question about demons

[rainin]

Can you tell if someone has a demon attatched to them? I ask this question as I wonder if that is what may have caused my divorce.

A couple of years ago my husband had to have emergency surgery on his leg. He had torn the main muscle that connects the thigh to the knee. When he came home from the hospital he was a different person. At first, I just thought it was the trauma of the injury and surgery combined with the strong pain meds he was given. He was never an easy man to live with but after that surgery he became unbearable. Each day that went by he became more selfish, rude, crude, mean spirited, self serving...I could go on. He had never been that hard to tolerate before this. This was also when he started keeping almost everything he did secret from me. I wasn't the only one that noticed the drastic change in his personality. He started treating my son, who worked for his company for free, so badly that he finally had to quit to save his sanity. He also started doing things at home that Im almost too ashamed to say....he would urinate all over the toilet and the floor. I understand that there is a "dribble factor" involved when a man uses the restroom but this was waaaaaaay beyond a dribble. It was intentional. For 2 years this went on until things got to the point where I believed he was going to become violent. That is when I decided to end things before they became any worse than they already were. Did a demon some how find a way to "attatch" itself to him during that surgery? Can that happen? As far as I could tell he was never a man of true faith although only God himself can judge that. I just wonder if a weak man in a weak moment could be overcome by a demon. It would explain a lot.

 

[mystdancer50]

I don't know a whole lot about this subject, but I believe that demons attach to a person in two ways: One, they were invited by a practice/habit/sin that the person engaged/engages in or two that they came with generational curses, passed down through the family 'sin'...this requires a lot of explaining...and I am not knowledgeable enough to do so. Sorry.

However, I don't believe that a demon can just attach to a person during a surgery or while the person is unconscious. I think the only exception would be if one was put into a trance for a séance or some such thing as that, but once again, that would go back to the first method, willingly inviting the spirit in.

I believe that he just made choices and decided to stop surrendering his attitude to God and just decided to be 'who he was' without any feeling of change or desire to be different. People can do the things you said above without it being a demonic influence. Rather, it is just the sinful self, the soul, no longer aligned under the spirit, no longer under Jesus' leadership and rule.

I hope this helps.

 

[chatter23]

Can you tell if someone has a demon attatched to them? I ask this question as I wonder if that is what may have caused my divorce.

A couple of years ago my husband had to have emergency surgery on his leg. He had torn the main muscle that connects the thigh to the knee. When he came home from the hospital he was a different person. At first, I just thought it was the trauma of the injury and surgery combined with the strong pain meds he was given. He was never an easy man to live with but after that surgery he became unbearable. Each day that went by he became more selfish, rude, crude, mean spirited, self serving...I could go on. He had never been that hard to tolerate before this. This was also when he started keeping almost everything he did secret from me. I wasn't the only one that noticed the drastic change in his personality. He started treating my son, who worked for his company for free, so badly that he finally had to quit to save his sanity. He also started doing things at home that Im almost too ashamed to say....he would urinate all over the toilet and the floor. I understand that there is a "dribble factor" involved when a man uses the restroom but this was waaaaaaay beyond a dribble. It was intentional. For 2 years this went on until things got to the point where I believed he was going to become violent. That is when I decided to end things before they became any worse than they already were. Did a demon some how find a way to "attatch" itself to him during that surgery? Can that happen? As far as I could tell he was never a man of true faith although only God himself can judge that. I just wonder if a weak man in a weak moment could be overcome by a demon. It would explain a lot.

There is one in everyone. Do you think all of your thoughts come from God? Do you ever have a resentful thought? Is that from God?
I have dealt with one many years because I had an anger issue. Those thoughts have been gone for over 40 years. thank God. If we suffer from it long enough our lives become miserable and that pain leads one to cry out to God with such a sincere cry that God answers to immediately. If your husband resented his condition,, that woke up the demon and that is what you are seeing.

 

[overcomer2]

I believe a person can be possessed by a demon. In the Bible there is mention of a man who ran crazy about the countryside naked.....Jesus cast the demons out. (this man was possessed with over 3000 demons) After he cast them out he sent them to swine that were nearby.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
[SUP]29 [/SUP](For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.

What is really interesting about this testimony is that the devils knew who Jesus was and that he was the Son of God.

 

[rainin]

The sinful self or soul no longer aligned under the Spirit or leadership of Jesus sounds very probable. I would be interested in knowing more about the generational curses you spoke of though. His family has many many problems that could be explained by such a thing. Im not talking about your every day, run of the mill problems either. Now that you have mentioned the term "generational curse", it makes me recall a story about his great grandmother. She lived to be 107. I was told that when she was dieing she was terrified of the witches that had come for her. She was screaming about it and no one could console her or get her to calm down. That is just one thing that comes to mind. Do you think a house or property can be "possessed" by demons? My husband owns the house this woman died in. No one that has ever lived there has led a normal life in anyway. My husband is obsessed with the place and has given up everything that most people would consider important to live there. By important I mean God, family, friends, his marriage....things of that nature. Nothing else seems to matter except that farm.

 

[mystdancer50]

Here are some links to read about generational curses. I will warn you, though, that I haven't read through them yet, so I can't truly vouch for their wisdom. I will take some time to read through them today, though, and if I see any red flags, I'll let you know. I just don't have time right now.

Generational Curses

Deliverance from demons and curses: level-headed Bible help with generational curses spiritual oppression & evil spirits

 

[danschance]

Can you tell if someone has a demon attatched to them? I ask this question as I wonder if that is what may have caused my divorce.

A couple of years ago my husband had to have emergency surgery on his leg. He had torn the main muscle that connects the thigh to the knee. When he came home from the hospital he was a different person. At first, I just thought it was the trauma of the injury and surgery combined with the strong pain meds he was given. He was never an easy man to live with but after that surgery he became unbearable. Each day that went by he became more selfish, rude, crude, mean spirited, self serving...I could go on. He had never been that hard to tolerate before this. This was also when he started keeping almost everything he did secret from me. I wasn't the only one that noticed the drastic change in his personality. He started treating my son, who worked for his company for free, so badly that he finally had to quit to save his sanity. He also started doing things at home that Im almost too ashamed to say....he would urinate all over the toilet and the floor. I understand that there is a "dribble factor" involved when a man uses the restroom but this was waaaaaaay beyond a dribble. It was intentional. For 2 years this went on until things got to the point where I believed he was going to become violent. That is when I decided to end things before they became any worse than they already were. Did a demon some how find a way to "attatch" itself to him during that surgery? Can that happen? As far as I could tell he was never a man of true faith although only God himself can judge that. I just wonder if a weak man in a weak moment could be overcome by a demon. It would explain a lot.

I have heard that a demon can attach to a person who had an accident when I went thru deliverance. It was explained to me that a trauma might weaken our defenses and a demon tries to enter them. I have never dealt with this specifically, but I have heard of it.

 

[danschance]

As I recall, I think I read about a person getting into an accident and ending up with a demonic problem from a Derek Prince book on deliverance. I do not recall the title though. Sorry you had to experience that and I hope you are praying for your exhusband.

Here is the book I think it is in, but not sure. They Shall Expel Demons: What You Need to Know about Demons - Your Invisible Enemies: Derek Prince: 9780800792602: Amazon.com: Books

 

[rainin]

I know I need to pray for him. I have been trying but still can't find the words to say even to God. I guess you could call it "prayer block". I have taken that up with God as well. I also know that all my thoughts are not from God and that Satan is working over time on my mind at this point in my life. The thoughts that I have had in the past few weeks can only be described as pure evil. I also know that God and the Lord Jesus will give me the strength to cast them down. It seems to be a full time job right now. Even my dreams have been affected. These thoughts seem to just flow into my mind constantly these days. The feelings of anger, resentment, bitterness, unforgiveness and revenge almost consume me at times. It is exhausting to deal with to say the least. I guess this is the time to put on the whole armor of God and fight. I also want to say that I don't consider myself blameless in this situation. I have done many things wrong and committed many sins. The difference between us is that he doesn't think he has done anything wrong and I mean anything. It's not that I need an admission of guilt from him in order to feel better about myself either. It just is what it is.

I still wonder about what happened during the accident and the following surgery he had to repair his leg. That is when things started going south at an alarming rate. The transformation in his personality was apparent the day after. He even looked different. It was like everything that was what I would call evil in him became magnified and he just gave himself over to it. Had I not seen it happen with my own eyes I would probably have a hard time believing it myself. Not only could I see it....I could feel it. When he would leave the house there would be peace. I couldn't wait for him to leave and began to dread the sound of his truck coming down the road when he came home. As soon as he came into the house you could feel the change happen. It was more than just the tension between us. Much more. Even my son, who is a grown man and not a child, said that it was like evil came and went from this house in the form of my husband. Had I not left him when I did I think I would have been in danger of physical harm.

 

[rachelsedge]

There is one in everyone. Do you think all of your thoughts come from God? Do you ever have a resentful thought? Is that from God?

We all are born with sin nature, but that doesn't equate to having a demon inside us.

I'm not quite sure if you mean that someone can have both the Holy Spirit AND a demon?

 

[chatter23]

We all are born with sin nature, but that doesn't equate to having a demon inside us.

I'm not quite sure if you mean that someone can have both the Holy Spirit AND a demon?

We are not born with a sin nature, we are born innocent and violated one way or another that cause us to react and resent and that is when the demon enters.

 

[mystdancer50]

We are not born with a sin nature, we are born innocent and violated one way or another that cause us to react and resent and that is when the demon enters.

I don't believe that a demon enters a person just because they sin. Sin is a choice, not a demon. I know that demons can possess people, but you're essentially saying that every sinner is a demon-possessed person. There is no Biblical backing to this.

I never really thought about the fact that we aren't born as sinners, but rather once we sin, then we are sinners. That never really occurred to me before, but now, upon looking into it, I can see where you see this. Once we consciously choose that wrong thing, knowing inside that we are wrong, then we have sinned and awakened our sinful nature. This shows how some can choose to believe in an age of innocence (which I personally do believe in).

I had planned on arguing and discrediting you because, though I never really thought about it, I just knew that I had been born a sinner. But, I was born innocent, as how can one sin in their mothers womb? Thus, after I committed my first sinful act, be it lying or stealing or not sharing or whatever, I left innocence behind. That totally makes sense.

Sorry if I'm babbling a bit here...this is a new revelation to me and I'll be doing some study on it now.

On a side note, don't think that I am by any stretch saying that we are sinless forever or anything or that we can even begin to compare with the wonder and sinlessness of Jesus Christ, our Savior. The Bible does say that none are righteous and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I have always believed that the miscarried and aborted babies are in heaven until the Great White Throne Judgment, when they will be given the chance to choose God or reject Him...the same with babies outside of the womb who are lost and those that cannot comprehend sin and disobedience mentally.

Consider as well Ezekiel 18 NIV:

[SUP]1[/SUP]The word of the Lord came to me: [SUP]2 [/SUP]“What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:“‘The parents eat sour grapes,
and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?

[SUP]3 [/SUP]“As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“Suppose there is a righteous man
who does what is just and right.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor’s wife
or have sexual relations with a woman during her period.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]He does not oppress anyone,
but returns what he took in pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He does not lend to them at interest
or take a profit from them.
He withholds his hand from doing wrong
and judges fairly between two parties.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]He follows my decrees
and faithfully keeps my laws.
That man is righteous;
he will surely live,
declares the Sovereign Lord.

We all know that we all sin and only Christ was able to do as it says above, but consider that God Himself said that if man would be able to do this, he would live...so we were born sinless yet we, ourselves, due to the sin nature that exists, chose sin and rebellion at one point consciously and therefore became sinners, as we are all sinners.

Okay...I am stopping now. Please don't bash me. I am not speaking this as gospel or absolute truth...just trying to work it out as I am just now seeing it. I still don't quite grasp what I am trying to say here, yet, either, so, yeah, be kind. This is my opinion and what I'm currently working through to see if, Biblically, there is any truth to what I am seeing here. Okay. I'm done now.

 

[chatter23]

I don't believe that a demon enters a person just because they sin. Sin is a choice, not a demon. I know that demons can possess people, but you're essentially saying that every sinner is a demon-possessed person. There is no Biblical backing to this.

I never really thought about the fact that we aren't born as sinners, but rather once we sin, then we are sinners. That never really occurred to me before, but now, upon looking into it, I can see where you see this. Once we consciously choose that wrong thing, knowing inside that we are wrong, then we have sinned and awakened our sinful nature. This shows how some can choose to believe in an age of innocence (which I personally do believe in).

I had planned on arguing and discrediting you because, though I never really thought about it, I just knew that I had been born a sinner. But, I was born innocent, as how can one sin in their mothers womb? Thus, after I committed my first sinful act, be it lying or stealing or not sharing or whatever, I left innocence behind. That totally makes sense.

Sorry if I'm babbling a bit here...this is a new revelation to me and I'll be doing some study on it now.

On a side note, don't think that I am by any stretch saying that we are sinless forever or anything or that we can even begin to compare with the wonder and sinlessness of Jesus Christ, our Savior. The Bible does say that none are righteous and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I have always believed that the miscarried and aborted babies are in heaven until the Great White Throne Judgment, when they will be given the chance to choose God or reject Him...the same with babies outside of the womb who are lost and those that cannot comprehend sin and disobedience mentally.

Consider as well Ezekiel 18 NIV:



We all know that we all sin and only Christ was able to do as it says above, but consider that God Himself said that if man would be able to do this, he would live...so we were born sinless yet we, ourselves, due to the sin nature that exists, chose sin and rebellion at one point consciously and therefore became sinners, as we are all sinners.

Okay...I am stopping now. Please don't bash me. I am not speaking this as gospel or absolute truth...just trying to work it out as I am just now seeing it. I still don't quite grasp what I am trying to say here, yet, either, so, yeah, be kind. This is my opinion and what I'm currently working through to see if, Biblically, there is any truth to what I am seeing here. Okay. I'm done now.

Sin is not a choice, who would choose to sin? Makes no sense.

 

[rachelsedge]

Sin is not a choice, who would choose to sin? Makes no sense.

If sin is not a choice, where is the accountability? Why would Jesus need to come and die for our sins if "we can't help it"?

Sometimes sinning is fun. Sometimes it seems like the better, easier choice. You're telling me you never consciously choose to sin? It always just happens upon you?

 

[chatter23]

If sin is not a choice, where is the accountability? Why would Jesus need to come and die for our sins if "we can't help it"?

Sometimes sinning is fun. Sometimes it seems like the better, easier choice. You're telling me you never consciously choose to sin? It always just happens upon you?

Would you choose to sin or the demon in you? Where is your choice.

 

[rachelsedge]

Well, there isn't a demon in me, and it certainly not the Holy Spirit doing it, so it's definitely me.

 

[chatter23]

Well, there isn't a demon in me, and it certainly not the Holy Spirit doing it, so it's definitely me.

That is not what God says. Jesus created demons to test us and everyone has one.

 

[Eva1218]

I do not know what could have happened to your husband but my knowledge of someone being possessed by demon/s is yes its very possible also know some are oppressed by demon/s as well. For anyone to be possessed their house must be open meaning the HOLY SPIRIT does not dwell there. Certain activities such as watching demonic movies, demonic books, demonic games, being under the influence of drugs and or alcohol, witchcraft, etc these will cause demonic influences. Everyone does not have a demon because the Bible states the two don't dwell. I wouldn't claim it on him but I would suggest you pray for him, pray for his Salvation.

Blessings!!!!!!!

 

[mystdancer50]

That is not what God says. Jesus created demons to test us and everyone has one.

Where in the Bible does it say this?

I can show you where in the Bible it says that temptation comes from the heart of man:

Mark 7 says, "17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable.18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

No demons involved here...just the sinful heart of man.

 

[rainin]

Although I can't be the judge of the Holy Spirit dwelling in my ex husband or not, I can see that there are a lot of activities in his life that would cause demonic influences. If he didn't have the Holy Spirit and did in fact have a demon, it would explain our constant conflict. He had told me on more than a few occasions that I was stupid for believing that the Bible was the actual word of God. He made fun of the Bible study programs that I watched on television. He almost hated one of the teachers I watched on a daily basis. I had never seen him with a Bible in his hand but he would use verses to try to manipulate me. They were usually taken out of context or twisted in some way to fit his own purposes. Looking back I see so many things that he was doing that I couldn't see before. My eyes have been opened to so many things that I couldn't or wouldn't see when I was in the middle of it all.

I want to pray for him. I have been trying to pray for him. Each time I do it is like my mind goes blank and I can't even find the words to say to God. Now I am praying for guidance and direction on how to pray! Does that even make any sense?! Im starting to think that there is a lot more going on that I had originally thought. After stepping out of the situation, I realize this has been going on and getting steadily worse for a much longer period of time as well. So many things are just starting to become clear to me. I feel like Im putting together a puzzle....trying to fit all the bits and pieces of my life together so I can understand what was really happening and why or how I got to this point.