change.
 

PopClick

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I dreamed last night that he has a sex addiction. I cant escape it. Things have felt better since praying.
Quest, I hope that lots of growth and healing and comfort is coming your way. I will pray that it is.
 
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Quest20

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#87
Are you saying that the other fiancée is "artificial" because she has a nice house and cars? And are you calling the other fiancée a "floozy" and assuming that Quest20 would have been the loving wife/girlfriend in this equation? What if the other fiancée had written this thread? Would you be trying to convince her that surely Quest20 is "artificial" and... that other thing you said? Do you think that the other woman would be delighted to find out that her fiancé was engaged to Quest? Do you realize that they are in basically the same position as each other? Why are you trying to vilify one of them for no real reason?



They change, by God's grace and with His help, if they want to change.
Because who becomes engaged after 4 months
 
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Quest20

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I saw his mother yesterday. It was in a parking lot. I pretended to take forever to get out of the car, but it is like she waited on me. She wants me to call her the next time I cook
 
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Because who becomes engaged after 4 months
Ummm...my parents.

They met in June, were engaged in July and married in November...and it will be 50 years this November.

Also, my sister. She had the first date with her husband the Friday after Thanksgiving and were engaged on New Year's Day and married in September. It's been nine years for them.

So, ya know, it happens....and sometimes it works.
 

blue_ladybug

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Are you saying that the other fiancée is "artificial" because she has a nice house and cars? And are you calling the other fiancée a "floozy" and assuming that Quest20 would have been the loving wife/girlfriend in this equation? What if the other fiancée had written this thread? Would you be trying to convince her that surely Quest20 is "artificial" and... that other thing you said? Do you think that the other woman would be delighted to find out that her fiancé was engaged to Quest? Do you realize that they are in basically the same position as each other? Why are you trying to vilify one of them for no real reason?


1.) IMO, if a person thinks they have to have alot of material possessions, ie, cars, houses, etc, then yes they ARE artificial because they value materialism over anything else.

2.) I'm not assuming that Quest was the loving gf here. The fact is, she WAS. And if the fiancee had written this thread, I would've told her to leave the guy alone because he already had a gf in Quest. She probably knew about Quest long before Quest knew about her.

3.) I'm not trying to vilify anyone. IF the other girl knew about Quest, then she should have ended the relationship with the guy. She didn't and now their engaged. As for the question Quest asked about who gets engaged after 4 months, the answer is, a foolish person, that's who. It takes alot longer than a few months to REALLY get to know someone. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell right off, that this guy is a player.


4.) Liars and cheaters don't change, unless as you said, they WANT to. This guy obviously doesn't want to, because he enjoys his double life too much. Quest is alot better off without him.


JMO
 
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Quest20

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#93
Ummm...my parents.

They met in June, were engaged in July and married in November...and it will be 50 years this November.

Also, my sister. She had the first date with her husband the Friday after Thanksgiving and were engaged on New Year's Day and married in September. It's been nine years for them.

So, ya know, it happens....and sometimes it works.
I bet your sister wasnt snooping in his cellphone though.
 
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Quest20

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#94
Are you saying that the other fiancée is "artificial" because she has a nice house and cars? And are you calling the other fiancée a "floozy" and assuming that Quest20 would have been the loving wife/girlfriend in this equation? What if the other fiancée had written this thread? Would you be trying to convince her that surely Quest20 is "artificial" and... that other thing you said? Do you think that the other woman would be delighted to find out that her fiancé was engaged to Quest? Do you realize that they are in basically the same position as each other? Why are you trying to vilify one of them for no real reason?


1.) IMO, if a person thinks they have to have alot of material possessions, ie, cars, houses, etc, then yes they ARE artificial because they value materialism over anything else.

2.) I'm not assuming that Quest was the loving gf here. The fact is, she WAS. And if the fiancee had written this thread, I would've told her to leave the guy alone because he already had a gf in Quest. She probably knew about Quest long before Quest knew about her.

3.) I'm not trying to vilify anyone. IF the other girl knew about Quest, then she should have ended the relationship with the guy. She didn't and now their engaged. As for the question Quest asked about who gets engaged after 4 months, the answer is, a foolish person, that's who. It takes alot longer than a few months to REALLY get to know someone. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell right off, that this guy is a player.


4.) Liars and cheaters don't change, unless as you said, they WANT to. This guy obviously doesn't want to, because he enjoys his double life too much. Quest is alot better off without him.


JMO
I am pretty sure she was deleting my texts long before we spoke
 

PopClick

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1.) IMO, if a person thinks they have to have alot of material possessions, ie, cars, houses, etc, then yes they ARE artificial because they value materialism over anything else.

2.) I'm not assuming that Quest was the loving gf here. The fact is, she WAS. And if the fiancee had written this thread, I would've told her to leave the guy alone because he already had a gf in Quest. She probably knew about Quest long before Quest knew about her.

3.) I'm not trying to vilify anyone. IF the other girl knew about Quest, then she should have ended the relationship with the guy. She didn't and now their engaged. As for the question Quest asked about who gets engaged after 4 months, the answer is, a foolish person, that's who. It takes alot longer than a few months to REALLY get to know someone. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell right off, that this guy is a player.


4.) Liars and cheaters don't change, unless as you said, they WANT to. This guy obviously doesn't want to, because he enjoys his double life too much. Quest is alot better off without him.


JMO
Nobody said that the other woman thought she had to have a lot of material possessions, or that she valued materialism above everything else. She has possessions, but that does not necessarily make her "artificial".

You are still assuming much. Quest had never said that the other woman knew about her or even is aware of her now (though she might be, I don't know). I take issue with you calling her a "floozy" and assuming that she is the villain and not a loving girlfriend, when in fact that might be exactly what she is.

I agree that the guy is a player. He obviously should not have two fiancées. But the other woman might not have done a single thing wrong. Can we at least not call her names?

The guy in question doesn't want to change, is not repenting, and should definitely be dumped. No argument here. But you said that cheaters never stop, in fact cannot stop cheating, and that is what I disagreed with. They most certainly can, though of course many do not want to.
 
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Quest20

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so most likely, she knew about you before you realized who she was. If so, she should have ended the relationship with him and booted him to the curb.
Sometimes lines need to be read between. You dont just randomly tell someone to stop texting your fiance. She was fed up with me from probably snooping before
 
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Quest20

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#98
I have been crying on and off today. I basically went to a party yesterday. It was 3 girls there that have been in the same thing. Their ex have 10-13 kids with 4 kids being born in the same year. This is a circle of men that my ex joined. it is hard to not think he didnt do this to fit in :(
 
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soccermom19

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Quest, I sincerely feel your pain! I know how hard it is, but you need to distance yourself from all things having to do with him and his friends and family. It will get easier with time if you stay true to yourself and avoid these situations as much as possible. However, being around other women who are also hurt in the same way can help. It just isn't good to mourn your lost relationship all the time. Go have some fun or quiet time. Whichever you prefer. And when you do, don't give him a second thought.
He missed out on a great thing. You narrowly escaped a terrible thing. Try celebrating your escape and see if you feel better.
Hang in there. Stay strong! God is with you. I am praying for you.
 
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Quest20

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Thanks. I try. His family is friends with a lot of my family. Its hard but i try. I am going to a concert tomm. Time for fun