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What Mark Mulder says is true. Whether gay marriage is allowed or not, it is not possible. I could give you permission to fly like an eagle, but that does not mean you would be able to do so.
God's people need to be informed. Marriage is... "When a man clings to his wife and they become one flesh."
The marriage certificate that gays are fighting for was not instituted until the 1700s by the Catholic church. That's right. Certificates only existed for less than 300 years of the millenia that marriage has existed.
Furthermore, you might find it interesting that the marriage certificate was not a document of marriage. It was a written permission slip by the church saying that two were allowed to get married. What you might find even more astounding is that they are the same today except that the law now says "permission by the church or state". It also specifically says (today) that a certificate does not officiate a marriage but may be used as a record of a marriage that has taken place.
So not only is it not possible for anyone other than a man and woman to be married, it is also not possible to have sex before marriage. If a man and woman have sex, they are married according to the word of God. Thus is it written that if a man lie with a woman, he should take her to be his wife. Thus is it also written to not let any man divide what God has put together. For it is God that has created the natural affection a man and woman have for one another. They should forsake all others. But no, instead we have a culture filled with fornication and adultery being destroyed by ignorance of what is Holy and acceptable to God. Also is it written, "Don't you know that your body is the temple of God? Would you join the Holy Spirit to a prostitute? God forbid."
So let it be settled people. It simply is not possible.
To God be the glory.
God's people need to be informed. Marriage is... "When a man clings to his wife and they become one flesh."
The marriage certificate that gays are fighting for was not instituted until the 1700s by the Catholic church. That's right. Certificates only existed for less than 300 years of the millenia that marriage has existed.
Furthermore, you might find it interesting that the marriage certificate was not a document of marriage. It was a written permission slip by the church saying that two were allowed to get married. What you might find even more astounding is that they are the same today except that the law now says "permission by the church or state". It also specifically says (today) that a certificate does not officiate a marriage but may be used as a record of a marriage that has taken place.
So not only is it not possible for anyone other than a man and woman to be married, it is also not possible to have sex before marriage. If a man and woman have sex, they are married according to the word of God. Thus is it written that if a man lie with a woman, he should take her to be his wife. Thus is it also written to not let any man divide what God has put together. For it is God that has created the natural affection a man and woman have for one another. They should forsake all others. But no, instead we have a culture filled with fornication and adultery being destroyed by ignorance of what is Holy and acceptable to God. Also is it written, "Don't you know that your body is the temple of God? Would you join the Holy Spirit to a prostitute? God forbid."
So let it be settled people. It simply is not possible.
To God be the glory.
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It makes me very sad when fellow Christians lash out against each other and try to compete which one is the most christian person. I get even more upset when some people take the right to tell the rightful way the Bible should be interpered. I guess that's why I'm a Lutheran and proud member of the Church of Sweden.
Like people allready stated in this thread, it's interesting how people can defend the view about homosexuality in the old testament but completely ignores other parts like shellfish and clothes from different threads. Or stoning, oh yes all the stoning.
It feels to me that people who are so obsessed about homosexuality that they must fight it in every forum, every school and every public space have completely missed the point about sinners and how Jesus met them. For which ones did Jesus eat with? Talk to? People who had sinned. Which ones condemned them? The Farisees. The day theese people take home the ones they see as sinners and treat then with the same love as Jesus that is the day I think we really understood the Bible. I may be wrong but atleast that's the way I understand Jesus teachings. But go ahead, keep spreading biggoted opinions and claim it's from God.
Like people allready stated in this thread, it's interesting how people can defend the view about homosexuality in the old testament but completely ignores other parts like shellfish and clothes from different threads. Or stoning, oh yes all the stoning.
It feels to me that people who are so obsessed about homosexuality that they must fight it in every forum, every school and every public space have completely missed the point about sinners and how Jesus met them. For which ones did Jesus eat with? Talk to? People who had sinned. Which ones condemned them? The Farisees. The day theese people take home the ones they see as sinners and treat then with the same love as Jesus that is the day I think we really understood the Bible. I may be wrong but atleast that's the way I understand Jesus teachings. But go ahead, keep spreading biggoted opinions and claim it's from God.
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But he never condoned the sin in the slightest. Jesus regarded the sin as an abomination and did not support it, and so he would go to the people living in it to set them free of their sin. The prostitutes were considered low in society, and they knew they were sinful, but the homosexual is becoming celebrated, and his deeds are condoned; this is the difference. Jesus didn't need to call out the sin of the prostitutes because they knew it, but he did need to call out the sin of the Pharisees, because they did not know it, and they were in love with their own sin. He destroyed the market in the temple courts and said, "It is written, My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it 'a den of robbers.'" Jesus ate with the sinners, so why did he not eat with the Pharisees? Because they were proud of their sin.
You can argue that same-sex marriage is a sin - but you're wrong to say there is no such thing.
Marriage is a contract between two people before God, according to Christians. However, atheists and Hindus get marriage all the time. Sure, it might not be marriage as recognized by God, but it's still marriage.
Marriage is a contract between two people before God, according to Christians. However, atheists and Hindus get marriage all the time. Sure, it might not be marriage as recognized by God, but it's still marriage.
So, marriages in Africa, Asia, Japan, etc. aren't actual marriages?
We need to understand that marriage is a fairly vague term. For Christians, it's a contract between one man and one woman pledging their love under God. For atheists, it's a pledge between two people. For other religious cultures, it's a contract that differs depending on their views.
We need to understand that marriage is a fairly vague term. For Christians, it's a contract between one man and one woman pledging their love under God. For atheists, it's a pledge between two people. For other religious cultures, it's a contract that differs depending on their views.
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17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
I can recite the O.T. laws and passages that refer to homosexuality as sin and an abomination if you like, or I can show you these New Testament verses that say the same:
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Timothy 1:9-10
realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
AND HERE AGAIN, THIS TIME REFERRING TO LESBIANS
Romans 1:24-27
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
I have done as you asked. Now show me where Jesus says it is ok to continue in sin INCLUDING the sin of HOMOSEXUALITY.
I can recite the O.T. laws and passages that refer to homosexuality as sin and an abomination if you like, or I can show you these New Testament verses that say the same:
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Timothy 1:9-10
realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
AND HERE AGAIN, THIS TIME REFERRING TO LESBIANS
Romans 1:24-27
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
I have done as you asked. Now show me where Jesus says it is ok to continue in sin INCLUDING the sin of HOMOSEXUALITY.
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Well apart from that you haven't. Your references from the NT is from Paul not Jesus and if we should be consecvent in our opinions that Jesus fulfills the old laws, does that mean that you agree with all the rules in the OT? About shellfish? Stonings? Different fabric on your body? If not why would homosexuality be something to condemn but not any of the other? A lack of sayings from Jesus about homosexuality is not proof for him agreeing to condemn in.
I am quite certain you have not answered my question only walked around it and trying to give your opinion strenght through other Bible verses and say it's what Jesus said.
I am quite certain you have not answered my question only walked around it and trying to give your opinion strenght through other Bible verses and say it's what Jesus said.
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It is pointless to discuss Scripture with someone claiming to be a Christian when they don't believe the entirety of the Bible is God inspired, and inerrant. As if Paul's writings were not from Christ, and carry no weight. When you pick and choose what is sin and what isn't sin you set yourself up as god. Basically saying "If I were god, homosexuality would be good and not sinful". I am deeply sorrowful for the almost entire heresy of the church in Sweden and Lutheranism. I pray in Jesus name there would be a revival back to Jesus and away from the apostasy that has ravaged your nation and church.
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Homosexual ACTS are forbidden, gay MARRIAGE is by definition impossible.
That's the difference, get it?
However God does love gays, and bi's and any other forms of Gay. But its the practices and there ignorance to what God is forbidding them to do. A gay marriage is only a sign right to carry out God's forbidden rule. thats how the earth has gone.
so technically, it is a sin.