Same sex marriage is an abomination and if you support it you are not a christian

[murraymuzz]

To be honest the way i see it is that there is no such thing as a person being homosexual, for we cannot be sin, we are just people being people who commit acts of sin, if you really want to fight against this sin of homosexuality we need to come to terms with our own sin and lead by example, for instance i have lusted after women before, this is no different than a man lusting after a man, when we objectify children of God for our own self gratification that is when the sin is commited, to be honest i think it is a blessing to not be attracted to women as Paul had lived in celibacy he said himself that this was a gift, and not all men had this gift.

Some people think that why should we worry what other people do with thier lives if they are not hurting anyone, this way of thinking goes against christianity, for we are all brothers and sisters and we all suffer when one person sins, as the story of Adam and Eve will tell you.

For christians who suffer from homosexual thoughts, dont despair and then believe that this is the way God made you, Lust is the sin you suffer from at the end of the day, and it is one of the biggest battles that humanity has been fighting for a very long time, you may fall every now and then, as do I, but we pick ourselves up again and keep fighting to keep these thoughts out of our heads.

I think it is important that as people we need to re-evaluate the sanctity of marriage, why is a union between a man and a woman so sacred and pleasing to God? It is because that love bears fruit, children and giving birth to a child gives God glory. A homosexual union does not bear this fruit, such a union only serves to gratify the senses we feel and this act does not glorify God, this is the abomination the bible speaks of when we glorify ourselves over God. I would dare to say the same thing about a man and a woman who are not married and have sex without intending to have a child, this act is an abomination also, as it deprives God of the glory he deserves.

And lastly, I dont see anything wrong with two males living together and raising a child, provided the fact that they live as if they were brothers, same goes for women, for there are many children who are orphans who do need a home where they will be cared for.

I hope this may help some christians out there who suffer from lust, all people do, dont forget that, keep fighting the good fight.

 

[Rheod]

Ok let me address LEVITICUS - Leviticus sets out JEWISH law, which also says eating a cheese burger is wrong. We as Christians don't apply Jewish law in our lives so how can u apply in on Gay people. And no one has answered my question, Gay marriage is of the WORLD how does that effect us????

 

[FrankensteinGirls]

If the only God approved marriages are between persons who can bear fruit, where do sterile couples fit in? Not all heterosexuals can make babies.

 

[murraymuzz]

If the only God approved marriages are between persons who can bear fruit, where do sterile couples fit in? Not all heterosexuals can make babies.

I believe all heterosexual couples can have children regardless of sterility. I dont know if you believe in God or not, so you may not believe my answer, but there is no such thing as sterile or infertile with God, there is the story of Abraham and Sarah in the bible for instance. So with that in mind I think its important to remember that children are a gift from God and not a right. So the point being there is always hope that a male and female couple can have a child however unlikely it may seem.

 

[Foxxtale]

wow. I can hardly believe the spirit of intolerance on this board sometimes...

God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor?
-James 4:12

where exactly, did Jesus teach us that it was alright to hate one group or another? Doesn't the pope oppose homosexuality, too? that isn't the mark of a true christian, it is a mark of intolerance. we are taught to love our neighbors as ourselves, not condemn them.

OF COURSE homosexuality is a sin. OF COURSE God doesn't like it. but it is HE that gets to judge, not us.

 

[frankleespeaking]

Tribesman, not all people who support gay marriage are LGBT there are many straight people who support it as well, they certainly don't partake of the sin of homosexuality, theyre heterosexual

Interestingly enough, come judgement day, the straight people you say support the gay agenda will come to find themselves in the same predicament as those who partook of these perverse actions of homosexuality........just for record the rectum is not a sex organ, its a fecal exit

 

[murraymuzz]

wow. I can hardly believe the spirit of intolerance on this board sometimes...

God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor?
-James 4:12

where exactly, did Jesus teach us that it was alright to hate one group or another? Doesn't the pope oppose homosexuality, too? that isn't the mark of a true christian, it is a mark of intolerance. we are taught to love our neighbors as ourselves, not condemn them.

OF COURSE homosexuality is a sin. OF COURSE God doesn't like it. but it is HE that gets to judge, not us.

Your statement is quite true, however I will bring up a passage from the bible to try and explain the concern here.

Matthew 12:11 "He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?"

Now consider for a moment, if someones life is in danger would you not attempt to save them?
This is the concern for people who commit homosexual acts, their souls are in danger of falling into the pit, and as christians we need to stop that from happening. But often times when we try to help someone else this verse usually applys;
Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

So in order for us to be of any help to others we must recognise the sin in ourselves and perhaps try and relate the ways we overcome that sin to people who are still struggling.

Now with homosexuality, it is immoral, I didn't decide this, neither did anyone on this forum, otherwise I dont think there would be a problem, but this has already been decided by God, now people often will cite the leviticus laws to try and prove christians being hypocritical, but the problem with doing this is as christians who suffer from homosexual inclinations, are you going to try and justify an immoral act based on what other people are doing?

Now about leviticus, its important when you read the old testament to keep in mind the new testament and how they compliment each other, for instance;
Leviticus 19:19 "You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material."
Now thanks to a member of this forum they helped me to understand that this is not what it seems to be, and that this in light of the new testament actually parrallels a few teachings in the new testament. So for instance the first part of this verse affirms the teaching against beastiality, the same species always must mate with each other, the sowing of the seeds can be referenced to the parable of the sower, and the garments being made of one material can be reffered to the teaching of serving two masters.

So before you jump at citing all the levitical laws perhaps ask someone who is more well versed in the bible such as your pastors, and try to get a proper handle on them.

But all in all i can't condemn anyone, only the sin. So i think the first step to overcoming any sin, is for us to acknowledge we are doing something wrong in the first place.

 

[Foxxtale]

yes, we are to go help. but telling someone they are a sinner doesn't really help, does it?
I mean, just about any gay person that has ever met a christian knows exactly what the bible says about it.
how does that help them?

what if, instead of telling them where they have gone wrong, we show them the right way through our own actions?
what if, instead of pointing a finger, we open our arms to them? aren't people a little more likely to accept a loving welcome than an accusatory remark?

 

[murraymuzz]

yes, we are to go help. but telling someone they are a sinner doesn't really help, does it?
I mean, just about any gay person that has ever met a christian knows exactly what the bible says about it.
how does that help them?

what if, instead of telling them where they have gone wrong, we show them the right way through our own actions?
what if, instead of pointing a finger, we open our arms to them? aren't people a little more likely to accept a loving welcome than an accusatory remark?

Well again you are right, but the problem is being that people are not viewing it as a sin, and this perception is growing. This is not about telling people they are sinners, but more about reminding people what the sins are so they can strive to be holy. If people thought they were not doing anything wrong they would not stop doing it. But yes, we should be showing by our examples and still love our neighbours no matter what. But again if I was doing something wrong and I didn't know, I would love for someone to correct me so that I could have a more intimate relationship with Jesus.

 

[Foxxtale]

I see what you are saying. There is indeed a distinction between pointing out a sin and accusing. And there is definitely a growing belief that it is alright.
but that belief is fueled by the fact that most "christians" are so quick to condemn, whereas almost every gay person I have ever had the pleasure of meeting has been so quick to accept someone for who they are.

...I always found that a little paradoxical myself.

 

[Rheod]

You also have to remember that Jesus said when you go out to spread his word if people don't want to listen don't force them. What good does forcing someone to see our veiw do?

 

[Dude653]

Here's the problem. You can't base the law on Biblical principals. If so, you also have to outlaw lieing, cheating. gossiping, cussing, and just mistreating people in geneal. Dont get me wrong, i believe that homosexuality is wrong. However the law is designed for protection, to make sure I dont steal from you, harm you or damage your property. I know in my heart what is right and wrong and i dont need the law to tell me so. Furthermore, what 2 consenting adults do with each other doesnt harm me in any way.

 

[Rheod]

If islamic weddings jewish weddings hindu weddings chinese weddings buddist wedding wiccan wedding and pagan weddings don't effect me why should gay weddings

 

[jandian]

As a people who have been touched by the love of Jesus Christ; we are not suppose to live in a bubble. We don't take the position "it doesn't affect me, so why should I care".

The love of God in our hearts, demand that we care.

I don't think we understand what it means to make these kind of endorsements as a nation. The bible said "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach against a people".

Surely there are sins in operation. What glory is it for a nation to keep adding to the list. What implications are there as a society and for communities.

We must stop thinking selfishly and understand the the world does not operate in isolation.

We as a people are expected to be the light and stand for righteousness. Its possible that they will decide what the want anyway. But we don't not join them and not only do we not join them; but we keep pointing to the right way which is Jesus way, so that they might have a hope.

 

[twosparrows]

So... If a man beats the heck out of his wife, she should stay with him? Let's get Medieval, y'all.

Ephesians 5:28 So men ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife, loveth himself. marriage is an example. It is earthly symbolism of a heavenly thing. The church is the wife. The husband is Christ. Ephesians 5:30 For we are members of His body,of His flesh and His bone. For thiscause shall a man leave his father and mother and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.5:32This is a great mystery: But I speak concerning Christ and the church.

 

[twosparrows]

yes responded from waaay back lol!

 

[enochson]

So I guess when Jesus spoke to the women at the well living with a man and not marry he broke your rule THANK GOD HE DID FOR I'M ONE THAT THANKS GOD HE WASN'T A CHRISTIAN FULL OF LAW AND RULES. SEX IS SEX NO MATTER WHAT THE PACKAGE IS WRONG IS WRONG AND UNDER THE LAW THE WOMEN WAS JUST AS GUILTY AS ANYBODY. AND OH BY THE KING DAVID BY THAT LAW SHOULD HAVE BEEN STONE FOR MURDER AND TAKING ANOTHER MANS LIFE.

 

[catt]

I think that the people here are doing what was told for us not to do: judging others.

I don't know the book or verse, but there are two statements in the bible that are throwing themselves into my brain as I read all of your posts:

Judge NOT lest YE be judged.

Get the log out of your own eye, before trying to get the speck out of another's.

People, live as God wants you to live: loving, caring, forgiving. Jesus ministered in the streets, to the wicked and socially outcast. He did not tell people what to do or how to do it. He helped them, saved them, showed them a better way and allowed them to choose for themselves.

I personally am not a Christian. I believe in the God of the Old Testament, and the Jesus of the New Testament. They are the same but separate. I will say that God says homosexuality is wrong, and that God also says Jesus came to take the punishment for our sins so that we would not have to.

We ALL sin and fall short of the glory of God.

 

[hug-a-bug]

i think its not right but im not going to judge them do not judge least u be judge

 

[Deadtosin]

greed is a sin. Can I marry my bank account?

living in sin is living in sin. Agreed. But marriage? I highly disagree with same sex marriages. If marriage was designed by God for a man and a woman then we shouldn't be able to change that. I think on Jerry springer a guy married his donkey. They never aired the episode on television though