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It great to meet you as well! Would it be too much to ask you to cover your face in your profile pic? I mean really...
I have to tell you your men in the Navy are AWESOME ! We had some great times in Japan..!!!
Off the record I'm moving there once they install Hill Dog Clinnnnton!!
I have to tell you your men in the Navy are AWESOME ! We had some great times in Japan..!!!
Off the record I'm moving there once they install Hill Dog Clinnnnton!!
Great place to live, and from how's it looking over there you may wanna pack your bags!
I'm really curious as to what intentional causation of another's sin actually in reality entails in regards to women's attire?
I totally get that some woman dress very provocatively and that is not essentially helpful to how they may be perceived but it is so subjective I'm not sure where the line is drawn.
For some that may be too much cleavage, for others it may be gym or yoga pants. The women in India think nothing of showing their navels with stomach piercings as per their culture but would never show their legs.
At what point does a man blame a woman for her choice of clothes?
To say it 'causes' another to sin is by definition placing the blame upon the shoulders of the woman.
Is that really fair?
As a 5"10, blonde, attractive woman who takes care of herself and her body, I get unwanted attention from men. It really doesn't matter what I wear. If I'm in my gym clothes I am dressed like that not for the attention of men but because I need certain attire to comfortably work out in. I'm usually getting four kids ready to run out the door and hopefully get everyone where they need to be on time, I grab something out of my closet and throw it on. I'm not thinking about my desirability to men when I do so, I'm thinking what's comfortable and hopefully doesn't need an iron.
If my pants which may I add have no camel toe going on causes a man to sin, that is not my responsibility.
What does that exactly mean, causes a man to sin?
There is nothing wrong or sinful about finding people attractive. Attraction is not lust and is a normal part of the human condition. So we're not talking about finding someone attractive. We do that all the time, innocently realise a persons attractive traits.
We are talking about lustful thoughts that progress long past a simple notice of attractiveness.
If thoughts within our heads, men and women alike progress to the realm of sin where lewd and deviant thoughts creep in, that is a condition of weakness on our behalf.
There is a culture that exists that puts forward this notion that men couldn't help it, it was the woman's fault, she was asking for it because of what she was wearing, it is called the rape culture.
Im not suggesting whatsoever that anybody here is meaning that at all but what I am saying is that this idea that woman are to blame for the misconduct of men is a dangerous ideology. Middle eastern men make this accusation all the time about western woman who they rape, in Australia there have been gang rapes of girls and the excuse was their clothing was revealing, they were asking for it. I should add that it is not only middle eastern men.
It is taking the idea to the extreme but the woman caused the sin of the man.
Interestingly woman are bombarded constantly about body image. On TV, magazines with airbrushed ideals of half naked woman. Feelings of inadequatecy creep in, I'm a good enough, am I attractive enough? all for the desire of men. On the flip side we are then made to question our modesty, am I dressed demurely enough?, are my pants too tight? Another question of our desirability to men but on the flip side.
Our bodies made the object of men's desirability one way or the other.
I say bugger that. I dress the way I feel comfortable and confident as a Christian woman. I am a mother and a wife that does not dress overly provocatively but if I want to wear gym pants, or I have special night out and I'm with my husband and choose to wear a dress that doesn't come down to my ankles or I'm at the beach with my kids and I wear a bathing suit then I will do so confidently and without questioning my desirability or lack thereof to other men. I honour my husband and God and I make my choices with that in mind. I wear what I see as appropriate, they are my choices and those choices are between myself and God.
If any individual cannot control their wandering minds then that is their responsibility to take up with God.
I will not be held accountable for the weakness of anybody.
I totally get that some woman dress very provocatively and that is not essentially helpful to how they may be perceived but it is so subjective I'm not sure where the line is drawn.
For some that may be too much cleavage, for others it may be gym or yoga pants. The women in India think nothing of showing their navels with stomach piercings as per their culture but would never show their legs.
At what point does a man blame a woman for her choice of clothes?
To say it 'causes' another to sin is by definition placing the blame upon the shoulders of the woman.
Is that really fair?
As a 5"10, blonde, attractive woman who takes care of herself and her body, I get unwanted attention from men. It really doesn't matter what I wear. If I'm in my gym clothes I am dressed like that not for the attention of men but because I need certain attire to comfortably work out in. I'm usually getting four kids ready to run out the door and hopefully get everyone where they need to be on time, I grab something out of my closet and throw it on. I'm not thinking about my desirability to men when I do so, I'm thinking what's comfortable and hopefully doesn't need an iron.
If my pants which may I add have no camel toe going on causes a man to sin, that is not my responsibility.
What does that exactly mean, causes a man to sin?
There is nothing wrong or sinful about finding people attractive. Attraction is not lust and is a normal part of the human condition. So we're not talking about finding someone attractive. We do that all the time, innocently realise a persons attractive traits.
We are talking about lustful thoughts that progress long past a simple notice of attractiveness.
If thoughts within our heads, men and women alike progress to the realm of sin where lewd and deviant thoughts creep in, that is a condition of weakness on our behalf.
There is a culture that exists that puts forward this notion that men couldn't help it, it was the woman's fault, she was asking for it because of what she was wearing, it is called the rape culture.
Im not suggesting whatsoever that anybody here is meaning that at all but what I am saying is that this idea that woman are to blame for the misconduct of men is a dangerous ideology. Middle eastern men make this accusation all the time about western woman who they rape, in Australia there have been gang rapes of girls and the excuse was their clothing was revealing, they were asking for it. I should add that it is not only middle eastern men.
It is taking the idea to the extreme but the woman caused the sin of the man.
Interestingly woman are bombarded constantly about body image. On TV, magazines with airbrushed ideals of half naked woman. Feelings of inadequatecy creep in, I'm a good enough, am I attractive enough? all for the desire of men. On the flip side we are then made to question our modesty, am I dressed demurely enough?, are my pants too tight? Another question of our desirability to men but on the flip side.
Our bodies made the object of men's desirability one way or the other.
I say bugger that. I dress the way I feel comfortable and confident as a Christian woman. I am a mother and a wife that does not dress overly provocatively but if I want to wear gym pants, or I have special night out and I'm with my husband and choose to wear a dress that doesn't come down to my ankles or I'm at the beach with my kids and I wear a bathing suit then I will do so confidently and without questioning my desirability or lack thereof to other men. I honour my husband and God and I make my choices with that in mind. I wear what I see as appropriate, they are my choices and those choices are between myself and God.
If any individual cannot control their wandering minds then that is their responsibility to take up with God.
I will not be held accountable for the weakness of anybody.
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AHHHHH.... NO walls of text please... it hurts our hearts....
But u new so forgive... Anyway, I have said all I can possibly say about this. Let's just agree that there are just something women won't understand about men and vice-versa...
Re: the red text above...
- Are you still selling that old adage that you do it for the men? Ahahaha - I AM married - to an attractive woman and I have not only been told by her but other women... they could careless about what men think it's a huge competition between women....OH...... AND .... YOU guys tear each other to shreds on looks not US so PALEESEE....
I have been there a million times!!! The tag line is always the same... you see something another girl is wearing and.... let's hear it... "That is soooooooooooooo CUTE!!!!!!! I have to get one/some whatever..."