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kaylagrl

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Ok wow... Let me be more clear. I think that what people (church types) call demons, are mostly their own flesh. In other words they are not willing to accept responsibility for their actions not confess their desires, so they call it demon oppression. I forgot I was talking to churchy types and that means it has to be spelled all the way out, because speaking regular language is not acceptable.

I partly agree with what you're saying. A big fad came through the churches about a decade ago. Everything was a demon. I was in a church like that,the pastors wife saw a demon in everything,had me wondering why. So I do believe there is an element of that. But I also believe there is actual demonic oppression. And there is not doubt there is demonic possession,but the Bible never indicates a Christian can be possessed.
 

Demi777

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One doesnt happen without the other. Chemistry doesnt change until theres something to change it.
The chemistry u see is just t bf e symptom of how far the root has gotten
 

Locoponydirtman

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Come on bro, that's not a cool or appropriate response. You're the one who misspoke in your first response, own it.
I won't say that this isn't a bit heavy handed. Because it is. I do have a bit of irritation with churchanese speak.
Let me explain.
It's not my hand that desires to ball up and shake itself in anger, not my foot that would that walks through the door of a bar. It's not my skin or muscles or organs that bring weakness to temptation and sin. We say flesh but it's not this corpse. It's flesh appeasing desires in our spirit. This is where the battle between fleshly desire and spiritual desire takes place.
So when I say that mostly demons are just our fallen flesh. It is our own unclean spiritual desire to appease the flesh. Until we are honest and confess it we will never be free of it.
 

Nehemiah6

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Ok wow... Let me be more clear. I think that what people (church types) call demons, are mostly their own flesh. In other words they are not willing to accept responsibility for their actions not confess their desires, so they call it demon oppression. I forgot I was talking to churchy types and that means it has to be spelled all the way out, because speaking regular language is not acceptable.
You are still quite mistaken. While there are some people who label every sin as a *spirit of ____*, which is false, the fact remains that spirit beings called demons are very real and very dangerous. They can and do take possession of people, and they can do all kinds of harmful things.
 
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I won't say that this isn't a bit heavy handed. Because it is. I do have a bit of irritation with churchanese speak.
Let me explain.
It's not my hand that desires to ball up and shake itself in anger, not my foot that would that walks through the door of a bar. It's not my skin or muscles or organs that bring weakness to temptation and sin. We say flesh but it's not this corpse. It's flesh appeasing desires in our spirit. This is where the battle between fleshly desire and spiritual desire takes place.
So when I say that mostly demons are just our fallen flesh. It is our own unclean spiritual desire to appease the flesh. Until we are honest and confess it we will never be free of it.
I understood what you meant in the post I responded to. I don't think any of us disagree with the struggle of our flesh, but your first comment wasn't clear at all. For the record there are some who believe and teach that the demons and Satan are only ourselves.
 

Locoponydirtman

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You are still quite mistaken. While there are some people who label every sin as a *spirit of ____*, which is false, the fact remains that spirit beings called demons are very real and very dangerous. They can and do take possession of people, and they can do all kinds of harmful things.
Thou thinkest too highly of thine self.
Demons hath no time for mere commoners, whilst there remainest dignitaries, governors, majestrates, priest, and Pope's in lofty places, by which the harm can be multiplied. Besides that which is the rightful property of the Lord can not be possessed by the wicked foul foe nor his minion
 

Subhumanoidal

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[ImQUOTE="kaylagrl, post: 3847686, member: 207700"]I think there are two words that must be remembered, oppression/possession. There is a difference.[/QUOTE]
I'm well aware of both, but mental illness does not mean demon afflicted anymore than a cold or cancer is a demon. Fallen, broken bodies malfunction due to the sin in our bodies. The brain is physical and can not work right the same way peoples bodies do. Nothing requires a demon for that.
 
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Is he a physician?
Why He's just the best! :)

You can also call Him God, as well!

Can be found in the Kingdom of God!

A "part" of Him can be found in Christ Jesus as well.

The larger "part" is in the Kingdom of God. (where the real "meat and potatoes" are! ;))
 
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I'm not saying that evil spirits don't exist, They most certainly do. However I think that Satanic forces are given far too much credit. Saying mental illness does not exist and people aren't born mentally wrong is like denial of birth defects. The sins of ancestors often become manifest the flesh of their descendants. The effects of incest, alcoholism, sorcery, (drug abuse) as well as the traits for well known mental illnesses are know to be passed from generation to generation. Anyone who has studied these things with the comprehension of an adolescent dosn't need a library full of text books to quantify these things. They are as obvious as the changing of seasons.
Gotta agrees with ya man! The Lord my God, is very "jealous!"

Rather like walking across a razor's edge wearing ice skates, it is!

Love, sure does cover a lot of sin! But, it sure don't cover every sin! :)
 

tourist

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Why He's just the best! :)

You can also call Him God, as well!

Can be found in the Kingdom of God!

A "part" of Him can be found in Christ Jesus as well.

The larger "part" is in the Kingdom of God. (where the real "meat and potatoes" are! ;))
He is the Great Physician.
 
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Thou thinkest too highly of thine self.
Demons hath no time for mere commoners, whilst there remainest dignitaries, governors, majestrates, priest, and Pope's in lofty places, by which the harm can be multiplied. Besides that which is the rightful property of the Lord can not be possessed by the wicked foul foe nor his minion
These passages were written to and for the "commoners:"

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places." -- Ephesians 6:12

And this:

"Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." -- 1 Peter 5:8

This:

"Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive. Indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ, so that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs." -- 2 Corinthians 2:10-11

And this:

"And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown: when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that is sown in them." -- Mark 4:15
 
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He is the Great Physician.
Think, if you will, if you're old enough to remember what an old telephone "switchboard" is like. With all the cables and holes to connect? Then picture hands plugging and unplugging connection after connection. Reconnecting differently, then what was? Then, you would have a "picture of an idea", of Isaiah 28:

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

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Thou thinkest too highly of thine self.
Demons hath no time for mere commoners, whilst there remainest dignitaries, governors, majestrates, priest, and Pope's in lofty places, by which the harm can be multiplied. Besides that which is the rightful property of the Lord can not be possessed by the wicked foul foe nor his minion

Methinks what old Ben Franklin said applies to both the "physical" realm and the "unseen" realm!

"People who give up liberty and freedom for security?" "Deserve NEITHER!"
 

tourist

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Think, if you will, if you're old enough to remember what an old telephone "switchboard" is like. With all the cables and holes to connect? Then picture hands plugging and unplugging connection after connection. Reconnecting differently, then what was? Then, you would have a "picture of an idea", of Isaiah 28:

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

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This is one of my favorite verses from the book of Isaiah.
Isaiah 1:18
"Come now, and let us reason together...".

The verse you provided from Isaiah 28:10 is another favorite of mine and I have used it often in my posts.
 

Locoponydirtman

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These passages were written to and for the "commoners:"

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places." -- Ephesians 6:12

And this:

"Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." -- 1 Peter 5:8

This:

"Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive. Indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ, so that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs." -- 2 Corinthians 2:10-11

And this:

"And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown: when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that is sown in them." -- Mark 4:15
Satan is not omnipresent like God is. Neither are his demons. Their affects and effects is through out the world every where, and there are many of them, but they can only be in one place at a time.
They don't have to directly attack me or you even... Well maybe you, but not me. I struggle with my own struggles against my own weaknesses, and yes the affects of the work of the devil in this world. Satan casts a broad net by directing his attacks against people who have influence in society then their evil has effect. The sexual explicit stuff on TV isn't directed at me it's a broad net to trap many. If you take my meaning.
 
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Satan is not omnipresent like God is. Neither are his demons. Their affects and effects is through out the world every where, and there are many of them, but they can only be in one place at a time.
They don't have to directly attack me or you even... Well maybe you, but not me. I struggle with my own struggles against my own weaknesses, and yes the affects of the work of the devil in this world. Satan casts a broad net by directing his attacks against people who have influence in society then their evil has effect. The sexual explicit stuff on TV isn't directed at me it's a broad net to trap many. If you take my meaning.
...and not even one Scripture, just you and your thoughts. Hmmmm.

I'll stick with the Scripture for the "commoners."

For the record nothing I've stated suggests Satan is omni-anything.
 
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" Intellectual wisdom is often clouded by arrogance, as worldly thinking
hinders spiritual insight.
The indwelling Spirit helps the believer understand and apply the Scripture to his daily life (1 Corinthians 2:12).
 

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