Is Kim Davis Christian??? Her Church Denies the Trinity

[jdove]

The link below is to the New York Times article on Kim Davis' family background and her church she attends called [FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Solid Rock Apostolic Church IN Morehead KY[/FONT]

[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif][/FONT][FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]The second link to Kim Davis' church's website- Click on the Doctrine tab on the left of the Home Page, there you will see "60 Godhead Questions - There they list 60 reasons denying the Trinity - this is what they teach that the Holy Spirit is NOT fully and completely God- VERY VERY grave teaching - is she really saved ???
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The doctrine of the Trinity is essential Christian doctrine we have to agree on who God is right?

[/FONT][FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]below the link is the standard definition on the Trinity for context [/FONT]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/u...xture-suddenly-becomes-a-national-symbol.html[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif] [/FONT]

Morehead - Solid Rock Apostolic Church


We believe the Bible teaches that there is but one being of God, yet there are three Persons who share this one being of God: the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. Each Person is fully and completely God, each is described in Scripture as possessing the attributes of God. The Father, Son, and Spirit have eternally existed in the relationship described by the term “Trinity.”

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Interesting. You're a brand new member, you've barely finished filling out your profile, and this is what you post?

No introduction. No "sit and watch to be sure I know what's going on." Finished joining five minutes ago, and here you are, making a thread that questions the faith of the only county clerk in the country with the chutpah to test Justice Kennedy's "defense" of faith- based opposition to gay marriage.

Wow.

 

[jdove]

You are right -that is the precise reason why I joined. I was so amazed that Christians (which I am) were calling her a hero of the faith, the modern day Daniel, a leader of the faith , a martyr. I wanted to know if there were people in my faith community who were not so quick to make her the symbol of the Christian faith. Now I agree with her stance. But I look at her in the right perspective - just like God used Cyrus the unbelieving king, God can use Kim Davis to advance his Kingdom even thou she may not know him "For the sake of Jacob My servant, And Israel My chosen one, I have also called you by your name; I have given you a title of honor Though you have not known Me. Isaiah 45:5

 

[Willie-T]

You might have considered asking what people here thought about her. Personally, your post is the first mention of her name that I have ever heard.

 

[Willie-T]

Oh, I went and looked her up. She's that clerk, right? Frankly, I still have never given her much of a thought.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

You are right -that is the precise reason why I joined.

You joined disingenuously, and as you posted so readily, I have to wonder if you're not a "sock puppet." Be that as it may ...

I was so amazed that Christians (which I am) were calling her a hero of the faith, the modern day Daniel, a leader of the faith , a martyr. I wanted to know if there were people in my faith community who were not so quick to make her the symbol of the Christian faith. Now I agree with her stance. But I look at her in the right perspective - just like God used Cyrus the unbelieving king,

That sounds nice, but you made one glaring error. Cyrus was not an unbeliever.

2 Chronicles 36, NASB
22 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia -in order to fulfill the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah -the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he sent a proclamation throughout his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying,
23 "Thus says Cyrus king of Persia, 'The LORD, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and He has appointed me to build Him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever there is among you of all His people, may the LORD his God be with him, and let him go up!' "​

Isaiah actually named Cyrus nearly 150 years before as the king who would rebuild Jerusalem. God no where else in the Bible names someone who is not His own.

There are many Christians who have false or misguided understandings of Christian doctrine. There are also many Christians who are members of churches who teach false or misguided understandings of Christian doctrine. It does not follow that because a Christian is a member of such a church that they are such a Christian. I have a friend who is Catholic, and believes in faith through grace alone. Why doesn't he leave the Catholic Church? His words: "If we who believe leave, who tells the others left there?"

You have no clue as to what Kim Davis believes, just as these other judgmental individuals don't have a clue as to why she is divorced three times. And none of you seems to understand forgiveness or your inability to know anything about someone you do not know. With that, I'm done here. Your judgment is unrighteous. You must repent.

 

[crossnote]

Davis' case has to do with trampling on a person's religious conscience. It's not about orthodox doctrine.

 

[jdove]

Just read below what her church says they teach her. Simply yes or no do you agree with this teaching?

 

[Willie-T]

Just read below what her church says they teach her. Simply yes or no do you agree with this teaching?
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What's your agenda? To judge this woman for her beliefs? Or to condemn her church. Or just to make noise?

I would imagine there are things you believe in that other Christians might call heretical.

 

[tourist]

This is a truly bizarre introductory post. Who is Kim Davis and why should I care?

 

[jdove]

This is my agenda:
that Jesus Christ be glorified not Kim Davis

And they told him, John the Baptist; and others say, Elijah; and others, one of the prophets.” And he asked them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter answered him,r“You are the Christ.”

without Christology, there is no Christianity. Jesus is at the center of the Christian faith. As a result, knowing about Christ is essential, as well as personal. Our relationship to Christ, for instance, is tied to our human condition, redemption, and salvation.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Just read below what her church says they teach her. Simply yes or no do you agree with this teaching?

Irrelevant. Whether I agree with it or not -- I don't, but that's still irrelevant -- you have no clue as to whether Kim Davis agrees with it or not. Perhaps she's there to influence the misguided. You don't know that isn't her agenda and your judgment of her, therefore, is unrighteous.

And speaking of agendas, answer Willie's question please: What's yours?

Your profile says you live in Illinois. Big state. In fact, the closest point to Illinois from Ashland is 375 miles away. So tell me, jlove ...

... why is this any of your business?

 

[jdove]

it is irrelevant that the church she attends teaches Jesus Christ is not God - WOW
she said this "It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision." she thinks she will go to hell if signed a marriage licence that sounds like a gospel of works not grace - this case went to the United States Supreme Court how is it not the whole country's business

 

[crossnote]

Davis is known for her stance as a county clerk refusing to sign 'gay marriage' marriage certificates.

http://christianchat.com/christian-...refusing-issue-gay-marriage-certificates.html


If you want to speak on the errors of the Apostolic Church, fine, but why drag Kim Davis into that discussion??

 

[jdove]

how did I get to be the bad guy on the site called Christian Chat when all I said Jesus Christ should be glorified not Kim Davis. Even thou I believe to deny Jesus as God is a grievous error. But we can pull back at have a macro view, and say God even uses unbelievers to advance his Kingdom. What she is doing is great I agree with her stance, she is 100% right. Can't we praise God for His work through her and not the vessel he uses ?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

it is irrelevant that the church she attends teaches Jesus Christ is not God - WOW
she said this "It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision." she thinks she will go to hell if signed a marriage licence that sounds like a gospel of works not grace - this case went to the United States Supreme Court how is it not the whole country's business

What part of "You don't know what she believers or why she attends that church" do you fail to grasp?

You're clueless as to who Kim Davis is, other than what you read in the media, and that is where you've taken your cues, because it was the godless New York Times that first called her out on her divorces. So you, a Christian, are using the same tactics as The New York Times?

ou come on here choosing the ironic name of "jlove," -- ironic since you're not showing any -- but if I had a choice of supporting you, or Kim Davis, I'd choose Davis, until she proved to me that either her agenda is false, or that her stance is hypocritical. Not that I'd care to support either or you, but she shows more Christian character than you do.

I already know that those words describe your agenda, and your stance.

 

[kaylagrl]

how did I get to be the bad guy on the site called Christian Chat when all I said Jesus Christ should be glorified not Kim Davis. Even thou I believe to deny Jesus as God is a grievous error. But we can pull back at have a macro view, and say God even uses unbelievers to advance his Kingdom. What she is doing is great I agree with her stance, she is 100% right. Can't we praise God for His work through her and not the vessel he uses ?

Davis cant stop people from making her a heroine.She's doing what she believes is right.I happen to live in the state and people here are supporting her through prayer,I dont see anyone making her a hero.This is about religious rights. At the Capitol over a thousand people showed up to show support for religious freedom.The Capitol is not a big place so there was a sea of people.Davis has gone to jail for her convictions. How many Christians are willing to do that?! No many.I hope I will have her courage when the day comes.The mayor of the town went to show his support. She's in jail and her religious convictions mean nothing.This is the kind of thing we always shake our heads at other countries and go "tisk,tisk" we have religious freedom in OUR county,how barbaric to put pastors in prison. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Meriam Ibrahim did the rounds on tv shows when she was released from prison for being a Christian and we all were praying she would be set free.Davis is jailed for here religious convictions and everyone says shes a bigot and deserves it. Whether her understanding of God is right or wrong,why dont you pray for her to see the truth? She's standing on her convictions to the point of going to jail.Which a lot of Christians would not do. She's not calling herself a heroine.And you what? It pretty pitiful that in a country supposedly founded by Christian/Judeo beliefs that this woman is considered a heroine for standing on her convictions. I think you need to pray for her rather than pick her apart.If she's not a Christian and you are,why dont you come on down to the state and offer to take her place? [/FONT]

 

[BarlyGurl]

Just to throw out a scenario for consideration.... <and because I am willing to take the flack for doing it>....

What IF.... Davis is NOT REALLY SAVED AND SEALED WITH THE HS???? To clarify, I am not judging her soul, I am presenting a scenario for consideration. So, if Davis were not a saved person, but an unbeliever spouting off about how her "religion" does not allow for her conscience to condone homosexual-marriage bur her JOB requires her witness documents registering marriage.
I am putting it this way because I think too many are just "Christian sympathizers" and not fully recognizing that her conscience is NOT about obeying God's Laws over man's but rather she believes she given her PERSONAL APPROVAL and CONDONED every single document, transaction, license, register, recording she has affixed her signature to as the CLERK... and that is NOT a true analysis of her job at all. I am going to say AGAIN.... she is wrong to be refusing to do her JOB, and she is MIS-USING the constitution, She is right to have the conviction but WRONG to be using her JOB POSITION as a PLATFORM to enforce her personal convictions.... she is an ELECTED GOVERNMENT SERVANT.... not a private contractor or independent business owner.

 

[Mitspa]

You are right -that is the precise reason why I joined. I was so amazed that Christians (which I am) were calling her a hero of the faith, the modern day Daniel, a leader of the faith , a martyr. I wanted to know if there were people in my faith community who were not so quick to make her the symbol of the Christian faith. Now I agree with her stance. But I look at her in the right perspective - just like God used Cyrus the unbelieving king, God can use Kim Davis to advance his Kingdom even thou she may not know him "For the sake of Jacob My servant, And Israel My chosen one, I have also called you by your name; I have given you a title of honor Though you have not known Me. Isaiah 45:5

I had not really heard her called a hero...but I will start using the term now

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

What IF.... Davis is NOT REALLY SAVED AND SEALED WITH THE HS????

That's for Jesus to determine, not for self-righteous, judgmental Christians to eve speculate on.

To clarify, I am not judging her soul ...

"What if Davis is not really saved and sealed with the HS" isn't judging her soul? Then what is it? It isn't "discussion," because it requires a premise for a conclusion that we, as Christians, have no right to make! And again, it is not your purview, and you make huge presumption on Christ in even suggesting it, because you do not know her heart, or anyone's other than your own -- and even that's a "maybe."

I am presenting a scenario for consideration.

Since you can't know anything about her eternal destination, it isn't for you to consider, and (again), you make huge presumption on Christ. That makes your wordiness in trying to defend your obvious self-righteous judgment -- read "unrighteous judgment" -- is a waste of webpage space and a meaningless irritation of billions of electrons.