The Invention of Homosexuality

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Blackpowderduelist

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All that you stated I agree with. This has nothing to do with how population naturally effects testosterone levels in males. It is the human retrobate mind that translates sub-male traits to represent that your femininity must be made manifested as a gay male. A male born feminine who accepted Christ completely wouldn’t feel the need to express himself sexually at all, let alone as a homosexual. He would just live for God asexually as did many of the Jewish males who were castrated when they were captured. That is the difference of being spiritually born. The flesh and its carnality are no longer masters to us. Man was made to serve God, not the flesh. Everything you posted is an example of people who live to satisfy the flesh.
The scripture is clear, this passage is about humanity as a group. Sinful men and cultures are given over to reprobate inclinations and sin multiplies in cultures that reject God.
 
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SophieT

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If a "spirit" speaks to you, and what it tells you doesn't line up with what the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, inspired men to write in the Bible, then it's either Satan or a demon speaking to you.
so many seem to have a hard time grasping this
 
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SophieT

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However the propensity to eat clean, love sobriety and have heterosexual relations aren’t innate.
still didn't read Romans 1 then?


What I have stated opposes understanding.

in every case but your personal understanding. I would laugh, but it appears you are serious
 

Magenta

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Until functioning testicles turn it up a notch at puberty, there is less difference between boys and girls but still a noticeable difference. I can see why the Lord led me to write this. Clearly the bigotry among Christians towards homosexuals is evident. If I had said physically retarded people are born that way, there is no argument. Had I said mentally retarded people are born and again, a resounding YES! I suggest sexually retarded people are born and nothing but accusations of demonic heresy. However, physically retarded people get sympathy, mentally retarded people get sympathy and sexually retarded people get teased, told they are destined for Hell and accepted only by sinners who manipulate their less than normal traits and give them a false hope that they too can find happiness. If I have seen a group of Christians who honour the Lord by loving sinners as He did, it is not in this forum.
It seems you have overlooked my response. Still, I am reminded of the answer Jesus gave
when asked whose sin led to a blind man being born blind:
John 9:1 Now as Jesus was
passing by, He saw a man blind from birth, 2 and His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who
sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 Jesus answered,
“Neither this
man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God would be displayed in him."
 
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SophieT

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I can see why the Lord led me to write this.
Please don't blame God for the op you 'felt' an urge to create.

and we're off..........

you know, really....really really really....it may be that God did tell you to create the op in order for people who consult their Bibles and understand that you are way off in the wilderness somewhere, might...just maybe might but I am not holding my breath cause I have seen this sort of things way too often but God is good.....to try and show you your error(s)
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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oh

I thought pandemics and disease was up for that problem :unsure:

so you are saying God put feminine men on earth to control the population. do I have that right?

waaaaaaaay out in left field IMO

totally left out the sin equation and the fact this earth is OUT of balance and will be until God puts HIS finger on the scale

I said out in left field, but truthfully, I think it's more like the op is watching too many national geo 'docs' and maybe the history channel too. reads like a really bad school term report. I give it a D-
Agreed! but would give and F- on the grade. But I guess I'm less charitable than you are.
 

Ahwatukee

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Homosexuality has been and remains to be a topic of strong opinion. One of the reasons many object to God being loving and merciful is, why would He judge people for being homosexual when they were born that way? Those who defend God’s character suggest homosexuality is a choice. That is the only way that they can justify it. However, it is clear that some dudes are just born feminine. They don’t act the same or think the same as those born masculine and vice versa for women. So, did He in fact create homosexuality? I asked Him. This is how He explained it to me.
How about resisting those detestable desires, instead of engaging in them? The reason is that they have no faith and therefore there is no fear of God. There are also the outside influences by the powers of darkness to keep people engaged in the same-sex life style and that because all sexual immorality leads to condemnation.

The problem is that those who are willfully living a sexually immoral life, style are more concerned with fulfilling their desires instead of honoring God with their bodies.

"In the beginning He (God) made them male and female. And for this reason a man is to leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become on flesh."

Neither two men nor two woman can bear children.

The anatomies of a men and woman complement one another. Two men or two women together, do not.

There is certain type of wrath that is currently going on, which is described in Romans 1 and is why we have been seeing such a rise in the same-sex life style. The reason is that God has given them over to the their evil passions to do what ought not be done. Regarding them, Jude says the following:

"In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire."

Regarding this, Paul also warns the Galatian church regarding those who practice sexual immorality of any kind:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

At judgment, God is not going to be convinced that this life style is ok. Those who live like this and die in that state, will be condemned in the lake of fire.

Now, a person who is living a sexually immoral live style, if they put their faith in Christ and repent, then they will be forgiven just like anyone else, according to the Lord's promise. The problem today is that, instead of repenting, people are embracing that life style, with the whole world trying to convince everyone that it is ok. But it won't be ok when they die and when they finally stand at judgment. They're not going to say to God, "but the judges and the laws made same sex marriage ok." Man's law does not override God's word.

So, stop attempting to reason with yourself about this and understand that anyone willfully living that live style, it leads to certain condemnation. No ifs, ands or buts!
 
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kaylagrl

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Until functioning testicles turn it up a notch at puberty, there is less difference between boys and girls but still a noticeable difference. I can see why the Lord led me to write this. Clearly the bigotry among Christians towards homosexuals is evident.
Holllld up!! Back the truck up! Calling sin, sin is not bigotry. Homosexuality is a choice. No one is born that way. God didn't make anyone that way. If he did that would make him cruel and I liar. You need to be careful with your accusations.


If I had said physically retarded people are born that way, there is no argument.
Why would there be an argument?! They are born that way. They didn't choose to be ill. smh



Had I said mentally retarded people are born and again, a resounding YES!
As much as they are able to understand, yes. Why wouldn't they be? They didn't commit sin, they aren't mentally handicapped because of sin.



I suggest sexually retarded people are born and nothing but accusations of demonic heresy.
No, no, no you don't!! Don't you make God out to be a liar! You are making an excuse for a sin choice. You're being sneaky, but you're still saying God created them to be that way. No he did not! Don't you dare try and compare a mentally handicapped person to a homosexual that has made a choice to sin. You're lying to people and making God out to be a liar.




However, physically retarded people get sympathy, mentally retarded people get sympathy
Really?! Many are also teased mercilessly and abused, for something they cannot change.




and sexually retarded people get teased, told they are destined for Hell
They are not retarded, that's a lie and an excuse. And they are headed for hell if they don't repent of their sin, which is a choice and not something they are born with. And if you cared about them as much as you pretend to you'd tell them the truth before it's too late.




and accepted only by sinners who manipulate their less than normal traits and give them a false hope that they too can find happiness. If I have seen a group of Christians who honour the Lord by loving sinners as He did, it is not in this forum.
Loving sinners means telling them they are in sin and in need of a Savior. They need to be told they are in bondage and there is a Deliverer. I certainly hope you don't tell other people this nonsense and lead them further away from the truth. If you love people, you tell them the truth. But before you tell anyone else the truth you better know it yourself, and you do not! smh
 
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Holllld up!! Back the truck up! Calling sin, sin is not bigotry. Homosexuality is a choice. No one is born that way. God didn't make anyone that way. If he did that would make him cruel and I liar. You need to be careful with your accusations.




Why would there be an argument?! They are born that way. They didn't choose to be ill. smh





As much as they are able to understand, yes. Why wouldn't they be? They didn't commit sin, they aren't mentally handicapped because of sin.





No, no, no you don't!! Don't you make God out to be a liar! You are making an excuse for a sin choice. You're being sneaky, but you're still saying God created them to be that way. No he did not! Don't you dare try and compare a mentally handicapped person to a homosexual that has made a choice to sin. You're lying to people and making God out to be a liar.






Really?! Many are also teased mercilessly and abused, for something they cannot change.






They are not retarded, that's a lie and an excuse. And they are headed for hell if they don't repent of their sin, which is a choice and not something they are born with. And if you cared about them as much as you pretend to you'd tell them the truth before it's too late.






Loving sinners means telling them they are in sin and in need of a Savior. They need to be told they are in bondage and there is a Deliverer. I certainly hope you don't tell other people this nonsense and lead them further away from the truth. If you love people, you tell them the truth. But before you tell anyone else the truth you better know it yourself, and you do not! smh
Being born gay isn’t the same as being born sexually retarded.
 
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It seems you have overlooked my response. Still, I am reminded of the answer Jesus gave
when asked whose sin led to a blind man being born blind:
John 9:1 Now as Jesus was
passing by, He saw a man blind from birth, 2 and His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who
sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 Jesus answered,
“Neither this
man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God would be displayed in him."
Apologies, I wasn’t referring to a few posters. It was the ones who object so vehemently that perhaps there are individuals are born differently. How they choose to express themselves is sin. I was hoping that understanding we are forced into gender roles. Sure some choose the wrong ones based on poor information. If we were in the wild it would be obvious. There would be no gay community to give the choice. It would just be breeding and non breeding.
 

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Homosexuality has been and remains to be a topic of strong opinion. One of the reasons many object to God being loving and merciful is, why would He judge people for being homosexual when they were born that way? Those who defend God’s character suggest homosexuality is a choice. That is the only way that they can justify it. However, it is clear that some dudes are just born feminine. They don’t act the same or think the same as those born masculine and vice versa for women. So, did He in fact create homosexuality? I asked Him. This is how He explained it to me.

All creation is balanced, or created to be balanced. When there is imbalance, the scales tip and something gets triggered to bring it back. Populations are controlled by food in general. There is natural thinning of the herds. Top predator populations are controlled by hormones. Alphas procreate. Females determine which suitors get to pass on their genes. When human populations increase too rapidly for an area the scales tip. First food shortages may cause the group to divide in search for greener pastures. Too many alphas may cause battles to force natural selection. When neither happens then stress and poor nutrition cause testosterone levels to drop in populations. This causes females to find less suitable men to pass on their genes, creating less birth to death ratio. Since humans glorify sex and celebrate it and allow it to define them, it becomes problematic. Rather than a dude following instincts and being celibate, he adopts the taught programming that all people will be unfulfilled if they don’t find the love of their life. God invented sex but He didn’t invent sexuality, how one defines their expression of hormonal urges. Sex is the procreative mechanism designed to perpetuate humanity so strong healthy populations survive while weak ones thin. It’s a mercy. It’s balance. When He sent Israel on military campaigns to destroy populations, it was to maintain balance. Who knows what might have happened if He didn’t? He does. Anyways, the point is this. Sexuality is psychological. It is how one formulates input, emotions and programming to compute a rationale regardless of logic. He did design a system that causes some men to be less manly and some women to be less feminine. It was man however that interpreted that input incorrectly. What?! Sex wasn’t designed to define us and make us whole? Nope. It’s not some sacred gift we give to another, making us one with them? Not exactly. Eliminate the programming from your thoughts, all of it. Allow He who designed us renew your mind. Don’t even listen to me. Listen to Him who told me.
I did read your OP.

Sexuality is psychological.
I disagree

Sex wasn’t designed to define us and make us whole? Nope. It’s not some sacred gift
Well there is a whole book in the Bible that seems to show sex as sacred.

Sacred: not to be violated, criticized, or tampered with.

Sex probably has the most laws on dictating the boundaries of it. It was designed not just for reproducing but to become one flesh. The intimacy molds the hearts and minds so that they become close in both mind, body, and spirit.

Don’t even listen to me. Listen to Him who told me.
We filter everything through the Word. Even visions, dreams, or explanations.
 

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Tell me, if I pledge my life to Christ, accept Him as my Saviour, honour Him in thought and in deed, love God with all of my mind, heart and soul, love my enemies and fast and pray, when I hear Him answer, who’s voice do you suppose it is?
Casting down every imagination and high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.

Direction to believers - why? Because we all need help distinguish the voice of God from our deceitful hearts, or imaginations and the enemy.

Test every spirit - even your own.

None of us have all knowledge... anyone with “a word From God” should speak it out to the church, and the others Must be allowed to weigh it up and test it. If they have something to add, the first should be quiet and listen.

It’s for a very good reason.

And - This principle has been the case ever since the Holy spirit came and gave gifts to the church.
 
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toAhwatukee

and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

to a very large degree, 'themselves' means physical appearance and personality.
Well worth deeper study and observation in society in general


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There is no such thing, period. Nowhere in the Bible can you find that.
There is no record of Siamese twins being born. I guess that they too are mythical? Why are you so adamant that I am wrong? What logic must you adopt to accept that hermaphrodites don’t exist? If your genitalia that determines your gender (sex) is less than optimal (retarded) then why is sexual retardation not a plausibility? This is why the Lord will judge us and not each other. I’m not saying homosexuality is good and that people are born desiring their own gender. All I stated were hard facts. Some dudes are born with less than optimal functioning testicles. Some girls are born producing less estrogen. This leaves them testosterone dominant. It is society that shapes these deficiencies into sexuality and presents the choice of homosexuality. Gender is genetic, sexuality is psychological. I didn’t say it was good or acceptable. I get that it’s a choice and a sin. I also get that their choice condemns them. To say that males and females who walk the road of homosexuality were born exactly the same as those who walk the road of heterosexuality is intellectually dishonest. It’s a hard fact in some cases. When I asked God about it, He told me it was population control. It’s natural for heavily populated areas to have young men have highly reduced testosterone. This is what we are seeing today. Poor nutrition, and stress totally causes testosterone deficiencies. God said this is normal, so less babies are born. The abomination is what society tells us. That it is our sexual responsibility to ourselves to find a person to explore every pleasure that stimulates us. As designed sex is for procreation with the benefit of pleasure. It wasn’t designed for pleasure with the benefit of procreation. Everything I stated is true and logical.
 
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Is this science? Or made up?
Words are invented every day to better describe what was less defined prior. What term would you give to male who was born with less than optimal functioning genitals or a unic for that matter? I chose the term sexually retarded. Do you have a better one?
 
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Casting down every imagination and high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.

Direction to believers - why? Because we all need help distinguish the voice of God from our deceitful hearts, or imaginations and the enemy.

Test every spirit - even your own.

None of us have all knowledge... anyone with “a word From God” should speak it out to the church, and the others Must be allowed to weigh it up and test it. If they have something to add, the first should be quiet and listen.

It’s for a very good reason.

And - This principle has been the case ever since the Holy spirit came and gave gifts to the church.
I thought that is what I was doing here. The only problem is when I say, “The sun is a star.” They say, “Don’t be ridiculous! The stars are way out there. They are small and only shine at night when the sun buries itself behind the horizon.”
 
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I did read your OP.



I disagree



Well there is a whole book in the Bible that seems to show sex as sacred.

Sacred: not to be violated, criticized, or tampered with.

Sex probably has the most laws on dictating the boundaries of it. It was designed not just for reproducing but to become one flesh. The intimacy molds the hearts and minds so that they become close in both mind, body, and spirit.



We filter everything through the Word. Even visions, dreams, or explanations.
How many laws did God give the beasts of the earth? Question for you? If sex is as you say what logic can you apply to Jacob not only marrying two women but also having sex with their hand maids. Not only was it acceptable to God but He made this family the twelve tribes of Israel. Maybe it isn’t the Bible that teaches what you think. It is interpretation of personal experience. Marriages weren’t some miraculous spiritual bonding unified by the sacred sacrament of sex. It was a legal arrangement, and it still is. If I gave you a million US dollars it is valueless except for kindling unless someone wants to trade you something tangible for it. Value is perceived. The bond created by sex is based the value placed on the sex. This is what makes that bond strong and weak and why it is so important to agree on its value. Prostitution exists because a man and a woman can agree on a dollar amount for a sexual act. This is the perceived value. It’s not a magical bond that transpires. The magical bond only happens when two people purpose in their hearts to bond and live for each other. You don’t even need sex. We are one with Christ in this same arrangement of oneness. Sex is for procreation. We procreate out of sex and the family thrives from oneness, working together.

The value we place on the sex is psychological. If I am in a sexless marriage because she can’t have sex should the bond be void? If it’s because she won’t have sex is that different? Sex is still the same variable. Perception is different. Perception is psychological.