The Evils Of Adoption

[QuestionTime]

Oh yeah, did you know you can choose for your child when they grow up, to NEVER find you? Do you think a brainwashed person would agree to that? Surely a brainwashed person (meaning someone who was in a state of vulnerability, but only for a short time) could opt to have their precious child find them later in life! I mean all they'd have to do is go back to the agency and give them their information. That's what 98% of these women did, right?

Dread, there is loads of info - I think even the birthmom who posted in the other adoption thread mentioned it - that there are laws that keep the birthmother from ever finding the child. These laws are set up to protect the adopted families from the birthmother attempting to contact the child.

The birthmother cannot just go and give info for the child to find her. It's not like that, at least it never used to be. Things may slowly be changing however.

 

[QuestionTime]

"that you claim the only way to prevent a baby from starving is to adopt it away." - WHEN did I say in my post that the only way to prevent a baby from starving was to have it adopted? You completely changed what I said to fit your agenda.

The best way to answer you is to use your own words:

In the case with the starving mother that can't support herself much less a child, there are many women around the world that want so much for their children to live a better life they literally try to hand their child to you as you walk by. We can't underestimate the emotion and how much they would want to keep their child, because I am positive many women do not want to give up their child, but in a case like this a loving mother giving her child up for adoption is her way of keeping her child alive. That is a strong love and a sad story, but it happens all the time.

You didn't say it was the only way, but you never gave an alternative method either. You said it was her way. Adoption is "her way." In other words it's the Mother's only way. If you don't offer an alternative you have only given one option. Of course, if there was an alternative it would be Christians helping mother and baby, exactly what I have been saying.

You claim I said it was also the easiest way, when on earth did I write these words? You are not allowed to put words in my mouth that were not there. I am not allowing that.

Please calm down. I read your post through multiple times and answered according to what you said.

The entire tenor of your post makes adoption out to be the easy way. Of course the difficult way is to actually help mother and baby together, but Christians don't seem interested in doing that.

So Question please next time thoroughly read what you are criticizing before you attempt to do so, because you have completely misread my post as well as responded in a wrong way.

I don't believe that I mis-read your post at all. I certainly meant no offense at any time either.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

Thread Status

At this point I am very disappointed with the outcome of this thread. I had expected that through the use of various proofs of the corruption in the adoption industry, that people would change their perspectives on adoption.

Sadly though, the proofs I have presented have been unable to penetrate through popular belief systems. These proofs are contrary to deeply engrained belief systems and therefore people find the proofs to be unbelievable. Consequently I must fall back to safer ground, and fight a much simpler battle.

I will resort once again to the question: What would Jesus do?

I can't imagine for a moment Jesus coming upon a mother who couldn't feed her child and - instead of offering to help feed and provide shelter to both mother and child - would instead take the child and give it to another mother, and then turn his back on the birthmother and send her away. But that is what Christians do every single day in the name of Jesus, and then they think they have done some saintly duty! Ridiculous!

I will also resort to threats of the judgment of God. God would not be pleased if someone:
A) Adopts a child and does not offer any help to the mother.
B) Adopts a child who was taken from his mother/family without permission/desire.

Using these tactics I stand safely on fortified ground. We know what Jesus would do, and we also know how much it pains God to see these mothers continue in their struggles - now made even harsher - because they have given their own flesh and blood away to strangers.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

Thread Status

At this point I am very disappointed with the outcome of this thread. I had expected that through the use of various proofs of the corruption in the adoption industry, that people would change their perspectives on adoption.

Sadly though, the proofs I have presented have been unable to penetrate through popular belief systems. These proofs are contrary to deeply engrained belief systems and therefore people find the proofs to be unbelievable. Consequently I must fall back to safer ground, and fight a much simpler battle.

I will resort once again to the question: What would Jesus do?

I can't imagine for a moment Jesus coming upon a mother who couldn't feed her child and - instead of offering to help feed and provide shelter to both mother and child - would instead take the child and give it to another mother, and then turn his back on the birthmother and send her away. But that is what Christians do every single day in the name of Jesus, and then they think they have done some saintly duty!

I will also resort to threats of the judgment of God. God would not be pleased if someone:
A) Adopts a child and does not offer any help to the mother.
B) Adopts a child who was taken from his mother/family without permission/desire.

Using these tactics I stand safely on fortified ground. We know what Jesus would do, and we also know how much it pains God to see these mothers continue in their struggles - now made even harsher - because they have given their own flesh and blood away to strangers.

Quest

 

[aprilrenee1]

You are lucky I am not a mod

 

[aussiebushman]

You are lucky I am not a mod

Agreed.
What he is trying to shove down peoples throats is just so very, very wrong.

Fair enough, hold these opinions close to your heart, but to be so dogmatic over them, on a PUBLIC FORUM, and giving NO CONSIDERATION to people who are adopted on here is just sick in my opinion.

I am so very sorry for the people who this person has upset, and my prayers are with you.

 

[aussiebushman]

Re: Thread Status

At this point I am very disappointed with the outcome of this thread.

Yeah...well...public opinion works that way. Even on a Christian forum.

I will also resort to threats of the judgment of God. God would not be pleased if someone:

Isn't that magnificent!
An internet thread doesn't go your way and you resort to purporting to have the authority to proclaim God's judgement.

HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!!!

A) Adopts a child and does not offer any help to the mother.
B) Adopts a child who was taken from his mother/family without permission/desire.

You know nothing of adoption.

So please just shut up!

Using these tactics I stand safely on fortified ground.

Oh no you don't.
You stand safely in eternal ****ation.

We know what Jesus would do

How dare you presume that you hypocrite!

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and we also know how much it pains God to see these mothers continue in their struggles - now made even harsher - because they have given their own flesh and blood away to strangers.

Just go away and find God.

 

[zavok]

i have do have a question as to why people would come up to you and ask to give your baby away thats not right a child shouuld only be forcefull take away if the parents or abusive or unfit to take care of the baby (does happen) if there young single they should recive help but i also ask if these people did truly want there children then how did they fall for the adoption agents by question like do you think you can rasie a child its stressyful and takes over your life. if they really wanted a baby they wouldnt of given in.

 

[QuestionTime]

You are lucky I am not a mod

I think I made a great compromise with you April, meeting half-way on this issue. Why are you still upset?

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

i have do have a question as to why people would come up to you and ask to give your baby away thats not right a child shouuld only be forcefull take away if the parents or abusive or unfit to take care of the baby (does happen) if there young single they should recive help but i also ask if these people did truly want there children then how did they fall for the adoption agents by question like do you think you can rasie a child its stressyful and takes over your life. if they really wanted a baby they wouldnt of given in.

Adoption is a 1.4 Billion $$$ industry. Babies don't come off an assembly line. In order to keep the business going the adoption agencies will do whatever and say whatever they can; because it's their income that's at stake. No babies, no money.

Why is it so surprising that people don't have morals in our society now-a-days? Immorality is rampant. People only care about living a comfortable life, and if they manipulate a birthmom or steal a child they will get paid.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

Agreed.
What he is trying to shove down peoples throats is just so very, very wrong.

Fair enough, hold these opinions close to your heart, but to be so dogmatic over them, on a PUBLIC FORUM, and giving NO CONSIDERATION to people who are adopted on here is just sick in my opinion.

I am so very sorry for the people who this person has upset, and my prayers are with you.

I am adopted Aussie, and there are a whole lot of adoptees and birthmom's who feel just like I do.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

Re: Thread Status

HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!!!

So please just shut up!

You stand safely in eternal ****ation.

How dare you presume that you hypocrite!

Just go away and find God.

This is downright abusive talk that deserves a banning.

Quest

 

[aussiebushman]

Re: Thread Status

I am adopted Aussie, and there are a whole lot of adoptees and birthmom's who feel just like I do.

Quest

Well if that is the case, you should have the good sense to show a bit of control and empathy for people who are justifiably upset at your incessant pontificating on the issue.

Instead, EVEN AFTER UPSETTING SOME POSTERS ON HERE, you keep on droning on and on.

And then you have a massive sook because the thread is not going as well as you expected.

This is downright abusive talk that deserves a banning.

Quest

Oh go and have a cry in the corner you blouse.

"Christians" like you make me sick.

 

[QuestionTime]

Re: Thread Status

Instead, EVEN AFTER UPSETTING SOME POSTERS ON HERE, you keep on droning on and on.

That's really excellent advice Aussie! By following your own advice you would do wonders for improving your reputation in this forum.

Quest

 

[aussiebushman]

Re: Thread Status

That's really excellent advice Aussie! By following your own advice you would do wonders for improving your reputation in this forum.

Quest

I am not the one upsetting people. With the exception of you, of course.

And I can live my reputation. I am not here for personal glory. Unlike yourself.

 

[pickles]

Wow, I have to wonder how many birth mothers you have actually spoken to.
I agree there have been many greavous mistakes made in the adoption world.
But there have also been many great gifts.
It was over thirty years ago when my sister became pregnant.
I will not go into why she ended her engagement but it was a wise desision.
She soon found out that she was pregnant.
I can only tell you that she thought long and hard about her choice, all the while loving the baby she carried with all her heart and soul.
She came to the choice of giving her child to adoptive parents because she wanted her child to have a secure and loving home.
Our father had left us whe young and she wanted her child to know two loving parents.
She knew exactly what she was doing and did this because of her great love for her child.
I watched her cry for many months after giving birth, we asked her often was she sure. She would reply yes, she only cried for herself.
It was an open adoption.
19 yrs later her child contacted her and then all of our family.
You never saw so much celibration.
Her child already knew of her great love . then let us know how great her gift was.
Her child had loving parents who still are the real mom and dad. That thier life was wonderful and secure, and good in every way.
Her child is now blessed with more that just one set of parents and family.
Her child now has double the love and care of all of us.

There is alot of good also in adoption, the bad is ussually do to those that are evil and abuse.
Such can happen in anything or any life.
But where the love of God rules, all is great and glorified !
God bless, pickles

 

[pickles]

I wanted to add.
You posted alot about the evil actions and oppinions of others.
These things ussually happen when one begins to believe that they know what is best for all.
That they only, can say what is best.
If we are in Jesus there is only one that can make all that is done good.
And in giving all to Our Lord God, all is made good and glorifies Him.
If any of us were to think that we alone know what is best, then we will end up buried in the sin of pride and corruption.
But if we commit all we do to God Our Father, there is no limit to his great love and power in us.
Remember, Jesus himself said this is not my mother, we are all mothers, brothers ,sisters and fathers in Our Lord God.
God bless, pickles

 

[aussiebushman]

I wanted to add.
You posted alot about the evil actions and oppinions of others.
These things ussually happen when one begins to believe that they know what is best for all.
That they only, can say what is best.
If we are in Jesus there is only one that can make all that is done good.
And in giving all to Our Lord God, all is made good and glorifies Him.
If any of us were to think that we alone know what is best, then we will end up buried in the sin of pride and corruption.
But if we commit all we do to God Our Father, there is no limit to his great love and power in us.
Remember, Jesus himself said this is not my mother, we are all mothers, brothers ,sisters and fathers in Our Lord God.
God bless, pickles

Amen sister.
Well said.

 

[ChristianTeen]

I am adopted and it's the best thing that has ever happened to me. Without my adoptive parents, i would probably be in some cold stink hole somewhere in America. Besides, which is better, adoption or abortion? Would you rather have been aborted or adopted?

 

[QuestionTime]

These things ussually happen when one begins to believe that they know what is best for all.That they only, can say what is best.
If we are in Jesus there is only one that can make all that is done good.
And in giving all to Our Lord God, all is made good and glorifies Him.
If any of us were to think that we alone know what is best, then we will end up buried in the sin of pride and corruption.

Indeed Pickles I took a hard stance, but I feel it is necessary because this issue is so lopsided.

Still no one here has convinced me that if our Lord was here today, that he would take a birthmother's baby, give it to someone else (adoptive mother) and then send the birthmother on her way without help. Until someone can convince me of this I find it hard to accept that adoption is in God's best interest. If our Lord didn't do this then I think we can safely deduce what God thinks is "best for all."

Quest