Too much Sinful Music in Churches
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Some of us boring ol grandpas, like the theology of hymns rather than the mindless seven 11 varities. We dont find proper theology boring at all. I get your scarcasim though, we do a blended worship at our church but make sure the songs are theologically sound and rich.
As for the OP you might as well find another place to worship as this prefrence issue is interfering with your worship and causing you to sin. It will get worse before it gets better. I attended a church like that for a while, I wore ear plugs complanined about the vloume as it made my ears hurt, but tolerated it as the preaching was good, it wasnt to long before the preaching went south and the pastor was caught in sin.
There are good churches out there hard to find but around.
As for the OP you might as well find another place to worship as this prefrence issue is interfering with your worship and causing you to sin. It will get worse before it gets better. I attended a church like that for a while, I wore ear plugs complanined about the vloume as it made my ears hurt, but tolerated it as the preaching was good, it wasnt to long before the preaching went south and the pastor was caught in sin.
There are good churches out there hard to find but around.
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Man, your self righteousness and emphatic disdain for 'westerners' is starting to get old. So much spite and bias against people because of their geography. But i guess when you go to the 'one' good church in the entire world, while everyone elses churches are evil pagan temples of worship you're allowed to be a bigot in the name of God. Is that your spiritual gift?
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i have no interest in how the jews worshipped in the dessert, that has nothing to do with worshipping god from our hearts now. in all honesty this sounds more like your own idea of how to worship than anything else not a matter of truth. i worship God in both spirit and truth and so do many others and i am saying this as kindly as possible- It is not your place to look down upon others worshipping god even if it goes against what you believe and no one has any right to call someones heart filled praise sinful or wrong and to do so is not only unfair but prideful and cruel
I am sorry that you understood that I have spite against people because of their geographic location. Whenever I refer to the westerners it is more their philosophy that I am against, not the people themselves, or their geographic location. I would have no problem with the Western Christianity if it would teach people about the living, merciful God, but they don't. They teach about a God that is offended by sin. I can't accept that.
The Eastern Orthodox Church is the one and only true church (body of Christ) and I couldn't confess otherwise not even if you pointed a gun at me. I have been called elitist, bigot, arrogant for having said the truth. My sin is not that of saying the truth, but that of not telling to people all the miracles that happen in the Church. I am sure God will hold me accountable for having spent almost one year on this forum and never have talked about bodies of the saints that do not putrefy, on the contrary, they release a perfumed smell, about the icons trough which God performs miracles, about the saints in which presence the wild animals are calm, about the saints that can fly and read minds etc.
I am the worse sinner on earth and I lacked love for not having told you about the living God that is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
The Eastern Orthodox Church is the one and only true church (body of Christ) and I couldn't confess otherwise not even if you pointed a gun at me. I have been called elitist, bigot, arrogant for having said the truth. My sin is not that of saying the truth, but that of not telling to people all the miracles that happen in the Church. I am sure God will hold me accountable for having spent almost one year on this forum and never have talked about bodies of the saints that do not putrefy, on the contrary, they release a perfumed smell, about the icons trough which God performs miracles, about the saints in which presence the wild animals are calm, about the saints that can fly and read minds etc.
I am the worse sinner on earth and I lacked love for not having told you about the living God that is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
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im sorry but you dont appear to understand how faith works. We are called to love and be love not have any spite against ppl for whatever reason. What claim is truth is your own beliefs that are not exactly loving. The one true church or body of christ are not any specific denomination but rather the believers with a deep love in their hearts for both god and all others. I say this as nicely as I can- you are arrogent and unwilling to change and you have much to learn as a christian. If you truly knew God truly loved him and really were a true Christian then the fruit you would show is love compassion understandin patience and so on but instead just from this thread alone you show no love at all. you say you speak out of love but show anything but.
I understand now why it was so hard to speak with you and now I only want to help you, please seek love more than anything else seek love. because God is love in fact the bible itself is a love letter to us and to be a christian you must be full of love. If you do not then you are not a christian and do not know god
I understand now why it was so hard to speak with you and now I only want to help you, please seek love more than anything else seek love. because God is love in fact the bible itself is a love letter to us and to be a christian you must be full of love. If you do not then you are not a christian and do not know god
What.....Why does God hate sin?
I get the wild animals part...I could cite Daniel for that but fly and read minds? Who in the bible besides Jesus knew anyones thoughts?
Such an odd statement. Was there no church before your beloved EOC that would you die for?
No item on the earth has ever been the vessel through which miracles are performed...Jesus made that clear in Mark5:30-34''He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering."
I get the wild animals part...I could cite Daniel for that but fly and read minds? Who in the bible besides Jesus knew anyones thoughts?
Such an odd statement. Was there no church before your beloved EOC that would you die for?
No item on the earth has ever been the vessel through which miracles are performed...Jesus made that clear in Mark5:30-34''He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering."
God is not offended by sin and did not need to pour His wrath on someone (Jesus Christ) like the western theology says. God wanted to save us from death and deliver us from sin, because sin affects us, sin hinders our union with God.
God works through His saints. It is not the person that does it, it is God.
The EOC is the apostolical church. The church (communion with God) exists, of course, before the fall. After the fall, man lost fellowship with God and invented religion. Once God incarnates, dies for us, defeats death and leaves us with the Holy Spirit (at the Pentecost), the relation between God and man (church) is restored.
Oh, my friend, you are very wrong. God did perform miracles through items, such as the bones of Elisha (through which He resurrected a dead man), the cloth of Jesus Christ that cured the woman who was suffering of bleeding, the staff of Moses etc.
God works through His saints. It is not the person that does it, it is God.
The EOC is the apostolical church. The church (communion with God) exists, of course, before the fall. After the fall, man lost fellowship with God and invented religion. Once God incarnates, dies for us, defeats death and leaves us with the Holy Spirit (at the Pentecost), the relation between God and man (church) is restored.
Oh, my friend, you are very wrong. God did perform miracles through items, such as the bones of Elisha (through which He resurrected a dead man), the cloth of Jesus Christ that cured the woman who was suffering of bleeding, the staff of Moses etc.
"Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man destroyeth the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, and such are ye."
Why does the amplifier have to be cranked up to the point that it damages ears & causes deafness? Are ye daft?
The loudness in scripture is not amplified electronically.
Now why is all the Eastern unorthodox propaganda inflicted on this thread? Someone seems to think that the universal Church is eastern; for crying outloud! Someone seems to think that a bunch of geezers in robes playing church, worshipping Mary, has something to do with the Body of Christ
Why does the amplifier have to be cranked up to the point that it damages ears & causes deafness? Are ye daft?
The loudness in scripture is not amplified electronically.
Now why is all the Eastern unorthodox propaganda inflicted on this thread? Someone seems to think that the universal Church is eastern; for crying outloud! Someone seems to think that a bunch of geezers in robes playing church, worshipping Mary, has something to do with the Body of Christ
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You see guys how you are?
I just said few posts above that there are bodies of saints that DO NOT PUTREFY! But you are not interested about these living miracles. All you know is God's wrath, satisfaction, eternal security, mariolatry, bla, bla, western dry teology that prefers the letter that kills to the living miracle!
Don't you understand that it is not mariolatry, but that she is the first human being that bore God in Herself like no other person will ever do it? That she has been sanctified by the living God? That her tomb have also been found empty (Christ has took her to Him).
I just said few posts above that there are bodies of saints that DO NOT PUTREFY! But you are not interested about these living miracles. All you know is God's wrath, satisfaction, eternal security, mariolatry, bla, bla, western dry teology that prefers the letter that kills to the living miracle!
Don't you understand that it is not mariolatry, but that she is the first human being that bore God in Herself like no other person will ever do it? That she has been sanctified by the living God? That her tomb have also been found empty (Christ has took her to Him).
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Why not just go to the circuit breaker box & cut off the electricity. Then while the ear-killers are going to the box to see what's wrong, you take some shears & cut all the power cords to all the noise makers, slice up all drum membranes, take a sledge hammer to the mixing board and amplifiers.
(Of course this won't work in a Pentecostal hall, as they will just lay hand on the equipment & say, "Be healed." -- that is, unless in response someone approaches the equipment just healed & cries out, "Be slain in the spirit!")
Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man destroyeth the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, and such are ye."
Why not just go to the circuit breaker box & cut off the electricity. Then while the ear-killers are going to the box to see what's wrong, you take some shears & cut all the power cords to all the noise makers, slice up all drum membranes, take a sledge hammer to the mixing board and amplifiers.
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I have to agree with everything except the part about music. People seem to think that "real gospel" is the first worship music. The original. It's not, not by a long shot. Christian music in the 1800s was INCREDIBLY different (and probably seemed heretical) from the Christian music of the 1500s, which was INCREDIBLY different (and probably seemed heretical) from the music of the 1200s.
Music has been evolving ever since we started playing/singing. Not to mention the various styles of WORLD music that has also existed and evolved. Which world style are you talking about being the right one? Merica's? Are we supposed to be singing Jewish gospel songs? Middle-Eastern styles with Sitars and long-winded sentences?
Music is music. Christianity didn't even start CLOSE to America or a Western-influenced music style such as the ones Christians are supposed to be "going back to because today's music is too heretical". Original worship music probably sounded almost identical to the styles of songs that Muslims often perform.
Music has been evolving ever since we started playing/singing. Not to mention the various styles of WORLD music that has also existed and evolved. Which world style are you talking about being the right one? Merica's? Are we supposed to be singing Jewish gospel songs? Middle-Eastern styles with Sitars and long-winded sentences?
Music is music. Christianity didn't even start CLOSE to America or a Western-influenced music style such as the ones Christians are supposed to be "going back to because today's music is too heretical". Original worship music probably sounded almost identical to the styles of songs that Muslims often perform.
If the engine whistles, let it whistle till it is hoarse for its pains. ~thoreau
if you are a professional singer and that concerned with your voice and vocal performance, then perhaps you shouldn't be in a position of worship leadership or part of any worship or performance. i would consider that almost a conflict with worship. worship is a time of focusing on God, in loving submission, and communion with God, not climbing halfway up the mountain so that you can mindfully reserve your offering.
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 corinthians 9:7
Honor the Lord with your wealthand with the firstfruits of all your produce proverbs 3:9
honestly, when i am worshiping, the very last thing on my mind is preserving my vocal cords--worship, in my opinion, shouldn't be organized, chosen, or designed to facilitate the health of the worship team's (or any worshippers) vocal cords.
kind of a moot point, in my book.
Praise the Lord! Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens! Praise him for his mighty deeds; praise him according to his excellent greatness! Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals!
psalm 150:1-6
if you are a professional singer and that concerned with your voice and vocal performance, then perhaps you shouldn't be in a position of worship leadership or part of any worship or performance. i would consider that almost a conflict with worship. worship is a time of focusing on God, in loving submission, and communion with God, not climbing halfway up the mountain so that you can mindfully reserve your offering.
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 corinthians 9:7
Honor the Lord with your wealthand with the firstfruits of all your produce proverbs 3:9
honestly, when i am worshiping, the very last thing on my mind is preserving my vocal cords--worship, in my opinion, shouldn't be organized, chosen, or designed to facilitate the health of the worship team's (or any worshippers) vocal cords.
kind of a moot point, in my book.
Praise the Lord! Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens! Praise him for his mighty deeds; praise him according to his excellent greatness! Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals!
psalm 150:1-6
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In my church, music is only vocal, not instrumental. Also, the way we relate to music is not that 'music is music'. Music, regardless of its lyrics, can be aggressive, lascivious, worldly. We do not have beat in the music, precisely to not make you nod your head, beat the rhythm with your finger or foot, dance etc.
Also, the music in church is the expression of the christian theology and not expression of subjective feelings that one may have about God.
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Also, the music in church is the expression of the christian theology and not expression of subjective feelings that one may have about God.
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