Satan's Meeting

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TosinAsLeader

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I think the idea of the opening post is not to say these are all individual sins, but combined all these can serve as a bad distraction, making us avoid God. I personally think the message of this thread is a good one, as long as you view it correctly.

As for whether or not non-christian music is a sin, it really depends on the person. Now, as explained to me, this is what we call a "sin of the heart". It's kinda like asking yourself if it's alright to play video games, or watch certain movies, it really matters how it effects you. As long as music does not weaken your relationship with God, or if you don't feel it's wrong in your heart, it's not a sin.
If your a musician and your goal is to make awesome music for G-d than it makes sense to learn secular music songs that are very complex etc.
 
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Angel-A

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If music is used to worship God – very good, but very often God is used to worship other kind of music by using just his name and call that christen music.
Satan knows how to use anything (even if we think is good) to push us from God.
It is easier to believe that we are doing something good and fallow into his trap than doing ‘bad staff’.
Never underestimate his power of brain wash and tools he can used!
 
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Angel-A

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I love your story!
You couldn’t put it in better way – it is absolutely beautiful and truthful. I happen to see that in UK for years now and I was myself addictive to be busy all the time – I hate it – I felt it was wrong. Slowly I reduced my work time – and even if I work half what most of the people do now days – I don’t mind – and I love to have more time just to go for a walk of read or write. Before that was impossible – life was so empty – just work and chaos around me in me. I hate it!
I still do, but I’m more aware of it – and want to change that.
I hope you will write soon more stories – I love stories.
 
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hattiebod

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I still stand where I stand at the beginning reading this, its naive thinking. Very contradicting.



Why do Atheists sometimes quote bible verse they like? Is that wrong? If you answered yes, I have lost all faith in humanity.
I just like what they have to say about what is important in my life, music. I view Jimi Hendrix as a great musician. He doesn't have to have a good lifestyle for me to admire his musical skills. That is probably the reason why praise and worship music sucks.
This is exactly what is the 'debatable' problem you see. It is not about what YOU think, what YOU want or 'God forbid' what you feel... It is about Jesus. It is about what your behaviour, how you behave, how your speech, ( typed words included ) influence others. Others who may not know the Lord...and that should always be formeost in our thoughts! You may indeed admire the musical skills of Hendrix, quite what is admirable about him as Christian is debatable, was he an amazing talented muscian ?? yes, he was. BUT what does that mean to us Christians? it means he had a talent but he did not necessarily use it for the benefit of the kingdom? You quote Nietzche? Manson? We may, to be able to reach out to others, have to give up what we want. What do we spend most of our time time explaining? our Lord Jesus Christ, or the route that we take to get to him? that ought to be a clue. Bless you, <><
 
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TosinAsLeader

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This is exactly what is the 'debatable' problem you see. It is not about what YOU think, what YOU want or 'God forbid' what you feel... It is about Jesus. It is about what your behaviour, how you behave, how your speech, ( typed words included ) influence others. Others who may not know the Lord...and that should always be formeost in our thoughts! You may indeed admire the musical skills of Hendrix, quite what is admirable about him as Christian is debatable, was he an amazing talented muscian ?? yes, he was. BUT what does that mean to us Christians? it means he had a talent but he did not necessarily use it for the benefit of the kingdom?
Yes I know, please go address that to the whole Christian religion so that they can be a living example of Yeshua.
He wasn't a Christian anyways so why would he be in a christian band and/or be a christian musician?

You quote Nietzche? Manson?
Yes I did, because what they have to say (as listed below) is true and means alot to myself.

We may, to be able to reach out to others, have to give up what we want. What do we spend most of our time time explaining? our Lord Jesus Christ, or the route that we take to get to him? that ought to be a clue. Bless you, <><
Is giving up to be the best musician I can be going to be glorify G-d in the end?

Who is "we?" What is the "clue?"
 

HEIsRiSen

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"Music is the strongest form of magic" -Marilyn Manson

Think about what is being said here. Do you know God's view on magic, witchcraft, divination and things of that sort? Manson was stating something that few people seem to acknowledge. Just something to think about...

I won't be returning to this thread, so quote me if you will, just don't expect an answer.

 

HEIsRiSen

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"Music is the strongest form of magic" -Marilyn Manson

Think about what is being said here. Do you know God's view on magic, witchcraft, divination and things of that sort? Manson was stating something that few people seem to acknowledge. Just something to think about...

I won't be returning to this thread, so quote me if you will, just don't expect an answer.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that all music is used for "magic". Just thought I'd clarify that.
 
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Wow that sounds like our Australian government
 
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Tintin

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I don't like Marilyn Mason or his music but he's not talking about the occult. His quote talks about the power, the imagination of music. It's ability to speak to the soul and change people for better or worse.
 
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Music is the highest form of praise. That is why the Holy Spirit tends to move during a song service.

However Satan or Lucifer was the highest angel in heaven and attended the throne. He is expert in all forms of music except the Horn. Satan has always used music to pervert the worship of God. Most modern Christian Rock groups say that they were inspired by secular rock groups. That I do not accept, How can you praise God while banging your head.
How can I lift my hand my hands and worship to head banging music.

That is why the hymns have lasted for 200 to 300 years they are anointed and not this junk the call christian rock or rap.

you can'y be like the world to win the the world. Come out from them and be ye seperate,
 

OnThisRock

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unattractive diabetics? baha. now that is off the charts!
 
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Hi

The old hymns were beautiful and still are, and live on in some churches they also tell stories if you listen. People can learn more about the bible from hymns then listening to somebody preaching. On saying that people only listen and hear what they wish to. Maybe the old hymns do not appeal to those who think Religeon allows them to do other things in it's name

I cannot come at the reasoning that the new music turns people and also can cause them to commit suicide.
They are just aiming at the young. I do not think many would listen to Bill Haley or Glenn Miller type of music
"And did those feet in ancient times" have any meaning for them either or most of you in this room.

But then I am not a Christian just having an interesting chat with some people with interesting views

If a person can be turned that easily I would not want them in my army anyway. This is the weak minded person who will turn at and for any reason not the words of a song telling them to do something wrong. Same as people who followed Manson etc and believed he was the Saviour. They actually believed enough to kill.

These people are actually looking for something else out of the square and will do what they need to anyway does not matter what they listen to.

Let the kids listen to their music they are one day going to be the leaders in their kind of Religious beliefs Just not in my time I hope.
 
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I will admit that some new music is wonderful. I enjoy listening to some. But, most of this Rock and rap stuff is unbearable and it is teaching are children to be like the world which we are called out from. I HAVE SEEN SOME THESE YOUTH MEETINGS AND i WOULDN'T KNOW IF I WAS AT CHURCH OR THE LOCAL PUB.
 
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isaria

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I have listened to Music where they sing about satan but its really good Music and its got heart and so much soul and is professional and Deep, real.I would find that more my type than if it was "sugarsweet" fakeness and not touching the sun and perhaps used to sing people out and do bad.I love much Music but not all musicians do it "that way" which is the way i admire and adore regardless what there "profile" looks like or appears.You feel it.I make Music sometimes but not with my human format.in the sea. I am morally against some Music though some may even be on charts like if make Music of theft , as in stealing Music someone else made which been many cases of some not revealed.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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14 David, wearing a linen ephod, danced before the Lord with all his might, 15while he and the entire house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouts and the sound of trumpets. 16 As the ark of the Lord was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she despised him in her heart. 17They brought the ark of the Lord and set it in its place inside the tent that David had pitched for it, and David sacrificed burnt offerings and fellowship offerings[SUP]f[/SUP] before the Lord. 18After he had finished sacrificing the burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the Lord Almighty. 19 Then he gave a loaf of bread, a cake of dates and a cake of raisins to each person in the whole crowd of Israelites, both men and women. And all the people went to their homes. 20 When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, disrobing in the sight of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!” 21 David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. 22I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”
 
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Hi

I did not see the original post on this. But I am familiar with the yahweh cult. Yes the person is correct they call God Yashua and believe that is the correct name to be used.

They are an offspring of the Jewish faith and at the moment are spreading over America.

Their preachers are very nice to talk to and try to con you into their ways.

I am very serious now be very careful of these people I have come up against them
 
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TosinAsLeader

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Music is the highest form of praise. That is why the Holy Spirit tends to move during a song service.

However Satan or Lucifer was the highest angel in heaven and attended the throne. He is expert in all forms of music except the Horn. Satan has always used music to pervert the worship of God. Most modern Christian Rock groups say that they were inspired by secular rock groups. That I do not accept, How can you praise God while banging your head.
How can I lift my hand my hands and worship to head banging music.

That is why the hymns have lasted for 200 to 300 years they are anointed and not this junk the call christian rock or rap.

you can'y be like the world to win the the world. Come out from them and be ye seperate,
You, yes you! I plan on writing a blog about this shortly so I am not going to throw all the facts at you. However, I will use my logic. I don't see how you can worship G-d to a broken record player of a song that has 4 chords? Sure, lyrics are a must, but musically; praise and worship lacks greatly.

You dont see how headbanging glorify G-d, but who says raising your hands was the only acceptable way? Some people think it is best to stay in reverence instead of jumping around like others feel it glorifies. I personally would headbang for Yeshua all day and feel his presence the same way as one at a revival.
 
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TosinAsLeader

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Hi

I did not see the original post on this. But I am familiar with the yahweh cult. Yes the person is correct they call God Yashua and believe that is the correct name to be used.

They are an offspring of the Jewish faith and at the moment are spreading over America.

Their preachers are very nice to talk to and try to con you into their ways.

I am very serious now be very careful of these people I have come up against them
uh I'm sorry what?
 

my_adonai_

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1Jn_2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

When you Love something, you will defend it even with arguments at times. and it takes humility to truly seek GOD on the matter even when you have gained a certain understanding on it, we do meet day to day challenges that make us want HIS wisdom to give us REST.

AS for this thread, ai its like when a person preaches or teaches, there are things that the LORD is speaking to you, and others that HE is not, so take whats yours in all humility and honesty. and work on it.

Excellent post, i loved this, it spoke to me.
 

rejoice83

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Music is a gift of God specially designed and ideally suited as a vehicle for the praise and adoration of God, and God deserves the very best musical expressions to be lifted up in his honor on the lips of His dear children.But the closer a creation is to God, the greater its potential for evil and idolatry if diverted short of its divine focus (witness Lucifer).And music can all too easily become an idol if the desire for excellence in its performance becomes an end in itself.

Since neither the purpose of music nor the style of music determines whether a Christian should listen to secular music, the content of the lyrics must be considered. While not specifically speaking of music, Philippians 4:8 is an excellent guide for musical lyrics: “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.” If we should be thinking about such things, surely those are the things we should invite into our minds through music and lyrics.These Scriptures give a clear picture of the kind of music we should not listen to; Philippians 4:8 and Colossians 3:2, 5: establishing wholesome thought patterns. Second Corinthians 10:5 says we should “take captive every thought and make it obedient to Christ


Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe (Hebrews 12:28).