question about demons

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RedTent

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When we make the decision about whether a person has a demon or not, we are getting into some very deep waters. Not many years ago there were terrible things done to ill people because they were falsely accused of having demons. Today there are people being treated medically when the problem really is demon possession.

There are people today who have learned all they can about this and can be called in if there is a question. These people almost always call in doctors and all the help they can get to determine if it is illness or possession that is causing the problem.

We all need to know some basic things about possession. No one can be possessed unless they agree to the sins the demons wants of us. Christ has dominion over demons, the name of Christ is protection against them. The only way that they can be a threat is through sin that we agree to as a part of our lives. When we repent through Christ and turn from the sin, we are turning from the influence of demons.
 
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adsd

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I believe fear ( lack of faith) opens the door quickly.
 
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rainin

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If a person needs to agree to the sins the demon wants....then my ex husband definitely falls into that catagory. Im assuming that you mean willfully sinning as the means of agreement. His way of life definitely depends on the lies he has to tell to manipulate his finances. The better he became at it the more he did it. The more he lied the better he got. I don't think he even realizes he is lieing anymore. I have stood and watched him do or say a thing only to have him deny it. If I pushed the matter he would become extremely angry. He also justifies all he has done or finds a way to put the responsibility on someone elses.

I know that during a divorce or seperation one spouse usually tries to make the other one look like the "bad guy". I want to make it known that I could care less about that sort of thing. I really am trying to figure out what on earth was going on in my life while I was with him. Also, if it could happen to him it could happen to me. Some days I wonder if I don't have a few of them myself. The only difference between us is that I am seeking the Lord and he is not. I know when I am sinning as I am convicted by the Spirit. He didn't seem to even think about it one way or the other. The lieing is just the tip of the iceburg so to say when it comes to the sins he commits as a part of his daily life. I don't think it matters much what the sins were....sin is sin. The fact that he justified it all is what really bothers me.
 
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Angela53510

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Perhaps your husband got very depressed after an accident and surgery. My husband went into a deep depression and I wondered for years if it was demonic. When he got on the right meds, he went back to his old self. No demons at all.

I think this whole post gives too much credit to the devil. The man went through an ordeal and it damaged something inside him. I wish he could have had some medical help - you might have saved your marriage.
 
posthuman

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chatter23 said:
That is not what God says. Jesus created demons to test us and everyone has one.
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i'm going to need you to point out where Christ (or other scripture) says that we all have demons inside us.

because as far as i know, this is definitely not what scripture teaches.

instead,
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
(Jeremiah 17:9)

this is taught throughout the scripture -- we have a sin nature that is in conflict with the law of God - not a 'demon'

i might add, this scripture clearly shows the evil & danger of the world's philosophy "follow your heart"
 
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yes it can overtake someone,but from what u shared it seems 2 me this man never had a true relationship with God,if not how can u have one with others.But there is always hope nothing is beyond God.But my question 2 u is r u truly and totally living 4 God.If so u would know your waris not against him,its against satan.So i would immensly pray,bind the attack and with the power of Gods Holy Spirit take back all satan has taken from u and then some,ship all his garbage back 2 hell where it came from.U R A conquerer in Christ,amen.hopefully this encourages u and gets u fighting back and taking back what satan has stolen from u gbu
 
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rainin

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This situation started long before the accident. My marriage was a little slice of hell before it ever happened. Not that I am seeking sympathy for my situation, but his "ordeal" was nothing compared to what he has put this family through. Im just trying to understand why. Not once have I ever said that, in fact, he is or was possessed. I am only wondering if it is a possibilty. Had I been alone in the idea that this could be a possiblilty, I probably would have just dismissed the whole idea. I, however, am not alone in thinking that it could be what is and has been going on for who knows how long. If the devil is responsible for the things that are going on and have been going on....then I have to give credit where credit is due.
 
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rainin

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Your question about wether I am truly and totally living for God is a question I ask myself daily. When I was still actually living with my husband, I was acting or maybe reacting as badly as he was. It felt like I was being sucked into his world of hate, lies, revenge, turmoil, debate, strife.....it was a daily trial of keeping myself from becoming just like him. Now that I am no longer connected to him physically I can see all the things that I was doing as well. Im no longer caught up in it. He wouldn't go to the doctor. He wouldn't listen to a word about Christ or God. It isn't like we had only been married for a year or 2 and i just got tired of him. What ever is going on with him I can feel that the presence of it is out of my house. It isn't out of my life however. I gave up on my marriage as a last resort. It was literally killing me. I will endure unto death for the Word of Christ...not man.
 
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rainin

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Thank you.
 
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I believe a person even one that professed Christ at one time can be possessed by a demon. The word says:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation

I don't believe we all have demons. If you are a born again spirit filled believer, you are not possessed by a demon. You may sin but that is not the same thing. But those who got their heart right and then turn away from the Lord can be possessed as the scripture points out. The reason the demon saw the place empty is because the mind Of Christ was not there either. When we are made a new Creature we get filled with the Holy Spirit. If you've been cleaned and there is nothing to replace with the evil then the place is empty the evil spirit comes back with 7 other evil spirits worse then before.
 
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rainin

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The more I learn the more I am inclined to believe that something demonic was/is going on with my ex husband. I have considered so many things that could be the problem and nothing comes as close to explaining what I have seen and heard this man do and say as demonic activity of some sort.

A couple of days ago I had a conversation with a couple that are mutual friends of my ex husband and myself. They are Christians and very well educated. The husband in this couple, John, is a Christian youth counselor and they are both very active in the church and community. They are both very rational, logical people. They told me that they had talked to my ex a couple of times in the past few weeks and honestly don't believe he is even saved. John said he felt like my ex wasn't even able to comprehend or was ignoring all that he was trying to tell him about salvation, Christ, God's plan for our manner of life, what meant to have a Godly marriage....he felt like he was talking to the wind. These people have been an example of what it means to live a Godly life to me and are the first people I talked to about all that has been going on through out these past 20 years. They gave me several books on demonic activity which I immediately read. I can see now that this is something that has been going on with my ex long before I ever met him. The wife of the couple, Vicki, went to school with my ex and she noticed things about him even then that made her wonder about what could be his problem. I can see now that there has been something going on in his immediate family for at least 3 generations. This isn't just my imagination. I try to pray for him but there is still a lot of anger and bitterness getting in my way. I am struggling on a lot of levels right now but this bothers me the most. We are to pray for those who hurt us and right now Im not able to do that for some reason. I have taken this up with the Lord as well. I have a long way to go in this area of my spiritual journey. I don't know what the Lord has in mind by taking me down this path but Im sure my destination is going to be much better than the place I am leaving behind. There is a great amount of loss in my situation that I must find a way to deal with. My marriage is over. I am losing my home of almost 20 years. I will be moving across the country in a matter of months. The move will put me some 600 miles away from 3 of my children and 2 of my grandchildren. I can't take my dogs with me and just made the appointment to have them put down this morning. It is extremely hard not to allow anger and resentment take over my thoughts and feelings. It makes me wonder if I'm not fighting a few demons myself. I know there is a reason for everything and that one day I will understand why all of this has happened. I will keep seeking answers in God's word and through God's people until that day comes. I just have the feeling that there is something much more than mental illness, depression.....that sort of thing at work here.
 
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Satan is seeking to wear you out. I would not pray for him if the Lord does not lead you. I have folks that the Lord does not allow we to pray for anymore. If I think of them for some reason I always just pray the Lord's will be done over that individual. I'm sorry for all you are losing. I pray you will exercise your faith. The just live by faith.
 
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rainin

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I have heard it said that faith isn't faith till it's all that you have. Maybe the Lord is showing me it's all that I really need...He is all I really need. I know there is a point to it all.
 
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[h=3]Romans 1:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
 
mystdancer50

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I think we over-complicate faith. Faith is simply trust. Do you trust God? Do you trust in God? Then you have faith.

Definition of faith (n)

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faith
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  • belief or trust: belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
  • religion or religious group: a system of religious belief, or the group of people who adhere to it
  • trust in God: belief in and devotion to God
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The Biblical Definition Of Faith: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1, KJV).
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-taken from The biblical definition of faith

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rainin

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I think I may be guilty of that very thing at times. Faith is a very simple thing as you said. Just trusting God isn't very complicated. I do trust God and I also believe God. Pretty simple.
 
mystdancer50

mystdancer50

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I only know this because for many, many years as a Christian, I struggled with faith. I would constantly cry out to God and ask Him to show me what it means to have faith. To me, in my mind, it was like some supernatural place of arrival. Then, one day, Holy Spirit said, "Trust." And then I knew that I had faith all along. :)

I once had a vision. I was standing and looking down at a little mustard seed in my hand. Jesus stood across from me, our foreheads nearly touching, and I said, "I have such little faith."

He replied, "No," and the scene expanded. It revealed that I was leaning against a massive tree. Jesus said, "That is your faith. This," He said, indicating the little seed in my hand, "is patience. You have very little patience." :)
 
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rainin

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I too had that idea in my mind that there would be some super natural happening to confirm the arrival of my faith. I think what caused most of my problems was that I was comparing my faith to others that seemed to have so much more than I did. When I stopped doing that I found it was much easier to allow my own faith to develope. I suppose it would be comparable to comparing our own spiritual gifts to another's. It just isn't meant to be done. I have never had a vision. I think God speaks to me in other ways though. He has sent many people into my life to answer my many questions.
 
Angela53510

Angela53510

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Very sorry you are going through all this pain and struggle. I don't know why you are moving, and giving up so much, but I guess you have your reasons.

I will pray for you, that you will get through this trial. Sometimes a marriage is not worth saving, I can agree. I am sure you gave it as much as you had. Just trust God to lead you down this new path.
 
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