men and sexual sin

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hattiebod

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Thank you! :) I hardly think that my terrible experience and struggle in this type of sin would be something pleasant to hear about...i had been deeply ashamed of this for a very long time. I had even questioned my salvation because of this major failing in my life...but God has been so faithful, bringing me always to that night He came when i called, and changed my life forever. I knew that it could never be a lie...everything He has revealed to me. And by my strength and will, i could never have changed myself overnight. It is only His love, His power, and His fire that could move me and keep doing so. Now, He has shown me what it was for: His glory. I will praise Him and thank Him, and love Him forever for what He has done, is doing, and will continue to do in my life, and in all our lives! God is awesome!! Words just aren't enough to express just how wonderful He is...so it is only right to offer up our lives to Him out of love and worship.

I hope to continue to inspire others with the lessons He has taught me through this life and His Word. May we all continue to grow strong and steadfast in Him, covered in His holiness, and secure in His love!! :)
Thank you for your testimony, you need not be ashamed to declare the love He has shown, freely given, to you, His precious child. It's wonderful to read, not of your pain but how He released you from the prison, the darkness, into the light :) You can now grow and blossom into all He has in store for you, it's so exciting. Things may be tough of course, we are not promised an easy road but I always think the road may be uphill, full of pot holes too, but I am walking with Jesus!! So we shall press on with hope. God Bless you and may you know and live out His forgiveness, be His light and shine bright :) <><
 

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i hope i dont upset anyone with this post but its something i really feel i need to get some feed bk on.

men... why does sexual sin happen, in that its in the news alot lately, on men raping under age girls, killing little girls or abducting them. catholics with the rape of young boys. i just dont understand how on earth men get it in there head that these things are ok. why SOME men feel its ok to over power everyone in frount of them to degrate and make the victim feel degrading and mentaly scared for the rest of there lives, while they walk around thinking its a normal thing.

is it because young men arnt told to respect other people now, or is it a fact of life.
is there anything in the bible to why?
what can we do about it?

God bless x
it begins with puberty that sets in and this world goes and sellby sexual inuendos that have led to reprobate minds as in

2 Timothy 3:8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
being twisted at some point and isincredibly sad to take the drive that far, and to me there is no excuse, one need hold themselve accountable for their own flesh attitudes as in not caring for others.
I know all everyone comes to Puberty at one point and things like sex take off and masturbation, and so on and so forth, some learn to control it others do not and those that don't even try listen to the enemy and wax worse and worse and doas Sodom and Gomorrah did and this take away others free will. We are all here to live together, and why we can't by not taking away anothers wish is because of selfishness, that each of us are born with and are in need of life by God through Christ and this life is in the resurrection of Christ, us by this now haveiing compassion one for another and my prayer is this type of evil stop and the only I see it will is and as one person at a time beleives and recieves compassion and consideration first before acting and or reacting to conflicts that are only of the flesh carnal nature
And so I pray for all to come to God for life and thus can't harm their neighbor even if they have thoughts of
I myself remember growing up and having desire for sex and all. I remember all kinds of temptations some I succumbed to and otehrs I said no can't go that far,and I thank God that he saved me from ever going too far as in harming anyone against their free will.
 
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All I can say is...

"Do not fret because of evil men or be envious of those who do wrong; for like the grass they will soon wither, like green plants they will soon die away."- Psalm 37:1-2

"Be still before the Lord and wait patiently for him; do not fret when men succeed in their ways, when they carry out their wicked schemes. Refrain from anger and turn from wrath; do not fret- it leads only to evil. For evil men will be cut off, but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land." Psalm 37:7-9

^^^ That helps me when I'm really torqued about how bad people can be.
 
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Exactly! But society is fugged up so there's a double-standard: It's not abuse/molestation/rape because the male 'victim' must have enjoyed it. Screw you, society!

Western Culture


The feminist movement taught women to see themselves as victims of an oppressive patriarchy. ... Self-imposed victimhood is not a recipe for happiness. My analysis is that the gays are about 5% of the attack on marriage in this country, and the feminists are about 95%. Feminism is doomed to failure because it base on an attempt to repeal and restructure human nature. Phyllis Schlafly

Well, one part of this statement is inaccurate, feminists have succeeded in the U.S. Men today do not know how to treat heterosexual women or be masculine without being weak or abusive: The others are afraid of the civil court system and are opting out to have children or marry. Heterosexuals in the U.S. do not trust each other. This fear is not by accident. The causes of these fears are by design—social engineering.

“Never Waste a Good Crisis”<this famous quote was made by whom? :rolleyes:

The focus by the civil court system is not the integrity of family. Family Crisis drives the legal industry for gain (the love of money) just as the prison industrial complex. Simply stated, these issues make money and lots of it. These behaviors belong to the world.

Satan uses divisive tactics to keep humanity’s focus off the real issues of living--Jesus. He is successful among most social groups because he hides behind a vale of “non-existence”.

Spiritually, this should not become behavior for the Bride of Christ, which is composed of neither male nor female. The world does what their father (Satan) rewards them to do. This enemy does not have concerns for gender or race—he is a harvester of souls by death in sin. "It" will use women, men, sexual pleasures, gender issues, or any other free will fleshly desires of humanity as a means of distraction from true living (life) in Jesus. We as saints should not allow these issues to become our way of life and fear of heterosexual relationships in Christ Jesus.


Men in the U.S. will always be the blame for whatever goes wrong in this society. It is corporate way of "divide and conquer" and it's working very well.
 
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I can't speak for all men but I can say that there are times when as a male you can become so aroused that you basically lose the ability to fully rationalize your actions and at that point you become capable of almost anything. It's a scary place to be because things that you would never do or even consider when in a more coherent state of mind, seem logical to you. But once that state of arousal is over and done with you think Wow, did I seriously just consider that?
It's a lot like Jeckyl and Hyde. It's what happened when my daughter was conceived. Her mother and I were neighbors but we weren't friends and we didn't even like one another all that much. She was a couple of years older than me and a couple of grades higher up in school. We didn't have the same friends or belong to the same cliques or anything. But a situation arose when we were together and alone and it seemed like a good idea. The fact that we had no birth control didn't phase us, even though I certainly knew it was a bad idea on so many levels. When we were done it was really awkward like "Eww did I just do that with Her?" I'm sure she felt the same way about me. But nothing short of a lightning bolt would have stopped me beforehand. I was totally a slave to my hormones and desire. If that makes sense.
It's one reason I'm worried about my little girl dating when she gets older. I know how guys think and the pressures were under. Not all of us are strong enough to ignore those impulses.
I'm not saying rapists or sexual predators should be excused because of it. I'm just saying it plays a role.
Genesis 39:11 One day, Joseph went to Potiphar’s house to do his work, and none of the other servants were there. 12 Potiphar’s wife grabbed hold of his coat and said, “Make love to me!” Joseph ran out of the house, leaving her hanging onto his coat.

I am sure this is not the first time Potiphar's wife engaged in "servant sexual activity". Joseph loved the Lord more than he feared her husband. He was also aware of being sexually aroused and got away from her as fast as he could. Moreover, he removed himself from a compromising situation.
 

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Men are bombarded with sexual imagery through the media and advertising from the moment we get up in the morning till bedtime. For men who process so much through the eye gate, it means we have to battle with issues previous generations never did. Also it now seems to be acceptable for men to father children then walk away and unfortunately Mummy's latest boyfriend may not may not feel any connection with children that aren't his. I know of one family where the children were happy when their parents split as they felt they were now like the rest of the children in their class whose birth parents were no longer together. I really think we need to start standing up fearlessly for Bible values (esp in the UK where society has turned its back on them). Teach men what the Bible says about being a man, husband and father as this society really has devalued what a man is, has taught us we're irrelevant to society, and has loaded us with guilt over the poor treatment of women that has occurred over history.
How about teach what the Love of God really is best described in 1 cor 13, this is the type of Love that he puts in us when we beleive just not all of us see this, because we are we can't do this type of love, and therefore we do not see truth as truth and become predudicial in place of God's love spare the the rod has to do with with God's type of Love, but discipline has been taken out and parents toiday get into trouble for abuse, and I am sure this is true but not in all cases. Anyway discipline in God's Love is important
And I remember being disciplined being spanked by my Dad and Mom in the background, saying Mu Son we do this because we love you. Ofcoarse I did not understand at the time. But now she said some other wise things like don't judge a book by its cover, and later I understood walk a mile in anothers shoes befoire you make a descision of who they are. All in all let us pray that these things somehow get thwarted and the person(s) change their mind and love their neighbor as themselves, asking themselves how woudld theu feel if this was done to them.
And I know a lot dothis becasue it was and is being done to them and therefore lashing out to get relief and yet do not.
Praying for them to see and get help, first by seeking God out the creator of all.
I just saw the Elizabeth Smart Story and I am in shock over it, hard to face the reality of what others might think and then seek control of others, it is sick and this person tha tdid this needs help true help to see the error of his ways. And Ihope he comes to see whatever punishment he gets is deserved and he comes to truly hold himself accountable and asks to suffer
oh well i will quit now,it has upset me deeply
Love never rejoices in wrong doing
 

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Thank you! :) I hardly think that my terrible experience and struggle in this type of sin would be something pleasant to hear about...i had been deeply ashamed of this for a very long time. I had even questioned my salvation because of this major failing in my life...but God has been so faithful, bringing me always to that night He came when i called, and changed my life forever. I knew that it could never be a lie...everything He has revealed to me. And by my strength and will, i could never have changed myself overnight. It is only His love, His power, and His fire that could move me and keep doing so. Now, He has shown me what it was for: His glory. I will praise Him and thank Him, and love Him forever for what He has done, is doing, and will continue to do in my life, and in all our lives! God is awesome!! Words just aren't enough to express just how wonderful He is...so it is only right to offer up our lives to Him out of love and worship.

I hope to continue to inspire others with the lessons He has taught me through this life and His Word. May we all continue to grow strong and steadfast in Him, covered in His holiness, and secure in His love!! :)
Sister the more one is loved the more that one will love. Great Ex: Saul who became Paul
 

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Genesis 39:11 One day, Joseph went to Potiphar’s house to do his work, and none of the other servants were there. 12 Potiphar’s wife grabbed hold of his coat and said, “Make love to me!” Joseph ran out of the house, leaving her hanging onto his coat.

I am sure this is not the first time Potiphar's wife engaged in "servant sexual activity". Joseph loved the Lord more than he feared her husband. He was also aware of being sexually aroused and got away from her as fast as he could. Moreover, he removed himself from a compromising situation.
Yes he did because he had love for his neighbor and knew how he would feelif he were the Husband, so he could not do it and he paid for doing what was right, put in Jail I think it was 13 years and he stayed steadfast in trusting God, and the time came that his brothers bowed down to him as he had told them they would and he still did not hold against them their sin that they did against him. And he told them this had they not done waht they did he would not be where hewas at that time forthe Family to be saved
So do we now see Romans 8:28
Let's put our faith in God here and now and strat thanking God for whatever position we are in right now good or bad because.
So let us each "excercise" Faith in God through Christ.
 
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i hope i dont upset anyone with this post but its something i really feel i need to get some feed bk on.

men... why does sexual sin happen, in that its in the news alot lately, on men raping under age girls, killing little girls or abducting them. catholics with the rape of young boys. i just dont understand how on earth men get it in there head that these things are ok. why SOME men feel its ok to over power everyone in frount of them to degrate and make the victim feel degrading and mentaly scared for the rest of there lives, while they walk around thinking its a normal thing.

is it because young men arnt told to respect other people now, or is it a fact of life.
is there anything in the bible to why?
what can we do about it?

God bless x
I think every problem in society has its roots in the way society treats others. Not necessarily just how men treat women, but how society says a person should treat everyone else.

In someone's life, there is, i'd say almost 100% of the time, something that made that person the way that they are. We've all heard the stories, boy (or girl) gets abused, and grows up to be an abuser. I don't really think that being taught respect has a lot to do with it. People's perceptions of the world are shaped by what has happened in their lives.

A lot of men aren't like these men you're talking about, and a lot of women aren't like that either.

But I can hazard a guess that at some point, these men (or women) felt powerless, or suppressed, bullied, empty, angry, abused, wrong, invalid, hated, or deserving, entitled, whatever it may be. It's not an excuse for an awful violent act, but it can be a reason; an answer to the 'why' that you pose.

To be honest, I've often felt disrespected myself, and although I'm no awful killer, I do feel marginalized, unknown, misunderstood and often downtrodden by the way the world works, particularly by the burden's laid on men in our society; it often feels as though every problem, be it marital, familial, or sexual, is men's fault. And I sometimes crave to be able to take back control of my life and not to be put in the box with everyone else's expectations and blame games.

I could easily say that men are marginalized, invalidated and made to feel often as helpless as women have felt throughout the years.

Personally, I'd like nothing more than the privilege of having a woman in my life who sees me beneath the surface rather than as a checklist of what I 'have'. Again, that's a result of my experiences and that's how I feel; not necessarily how it really is. The point is, I'm just illustrating that it's really all down to one's perception and one's life events; these things shape people into who they are. And often, the downtrodden become the bitter, the bitter become the cynical, and the cynical become the bullies.

Life can get the better of people and twist people, churn people and make people feel powerless, and they sometimes go to extreme measures to get 'one up' on the world.

I'm not excusing anything, by the way. I'm just trying to illustrate that things aren't always black and white, although there's no 'excuse' for these awful things, there are reasons beyond just respect.

If you keep an animal in a cage long enough, and prod it with a stick, even if it's the most placid animal you can find, eventually the animal turns angry at it's owner.

Take relationships, for example. We are often taught, as young men, about women's rights. And I'm all for women's rights. But we are often also drilled into us, that women are fragile creatures, deserving of all our time and effort. Yet women are taught of men's brutality, our oppression, anger. It often feels as though women are portrayed to be somehow morally and intellectually better and more refined than men.

We don't hear about the evil women of the world because they aren't portrayed the same, they are more unheard of, and more likely to be overlooked. But female abuse most certainly exists.

Now perhaps that's cynical, and perhaps my view of the world is flawed, but that's my feelings on the matter. That's how I've come to think, because many times I have been let down, hurt, and been left feeling inadequate. I've been cheated on and often left feeling powerless, even though I wasn't a 'bad' partner, I just wasn't what society expects the 'MR Perfect' ideal to be. And I can sympathize with a lot of women in this respect too.

The media pumps out images of perfect models with perfect airbrushed bodies and faces and often men (particularly young men), won't go for a woman who doesn't fit into this image somewhat; hence the massive make-up, clothing and cosmetic surgery industries.

But to be awfully frank, I prefer women who don't wear a lot of make-up. Women who don't particularly aspire to be what society wants them to be, and who don't particularly aspire to have the 'Mr Perfect' that society says they deserve.

We are not perfect. I am not perfect. You are not perfect. I think the whole world could benefit from some real self-reflection on this point. We live in an age of entitlement and harshness. Morality is a concept that comes second to 'getting what I want'.

I have had women leave me for the silliest reasons; for guys who have more muscles than I do, who look better, who make more money; reasons that I could never see myself leaving my partner for. And it does make me wonder a bit about double standards.

If a person wants to be equal and not to be treated shallowly and irreverently, really that person should also display the same willingness to treat others accordingly.

My point is, not that 'one party' or 'one group' is to blame for the world's woes; but that the world could really benefit from taking a stark, inward look at itself in these respects, particularly where sex and relationships are concerned.

Less and less men are willing to settle into marriage, into committed relationships and into healthy practices and open honesty with women, and one of the top reasons cited is because 'women are no longer women anymore'. Men do not trust women as they would have. Because they feel society has made it very much too easy for us to be taken advantage of. Most of these men who were asked in a study I recently read, said that there was no real benefit to marriage anymore, and far too much risk involved. Loyalty was listed as most of these men's number one trait that they look for in partners. That says something to me. It's no longer a given that people will work at marriage and be faithful to one another anymore.

I have heard many stories about cheating men, don't get me wrong, we are not innocent, and about abusive men and about abusive partner's, but it isn't a male only thing. It's just much easier to spot in men, because we are generally physically stronger, and seen to be more powerful and dominating than women are.

Relationships are no longer as important and meaningful as they once were and there's been a breakdown of communication. The world is now very much 'men vs women', something that I really don't like.

We can't just blame men for the way the world thinks about the opposite sex, or women. It's down to each individual character and whether they conform to society's views and join a side or whether they realize the real extent of 'human abuse' on all fronts.
 
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I can personally say I've been emotionally abused for a large part of my life, particularly by women, and it's done under the guise of 'trying to help', that old adage that gives us all Stockholm Syndrome. Invalidated, punished or ostracized for making accidental and unavoidable mistakes. I've been verbally abused, been a victim of double standards. Made to feel inadequate, shut out, bullied.

It isn't just women who feel this kind of thing. And it isn't just women who get sexually, physically, emotionally, or mentally abused. It's just that the female version doesn't get the same media and social attention, because again, men are meant to be 'strong' about it all.
 
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If weakness is not being able to tolerate the world the way it is, then call me weak. But I wake up every morning wishing it was different; that I might be valued for being me and that others would be also. That I could start over with a clean slate and wipe all the negativity out of me.

But my experience has taught me that I will always play second fiddle to a woman's image of her perfect partner and perfect life and what she wants me to become rather than what I am.

Again, that's not necissarily true. But it's an oppression that I have to feel every day. I expect now to be hurt and betrayed, humiliated and put down.

And as much as I wish I could take this advice myself, I can't always. But here it is anyway;

Try not to put everyone in the same box. It's easier said than done but I can more easily look objectively at someone else's issues than I can at my own.

Maybe some day someone will come along and fix me.

That's kinda sad isn't it? I need fixed. But all that infedelity and mistrust and manipulation and betrayal, that's made me expect it from people. If anything, perhaps some kindness and loyalty can change how my world looks.

Just don't fall into the trap of thinking that only men don't know how to respect and value others above themselves.

The whole feminist movement is based on equal rights and independent thought; and it breeds selfishness and undue victim mentality, much like the way the movement for the abolition of slavery has promoted a victim mentality from the African American population.

Everyone is accountable for their own actions though. It's not that these men (or women) who abuse, do so becausr they are men (or women), it's because of their individual circumstance and outlook. And I can personally say I've tried my utmost to treat my partners, and women in general with respect and with loyalty, and the favour has not been returned. But I'll continue to treat my partners as such even though I expect to be messed aeound.

That's my mentality.
 
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Really what Im trying to say is that I've been shown dark places but even the darkest place has colours when the light gets turned on.

Nothing is black and white, and you could spend years getting an answer to the question you asked.

And it's all down to perspective. The world's a funny place with all its cause and effect and there isn't really a definite answer for anything about human nature and the things people do.

But I think if you lift people up, then you have life pretty much sussed.

Giving has a way of bringing peace but taking has a way of bringing anguish and these people, usually, have had something taken from them that they've never been able to get back and so they spend their lives taking.

Most people, when they see these monsters on TV, have hatred, whereas I have pity.

I'd love to see them rid of their demons just like I'd love to see myself rid of mine.
 
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Really what Im trying to say is that I've been shown dark places but even the darkest place has colours when the light gets turned on.

Nothing is black and white, and you could spend years getting an answer to the question you asked.

And it's all down to perspective. The world's a funny place with all its cause and effect and there isn't really a definite answer for anything about human nature and the things people do.

But I think if you lift people up, then you have life pretty much sussed.

Giving has a way of bringing peace but taking has a way of bringing anguish and these people, usually, have had something taken from them that they've never been able to get back and so they spend their lives taking.

Most people, when they see these monsters on TV, have hatred, whereas I have pity.

I'd love to see them rid of their demons just like I'd love to see myself rid of mine.
Dear Porthos, you write so much & so well, yet so much is filled with hurt and dissapointment. You say there is no answer, all is just this way, no definitive way forward. I would like to say there is an answer, His name is Jesus Christ. He holds the keys to life! Life is not pointless and there is happiness, joy, beauty, fullfillment, purpose and SO much love! There is injustice, there is hurt but when we are in a redeemed relationship with Jesus, life makes sense. He guides us, teaches us and comforts us through the dark times. He is a constant light! No darkness. You are young, so wonderfully young! :) You have life that is all ahead of you in all it's fullness. Are you safe in a relationship with Jesus Christ? If not....that would be a place to start, to start living the life He has for you! Start by praising Him. Praise Him and ask that you will know Him and the way you should go. God Bless you, comfort and guide you, <><
 
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I don't like this thread but that's also because the truth is sometimes very unpleasant. Abuse is a viscous cycle. Strange beliefs, a lack of love, broken homes - all of these contribute too. Sometimes I feel guilty just for being a male (but that's not right either).
You should NOT shoulder the guilt of others. If all men were as Christian and conscientious as you, we would not be reading about these horrible events.
 
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Dear Porthos, you write so much & so well, yet so much is filled with hurt and dissapointment. You say there is no answer, all is just this way, no definitive way forward. I would like to say there is an answer, His name is Jesus Christ. He holds the keys to life! Life is not pointless and there is happiness, joy, beauty, fullfillment, purpose and SO much love! There is injustice, there is hurt but when we are in a redeemed relationship with Jesus, life makes sense. He guides us, teaches us and comforts us through the dark times. He is a constant light! No darkness. You are young, so wonderfully young! :) You have life that is all ahead of you in all it's fullness. Are you safe in a relationship with Jesus Christ? If not....that would be a place to start, to start living the life He has for you! Start by praising Him. Praise Him and ask that you will know Him and the way you should go. God Bless you, comfort and guide you, <><
I appreciate your concern hattiebod. I've been looking for God for years, and sometimes I see him; in kindness, and compassion, and patience, and in understanding.

But there is a point where people are led into dark places, to understand them as well. Turning from the dark is one thing, but being led into it and illuminating it is another, you know?

Isaiah 45

This is what the Lord says to his anointed,to Cyrus (which means 'lord' or 'son'), whose right hand I (Isaiah) take hold ofto bring low nations before himand to strip leaders of their armor (what they 'don', which is their perspective),to open doors before him (to walk through)so that gates (representative of going into pasture) will not be shut:2I will go before youand will level the mountains (mountains are seemingly permanent) ;I will break down gates of bronze (bronze is a symbol of strength, and gates are 'the way into the pasture, again, someone's perspective)and cut through bars of iron (the prison one is in at the moment).3I will give you hidden treasures (treasures that are 'shrouded'),riches stored in secret places (again, secret places, that are shrouded),so that you may know that I am the Lord (so that a person can actually realise God in fullness),the God of Israel, who summons you by name (by name. By what you truly are. God shows himself via our own 'name'!).4For the sake of Jacob (supplanter) my servant,of Israel (the later Jacob, 'wrestles with God) my chosen,I summon you by nameand bestow on you a title of honor,even though you do not acknowledge me (even when we don't acknowledge him, but because we 'wrestle', honour is hours for that).5I am the Lord, and there is no other;apart from me there is no God.I will strengthen you (through understanding of him),though you have not acknowledged me (even though we haven't acknowledged the true God, yet at least),6so that from the rising of the sunto the place of its settingpeople may know there is none besides me.I am the Lord, and there is no other.7I form the light and create darkness (he creates darkness. Light is symbolic of realising the true path, and darkness is symbolic of it not yet being illuminated),I bring prosperity and create disaster (we must fall and have troubles in order to understand God);I, the Lord, do all these things (and it's God who brings us to these places).
I believe God does show some of us dark areas and harsh parts of life because when we come out the other side of the tunnel and 'see the light' of what we've been through, so to speak, then we are all the better for it.
 
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This is kind of a translation of that last verse with the symbolism expanded into what I have come to see it means.


This is what the Lord says to whom he favours, his sons
, whose right hands I take hold of to bring low lands with barriers before him and to strip leaders of what character they wear ,to open avenues before him so that the way to life will not be barred for him: I will go before you and will bring down what is established ; I will weaken teachings of the way that seem to be strong and cut through the prison bars that hold you still. I will give you hidden valuable lessons, pearls stored in secret places,so that you may know the Lord that I am ,the God of those who struggle with me, who summons you according to what you are.For the sake of the one who strikes heels, my servant, and (the sake of) of those who struggle with me, (who are) my chosen, I summon you by what you are and bestow on you a title of honor, even though you do not acknowledge me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me (by what I truly am), so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me.I am the Lord, and there is no other.I form the very enlightenment and I am also the one who hides it, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I the Lord do all these things.
 
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I appreciate your concern hattiebod. I've been looking for God for years, and sometimes I see him; in kindness, and compassion, and patience, and in understanding.

But there is a point where people are led into dark places, to understand them as well. Turning from the dark is one thing, but being led into it and illuminating it is another, you know?

Isaiah 45

This is what the Lord says to his anointed,to Cyrus (which means 'lord' or 'son'), whose right hand I (Isaiah) take hold ofto bring low nations before himand to strip leaders of their armor (what they 'don', which is their perspective),to open doors before him (to walk through)so that gates (representative of going into pasture) will not be shut:2I will go before youand will level the mountains (mountains are seemingly permanent) ;I will break down gates of bronze (bronze is a symbol of strength, and gates are 'the way into the pasture, again, someone's perspective)and cut through bars of iron (the prison one is in at the moment).3I will give you hidden treasures (treasures that are 'shrouded'),riches stored in secret places (again, secret places, that are shrouded),so that you may know that I am the Lord (so that a person can actually realise God in fullness),the God of Israel, who summons you by name (by name. By what you truly are. God shows himself via our own 'name'!).4For the sake of Jacob (supplanter) my servant,of Israel (the later Jacob, 'wrestles with God) my chosen,I summon you by nameand bestow on you a title of honor,even though you do not acknowledge me (even when we don't acknowledge him, but because we 'wrestle', honour is hours for that).5I am the Lord, and there is no other;apart from me there is no God.I will strengthen you (through understanding of him),though you have not acknowledged me (even though we haven't acknowledged the true God, yet at least),6so that from the rising of the sunto the place of its settingpeople may know there is none besides me.I am the Lord, and there is no other.7I form the light and create darkness (he creates darkness. Light is symbolic of realising the true path, and darkness is symbolic of it not yet being illuminated),I bring prosperity and create disaster (we must fall and have troubles in order to understand God);I, the Lord, do all these things (and it's God who brings us to these places).
I believe God does show some of us dark areas and harsh parts of life because when we come out the other side of the tunnel and 'see the light' of what we've been through, so to speak, then we are all the better for it.
We agree :) we will all walk through darkness, through fog...indecision and hurt at some points in our lives. It ought not to be such a surprise! As we are not guarenteed immunity from life and all it can throw at us but when we walk with God, it is different. We walk guided, we walk knowing there is light ahead, we may die here on earth and 'suffer' illness and pain but we will go home to the light and to an eternity with our Father. When we hold this true, we approach life with His will always in our hearts....aligning and devoting ourselves to beat the flesh down and to live a life filled with the Spirit. Through no power or strength we may have but simply by the Grace of God. He gives us the strength, the ability to stand. Only when the Spirit is abiding in us can we ever walk with confidence in the dark :) We are a people of hope, who trust despite the darkness around us....that we are not alone and any minute the lights will be turned on :) God Bless you. <><
 

homwardbound

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#58
This is kind of a translation of that last verse with the symbolism expanded into what I have come to see it means.


This is what the Lord says to whom he favours, his sons
, whose right hands I take hold of to bring low lands with barriers before him and to strip leaders of what character they wear ,to open avenues before him so that the way to life will not be barred for him: I will go before you and will bring down what is established ; I will weaken teachings of the way that seem to be strongand cut through the prison bars that hold you still. I will give you hidden valuable lessons, pearls stored in secret places,so that you may know the Lord that I am ,the God of those who struggle with me, who summons you according to what you are.For the sake of the one who strikes heels, my servant, and (the sake of) of those who struggle with me, (who are) my chosen, I summon you by what you are and bestow on you a title of honor, even though you do not acknowledge me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me (by what I truly am), so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me.I am the Lord, and there is no other.I form the very enlightenment and I am also the one who hides it, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I the Lord do all these things.
Maybe Porthos. Isaiah, is a prophesy of Christ that today is filled in Christ
[h=3]Matthew 5:17[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Fulfillment of the Law[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

So the ? is did Christ fulfill the Law and Prophets?

[h=3]Hebrews 1[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]God’s Final Word: His Son[/h]1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, [SUP]2 [/SUP]but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. [SUP]4 [/SUP]So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
 
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Ariel82

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i hope i dont upset anyone with this post but its something i really feel i need to get some feed bk on.

men... why does sexual sin happen, in that its in the news alot lately, on men raping under age girls, killing little girls or abducting them. catholics with the rape of young boys. i just dont understand how on earth men get it in there head that these things are ok. why SOME men feel its ok to over power everyone in frount of them to degrate and make the victim feel degrading and mentaly scared for the rest of there lives, while they walk around thinking its a normal thing.

is it because young men arnt told to respect other people now, or is it a fact of life.
is there anything in the bible to why?
what can we do about it?

God bless x
you know with all the bad news and the rapes and the abuse in the news today. I think about how it must have been for women and children BEFORE Jesus came to the Earth. when no one was outraged by the sex trade, or giving their daughters to a town full of men to be raped or putting a bunch of Pharisees on stakes and lighting them to guide the Saducees into Herods palace or many many other horrible things that people did to one another and still do in parts of the world before Jesus came and revealed His light and truth.

We live in a fallen world. Women do sinful things as well. it is horrible and awful and shows you how the world would be without God's light and truth to reveal the darkness in the hearts of men. people wouldn't be outraged, human sacrifice would still be accepted practices. Canabalism and slavery would not be seen as morally wrong. Monogamy would not even enter the picture. Do you know of any other religion that promotes monogamy?

Jesus changed the world and if we continue to shine His light and give His love to those around us, then God use our lives as living epistles of love to this lost and weary world.

<sorry my bedtime, haven't read other posts. don't know if it makes any sense in the stream of conversation>
 
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i hope i dont upset anyone with this post but its something i really feel i need to get some feed bk on.

men... why does sexual sin happen, in that its in the news alot lately, on men raping under age girls, killing little girls or abducting them. catholics with the rape of young boys. i just dont understand how on earth men get it in there head that these things are ok. why SOME men feel its ok to over power everyone in frount of them to degrate and make the victim feel degrading and mentaly scared for the rest of there lives, while they walk around thinking its a normal thing.

is it because young men arnt told to respect other people now, or is it a fact of life.
is there anything in the bible to why?
what can we do about it?

God bless x
The same could easily be said for women. We live in a society where women are so equal that news outlets discriminate against men in sexual cases to keep feminist groups at bay. News outlets don't mention the mother who raped her 8 year old son 50x (although the news outlets that DID, used the term "had sexual intercourse with") or the woman who had sex with a 14 year old boy and was granted sanctuary in Canada. Had the genders been reversed, she would have been denied sanctuary and would be rotting in jail on her 30 year sentence.

Rape isn't a natural "sexual sin" like lust, it's a crime driven by demons. If I'm sitting in front of a woman, the last thing going through my mind is throwing her to the ground and raping her. It doesn't even matter how hot she is :p

Your question would be the equivalent of me asking you why women have a problem with poisoning their husbands for life insurance money.