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Cino

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Religion and Politics don't match or go together.... never have.... never will.
 
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AMEN Elizabeth619:)

Nautilus Well as a democratic christian...while those things may not be right for me as a christian, I'm not going to deny it for everyone based on a single religions rules especially considering a good percentage don't even follow christianity. people can I grow up and make their own choices. They don't need people being the morality cops for them. Someone wants an abortion or someones gay? Well its their life and their choices.
ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF CHIRST....NAUTILUS.
 
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lcerveny

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Wow, I thought this was a Christian website.
 

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Someone who follows Christ, who taught to love. Not sit around and force beliefs on people but to love them in their flaws. He provided them another way to live without their flaws and he gave us the same opportunity. I have no problems with christians offering nonbelievers that same option...but not to force their theology on the nation

Who knew you could just "sit around" and force people to become Christians!! Maybe we should inform the "religion of peace" they can stop burning down Churches, torturing and beheading Christians, and others, they MUST convert or kill, and after friday prayers declaring yet another day of rage, they start a muslimchat site and "sit around" preaching muhammed, forcing people to Islam!


Good plan Naut!!
 

Nautilus

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Who knew you could just "sit around" and force people to become Christians!! Maybe we should inform the "religion of peace" they can stop burning down Churches, torturing and beheading Christians, and others, they MUST convert or kill, and after friday prayers declaring yet another day of rage, they start a muslimchat site and "sit around" preaching muhammed, forcing people to Islam!


Good plan Naut!!
What? That makes no sense in regards to my answer, some random babbling about islam? who brought up islam? Anyways sorry I dont feel the need to force my beliefs onto others. Guess the whole free will thing only applies to people that agree with you?
 
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didymos

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HOW CAN SOMEONE BE A DEM AND SAY THEY ARE A CHRISTIAN? WHY WOULD A CHRISTIAN SUPPORT A PARTY THAT BELIEVES IN ABORTION AND GAY RIGHTS? I AM NEITHER PARTY BUT WANTED EVERYONE'S FEED BACK ON THIS TOPIC.
There's such a thing as seperation of church and state...
there's also such a thing as lower case letters. :rolleyes:
 
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hospitalpharmacist

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There aren't good or bad parties. Each of them carries something good and something bad. This is due simply because parties are made by men and women and we know that no one is perfect. Our duty I suppose is to try to change what we don't like of our party by for example writing to parliamentaries (I did it), stay active in our communities. It's too easy to complain and do nothing to change the situation.
Regarding your democratic party, I'm against abortions because life is life but I'm not against gays and lesbians. They are our brothers and sisters too so why shouldn't we accept them? They are sinners like each of us. God loves everyone without looking at our sexual orientation.
 
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Leviticus 20:13 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

I think this pretty much says it. I agree God does love us all but can you please explain to me how you can close your eyes to continuous sin? I can see forgiving the sinner when he repents and stops the sin and then that sinner becoming clean and pure in the eyes of God as if he had not sinned. But continuous sin, I just can't see God turning a blind eye to it.
 
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overthechill

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I kind of look to a government for some kind of moral compass, I think. While I agree with Nautilus that I don't want to force a person into this decision or that based on law, I think I look for a government to share in core beliefs and I'm sure I vote for candidates that most closely mimic my own Christian values. Someone asked one time whether "my Jesus" would deny health care to the poor and while I wasn't sure what my Jesus would answer, He most certainly wouldn't have enforced it by the sword of the Roman Empire.
 

PennEd

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What? That makes no sense in regards to my answer, some random babbling about islam? who brought up islam? Anyways sorry I dont feel the need to force my beliefs onto others. Guess the whole free will thing only applies to people that agree with you?
I'll try and explain this to you Naut. See, your def of "forcing Beliefs" (Christianity), is someone proclaiming the Gospel to people in various settings. Beginning, middle and end of "forcing". Juxtapose that, with true force by some OTHER religion, that burns, maims, beheads, and other assorted mahem to convert, and hopefully you can understand my post and the absurdity of yours. I am very happy to see that you rely fully on the shed blood of Jesus Christ for your salvation, and hope and pray that YOU TOO proclaim that Gospel in various settings!
 

Nautilus

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I'll try and explain this to you Naut. See, your def of "forcing Beliefs" (Christianity), is someone proclaiming the Gospel to people in various settings. Beginning, middle and end of "forcing". Juxtapose that, with true force by some OTHER religion, that burns, maims, beheads, and other assorted mahem to convert, and hopefully you can understand my post and the absurdity of yours. I am very happy to see that you rely fully on the shed blood of Jesus Christ for your salvation, and hope and pray that YOU TOO proclaim that Gospel in various settings!
actually my definition of forcing beliefs since you randomly just made up what you thought it was...is passing laws that affect an entire nation and cause them to live according to your view of scripture. Examples would be abortionbans or gay marriage bans. If you dont want them dont get them. But dont legislate morality for a people that dont care
 

PennEd

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Interesting definition. What law bans a homosexual from getting married? A homosexual may marry anyone of the opposite sex, he or she wishes, anywhere in America. It is YOU trying to "force" YOUR definition of marriage, which has NEVER existed in 6000 years of recorded human history, and YOUR immorality, on Christians. You also want to change the definition of murder, by saying innocent unborn children should be chopped to little pieces, vacuumed, and thrown away if it is unwanted.
You see Naut, SOMEBODY'S morality is involved, and is gonna prevail, in EVERY law made. You just want YOUR version of morality to rule
 

JimJimmers

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I'm surprised that I'm still surprised at finding those who call themselves Christians, while at the same time they sow seeds of hatred and think they are justified in judging others. Both the poster and those who support the same view deserve reproof. It is time that those who truly love God start speaking out against such foolishness.
Wouldn't that make you justified in judging others? If you asked the other posters what they are doing, I would think they would say they are speaking out against foolishness. And you are reproving them.
 

Nautilus

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Interesting definition. What law bans a homosexual from getting married? A homosexual may marry anyone of the opposite sex, he or she wishes, anywhere in America. It is YOU trying to "force" YOUR definition of marriage, which has NEVER existed in 6000 years of recorded human history, and YOUR immorality, on Christians. You also want to change the definition of murder, by saying innocent unborn children should be chopped to little pieces, vacuumed, and thrown away if it is unwanted.
You see Naut, SOMEBODY'S morality is involved, and is gonna prevail, in EVERY law made. You just want YOUR version of morality to rule
except no one is keeping christians from the relationships that they want. the only people actually affected are the ones who don't share that worldview. homosexual marriage doesn't actually hurt christians
 

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HOW CAN SOMEONE BE A DEM AND SAY THEY ARE A CHRISTIAN? WHY WOULD A CHRISTIAN SUPPORT A PARTY THAT BELIEVES IN ABORTION AND GAY RIGHTS? I AM NEITHER PARTY BUT WANTED EVERYONE'S FEED BACK ON THIS TOPIC.
A lot of republican politicians now believe in gay rights and abortion.
 

raf

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except no one is keeping christians from the relationships that they want. the only people actually affected are the ones who don't share that worldview. homosexual marriage doesn't actually hurt christians
It distracts them from preaching the holy word and doing good works of course it hurts them!!!
 

raf

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Republicans aren't terrible on welfare. We believe in personal responsibility. Not staying on welfare permanently. To willingly stay on government benefits when you have the opportunity not is letting the government control you.
than why are so many red states on government assistance?
 

Nautilus

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AMEN Elizabeth619:)

NautilusWell as a democratic christian...while those things may not be right for me as a christian, I'm not going to deny it for everyone based on a single religions rules especially considering a good percentage don't even follow christianity. people can I grow up and make their own choices. They don't need people being the morality cops for them. Someone wants an abortion or someones gay? Well its their life and their choices.
ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF CHIRST....NAUTILUS.
Christ never forced anyone to follow him.
 

JimJimmers

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than why are so many red states on government assistance?
I think the state governors want "their fair share" of the money the feds are giving to other states. Personally, I think the whole idea is unfair. The states should fund the federal government, not vice-versa.