~~~ Little confused... little angry... re: Islam

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Ultimatum77

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chanchuinchoy said:
The bible tells us that there is ONLY 1 GOD. The God that you've mentioned earlier are idols . THEY ARE NOT GOD
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I don't get your point? There is only 1 God, the God of Israel...allah is not that god....allah is an idol....what's not clear about that? allah is not the same as Yahweh.

Your quote:
" They worshipped the same God as we do."

No they don't, I sincerely hope you are a Christian that is just misled into thinking that, because if you're really a muslim and trying to pull this crap on this forum, it ain't going to fly man, Christians aren't hacking people up, raping non-christian women and being intolerant....

here is a fact....most muslim countries have religious intolerance meaning no christians hindus, no worship centers for them etc....yet supposed christian countries allow mosques and islam to be practiced unabated....that is the biggest sign of intolerance that muslims can not refute....

Nobody who truly worships Yahweh is into dominating others, domination is from the devil, guess who likes to bully others forcefully into their religion? Jews no, Christians no, Muslims YES!

 
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You misunderstood me. The muslims worship the same God as we do based on the fact that their Quran is the same as OT in our bible (thats why i said we worship the same God). All people mentioned in the OT of the bible also appeared in the Quran with the same story. But they are not true because they do not believe Jesus is the Messiah sent by God. The bible clarly tells us if we don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah, there is nO truth in us.

To put in a nutshell, what iam saying is this: Muslims and Christians worshiped the same God but they (muslims) are not saved because they don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
 
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I only agree with 50% of what you said, Muslims don't believe in Jesus and are not saved correct....but if you research about it you can not conclude allah is Yahweh, their own scriptures prove it from the verses/suras and also the character of Yahweh and allah are totally opposite, one cares about his creation the other just pushes it away and watches from a far.....

https://carm.org/god-islam-christianity-same

Is Allah of Islam the same as Yahweh of Christianity? | Columbia International University

Allah is not the God of the Bible

If you still want to believe that you can, it's your life....but I do not...we can agree to disagree....
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
Do you believed the bible to be the whole truth? The bible said that there is only ONE God whom is the maker of heaven and Earth?
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Ahhh dude don't try that spin, it won't work here, God of the Bible is different then god of the koran.....they are not the same...you keep repeating the same thing over and over to make people assimilate your view...sadly it's not working...god of the koran contradicts the God of the Bible....end of story....the Bible does not say Mohammed was a man of YHWH does it??? my point exactly two different books and two different deity's. You cannot have chrislam or christuism...you either leave islam/hinduism etc and follow Christ or don't, there is no synthesis between religions...light does not fellowship with dark...
 
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ramx2016

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You know I have said this for years.... These things MUST happen... and they are just going to get worse no matter what we say or do... I mean NO ONE on earth can explain some of the incredibly idiotic things we have done.. they just happen... sorry...

I agree 10000% as bad as Sadam and his kids (UGH!! hated those kids!!) were ... the world would never be in the shape it's in now if we didn't kill him and Qaddafi

O you can thank Mrs. Clinton for 1/2 of this with her Arab Spring non sense!!
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
Do you believed the bible to be the whole truth? The bible said that there is only ONE God whom is the maker of heaven and Earth?
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Pretending to be a Christian but talking like a Muslim isn't wise, mate. We can see through your sham.
 
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Well said. If only us Christians were as devoted to our God as the Islamic belief is. I hate the things that are going on in the world. I fear and worry for my family and children all the time. Almost everyday I have thoughts of how horrible things are and Ho things can be but in my mind I go back and forth between that and trying to focus on the good in my life that's here now. All I pray and ask God for all the time is to keep me and my family safe from tragic harm (terrorism, crazy people, rape etc.). That's all I desire more than anything else in my life. I know he's no respecter of persons but that's my hearts desire...my main hearts desire.
 
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Chozzen said:
Well said. If only us Christians were as devoted to our God as the Islamic belief is. I hate the things that are going on in the world. I fear and worry for my family and children all the time. Almost everyday I have thoughts of how horrible things are and Ho things can be but in my mind I go back and forth between that and trying to focus on the good in my life that's here now. All I pray and ask God for all the time is to keep me and my family safe from tragic harm (terrorism, crazy people, rape etc.). That's all I desire more than anything else in my life. I know he's no respecter of persons but that's my hearts desire...my main hearts desire.
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Chozzen, that was very heart felt and appreciated! I know many of us feel the exact same you you do about our families and pray exactly as you do...:)

And you are his Child and He loves You just as you love your own children.... you are not a "person" to Him... He created you and wanted YOU to live as part of His plan - for better or worse on EARTH he wanted you to enjoy ETERNAL life in heaven... :)
 
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You think and believed that there are 2 Gods in heaven at least. I believed that there is only 1 stand being corrected. As you said agree to disagree and lets see how it goes.
 
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There are so many religion in this world. Each religion claimed that their God is the true God. How do us christians prove beyond reasonable doubt that our God, the creator of heaven and earth, God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac is the only genuine God whom mankind can depend on for justice, righteousness etc.....

At the same time please remember Satan is like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. The bible also tells us that Satan is a master deceiver. He is very good at deceiving mankind.
 
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u r true, muslims have strong "iman" and "taqwa" always go masjid n avoid haram
 
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It is not our job to prove to anyone that God exists. The great commission that has been entrusted to those who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour is to preach the good news, the gospel message, of Jesus purposed from before creation to lead us out of bondage and reconcile us to God, through His propitiatory sacrifice on the cross, which paid the penalty for the sins of the world, and His subsequent resurrection and ascension, to sit at the right hand of the Father as our great high priest, mediating on our behalf. Muslims do not just not believe that Christ ascended, neither do they believe that Jesus was crucified. The crux of Christianity is made null and void in Islam. Holding an adulterous war mongering pedophile up as a paragon of virtue and exemplary role model surely ought to tip some people off that Islam can hardly be the peace loving religion they want us to believe it is. Don't forget they are encouraged to lie for the cause of the spread of Islam.
 
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i only worship god.... n am not gonna chop any1 head off, mayb chop carrot and cucumber for salad
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
You think and believed that there are 2 Gods in heaven at least. I believed that there is only 1 stand being corrected. As you said agree to disagree and lets see how it goes.
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I don't need your correction because I'm not wrong and you won't admit that Yahweh is not allah....here let me break it down for you one more time

Yahweh is in Heaven....allah is in hell he is lucifer with another name got it? Let me repeat just in case that did not sink in...Yahweh is in Heaven and allah is in hell.....

I think you're a muslim just wanting to start dissent in a Christian thread for the sake of argument....you don't have any proof nor are willing to have normal discussion...just repetitive statements that I have refuted yet like propaganda machine you keep spewing the same statement over and over and over.....Please if you have nothing else to say let's leave it at that...repeating the same statement over and over (like communists) does not mean it's true...
 
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This is the new age problem of mankind ie self denial. They denied what is truth and exchange it with what is false. They can continue to be like that but one day, they are the ones suffering.
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
Uhm, guys? I went to Marrakesh , a Muslim country.
Some of the women wore burkas, most did not.
Some people prayed when the call to prayer came, others kept minding their shops
There was a church just across the road from a mosque
There even was a synagogue

Those of you who say all Muslims are evil should be careful with your judgement
Imagine if we Christians decided to live by OT laws, that would make us JUST like the extremists of Islam

There ARE many extremists yes, they should NOT be allowed to do what they do, but we cannot judge them all based on them. People have mentioned persecution of Christians... but who has called Christians to persecute other groups?

I pray that Morocco may remain free.... that those form Islam that are evil will never defeat those that are not, because it would break my heart to see that place in the hands of ISIS or anything like them
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That only proves that not all muslims follow their doctrine. The quran and the hadiths and pretty much every piece of writing commands to fight and kill the unbeliever, tells the muslims that they are the greatest of all mankind, and that Christians and Jews (those of the scriptures) are the lowest of creatures who will surely burn in hell, teaches them that muslims are peaceful among themselves, but hard against the unbelievers, to not take the Christians and Jews as friends, to push them to the edge of the sidewalk and never to say hello to them first when walking by them, and that their day of Resurrection will not come until they are gathered against the Jew, that the rock cries out "oh muslim, there is a Jew behind me. So come kill him".

Its not muslims you should hate, you should love them and pray for them. But you should definitely hate Islam.
(old post but wanted to share my opinion)
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
Do you believed the bible to be the whole truth? The bible said that there is only ONE God whom is the maker of heaven and Earth?
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I will say, claiming to be one god doesnt make it the same as the God of Abraham.

Daniel tells us in chapter 7 that the anti christ will honor a god of fortresses. Thats one single god. That doesnt make it God, though. Its just another fallen angel leading people to a false gospel in order to lead them away from Him.
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
This is the new age problem of mankind ie self denial. They denied what is truth and exchange it with what is false. They can continue to be like that but one day, they are the ones suffering.
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If this quote was intended for me....there is no new age problem that I have in fact my answer debunks the new age view of having a universal god for all religions which is what is said when you say God of Israel is the god of islam...it's not...and no im not suffering for telling the truth...really Yeraza_Bats answer is enough to debunk your comment...I would rather tell people the truth and have them get mad then actually have them suffer from hell from being deceived and uninformed....at least they know the info...it's their choice if they accept it or not...muslims do not worship YHWH and will not go to heaven...like I say...."truth hurts but it's good for you to know"....
 
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