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kaylagrl

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Once I counted all the women I know who had an abortion, and it was a lot. Each said they had no other choice.
Most women who have abortions at the time feel that they have no other choice. In reality it's not the lack of choice but that abortion is less disagreeable to them than the other options.
 
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I read some where that women that have abortions have higher cancer rates.....anyone know if that is true??
 
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Some Jews died?! Now you're sounding like the Muslim congress-woman Ilian O mar, " some people did something on 9/11." It's not "favoritism" to say 6 million Jews lost their lives in the Holocaust,that is called empathy. That doesn't detract from the fact that other innocent people died, but 6 million is an attempt at genocide. And that was Hitler's intent.
But it's good for one to have evidence to back one's claims. And to claim that 6 million Jews lost their lives in the Holocaust is very difficult to prove.

And that is a flat out lie. There were no Germans that were part of any holocaust. The German people followed Hitler to their own destruction. Where you get that they were good Christian folk is beyond me. They followed Hitler straight into hell. As we agreed above there were people that saved Jews, or tried to, and some that tried to come against Hitler. But for the most part they were as anti-Jew as their leader. Too say the German people were innocent Christian folk is an anti-Semitic lie and has no place in a Christian forum.
Now who is being a holocaust denier? Simply google "Dresden holocaust", and you will find out all you need to know about this terrible holocaust committed by the Allies. To try to claim the innocent German people murdered in this holocaust were any less innocent than the Jews killed in the holocaust you believe in has no place in a Christian forum, to my thinking.


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No, you are denying facts. Eye witnesses, photographs, records show that Jews were gassed, you deny those facts. You deny 6 million Jews were brutally murdered in the Holocaust, you act like they all went to the fair, saying they were treated "pretty good". I know about Dresden and people say the same of Hiroshima.
I'm neither confirming nor denying that 6 million Jews were brutally murdered in any particular holocaust. It's even possible - quite likely, actually - that some Jews were killed in the Dresden Holocaust. Although, since you deny the Dresden Holocaust, I think it to be unlikely that you know of this Holocaust.

There is a saying "war is hell", you stop the enemy by any means necessary.
Would that "any means necessary" involve gassing Jews? Because it sounds very much like something Hitler might say, if he wasn't in Hell already.

Allies were the good guys, the liberated the Jews that Hitler didn't manage to murder. The Allies were the good guys, they left families, loved ones many to die and others to be maimed and scarred for life mentally and physically, how dare you say such a thing!!
I don't believe that anyone who says "you stop the enemy by any means necessary" is a good guy. That sounds like something Hitler would have said, before he went to Hell. It sounds like something the Allied commanders and soldiers might have said, before they committed the Dresden Holocaust. Very sad.

What are you talking about?! How could Jews oppose the Holocaust? You mean German Jews or who? Jews in America tried to bring light to Hitler's anti-Jew programs. But people around the world didn't know the Holocaust was happening until late in the war. I have no idea what you're talking about. And the Germans that willingly followed Hitler against the Jews are culpable, before God they are. Whether they called themselves Christians or not.
Typically, the Germans who followed Hitler are described as Nazis. Most Germans were not Nazis, just as most Jews were not Nazis. And most Germans were powerless to stop Hitler, just as most Jews were powerless to stop him. To blame the Germans in Germany for not stopping Hitler, but not blaming the Jews in Germany, appears to be showing favouritism.

You're being obtuse. I don't have to explain what a Messianic Jew is.
A Jew (Christian) who believes in the Messiah (Jesus) can be described as a Messianic Jew, no?

Random Scripture verses that have nothing to do with the point aren't helpful. Please stick to the subject.
You said we can't boast. I pointed you to the scripture that said "far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ". Just a verse to refute your statement, but not random.

I'm not related to any Jews that I know of. The part you stated in blue is a lie. You are anti-Jew.
How can a Jew be anti-Jew? You seem to like sweeping generalisations, but don't provide substance to back them up.

Do you believe Alexander the Great lived or Genghis Khan? Do you believe the Bubonic Plague happened or the Great Fire of London?
Yes and yes.

All have less attestation than the Jewish Holocaust.
Attestation doesn't make something true. No attestation doesn't make something false. Remember, when Jesus was condemned by false witnesses, and the testimonies of false witnesses did not agree. When the testomonies of witnesses do not agree, this raises important questions.

When someone tells me they need evidence for the Holocaust I know they are a denier, and anti-Jew, which is racism and against God's Word. You need to repent.
So far, you are the only one who has denied a holocaust. So by your own judgement, this would imply you need to repent, no? I haven't denied any holocausts - I simply indicated I judge each holocaust on its own merits. And yes, I do require evidence for all holocausts - even ones alleged to be Jewish.

Dresden wasn't a holocaust, not even close. Nothing more than propaganda.
There you go again. Are you following your own advice and repenting? If not, why not?

Yes, people died, that's what happens when you follow a leader like Hitler trying to take over the world and use the Final Solution to rid the world of Jews.
So people died in a firebombing, but it wasn't a holocaust? What part of the word "holocaust" don't you understand? Why do you believe the civilians killed in the Dresden firebombing were following Hitler and trying to take over the world and using the Final Solution to rid the world of Jews? Why don't you believe the civilians killed in the Jewish Holocaust were likewise following Hitler and trying to take over the world and using the Final Solution to rid the world of Jews?

Trying to compare Dresden to the Jews in the Holocaust is a false moral equivalency, only Jew haters would try to make the claim.
Can you elaborate on this? You seem to make a number of moral judgements, but don't back any with fact. Why is the Dresden holocaust not equal to the Jewish one that you seem to focus on? Are you a German hater, or a Christian hater, in that you say that the Dresden holocaust cannot be compared with the Jewish one?
 
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Thoughts don't matter, facts do. There was ONE Holocaust in WW2, that of the Jews and they were NOT the minority killed. In the Nuremburg Trails a literal ton of evidence, photographic and records, were presented. That is a fact, case closed.


Quotes for Mein Kampf ...

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord


... For once this book has become the common property of a people, the Jewish menace may be considered as broken


Here he stops at nothing, and in his vileness he becomes so gigantic that no one need be surprised if among our people the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.


With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people.


For a racially pure people which is conscious of its blood can never be enslaved by the Jew. In this world he will forever be master over b-word and b- word alone.


Culturally, he contaminates art, literature, the theater, makes a mockery of natural feeling, overthrows all concepts of beauty and sublimity, of the noble and the good, and instead drags men down into the sphere of his own base nature.


The end is not only the end of the freedom of the peoples oppressed by the Jew, but also the end of this parasite upon the nations. After the death of his victim, the vampire sooner or later dies too



Hitler in his own words about how he felt about the Jews, and this before the Nazis were ever set in motion. His hatred and propaganda are well evident. He believed the Jews were "real" Jews and set about to rid the world of them.
Your post indicates Hitler clearly didn't seem to like Jews (although, he likely was one himself). However, there is nothing in the text about killing Jews. One so opposed to Jews, if one considered killing an option, would clearly have included something in his text about killing Jews, no?
 

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Your post indicates Hitler clearly didn't seem to like Jews (although, he likely was one himself). However, there is nothing in the text about killing Jews. One so opposed to Jews, if one considered killing an option, would clearly have included something in his text about killing Jews, no?

Go to YouTube and listen to his words. If you are saying Hitler isn't culpable my answer to you is you need to give your heart to the Lord. Once you do that we'll talk.
 

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But it's good for one to have evidence to back one's claims. And to claim that 6 million Jews lost their lives in the Holocaust is very difficult to prove.

Now who is being a holocaust denier? Simply google "Dresden holocaust", and you will find out all you need to know about this terrible holocaust committed by the Allies. To try to claim the innocent German people murdered in this holocaust were any less innocent than the Jews killed in the holocaust you believe in has no place in a Christian forum, to my thinking.

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But it's good for one to have evidence to back one's claims. And to claim that 6 million Jews lost their lives in the Holocaust is very difficult to prove.
No,it's not difficult to prove. It has been proven.



Now who is being a holocaust denier? Simply google "Dresden holocaust"


Still you. I'm well aware of the propaganda Holocaust deniers use. I'm not having any of it.



To try to claim the innocent German people murdered in this holocaust were any less innocent than the Jews killed in the holocaust you believe in has no place in a Christian forum, to my thinking.


Baloney. People were killed in Hiroshima because of war. The same with Germans. They would not surrender, Dresden was bombed for a reason. They continued to be a part of the effort in making munitions and helping Hitler in the war effort. No comparison to the Jews who had their businesses destroyed by fire, all their belonging taken, even their TEETH!! Herded like cattle into trains, many shot on site, others starved, beaten, gassed ,others tortured and injected with diseases!! There are still people alive today that suffered though that!! Your POV is vile, and you need to repent and give your heart to the Lord. Sick that anyone would deny the Holocaust.
 

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I'm neither confirming nor denying that 6 million Jews were brutally murdered in any particular holocaust.
You are a Holocaust denier, at least have the guts to own it.


would that "any means necessary" involve gassing Jews? Because it sounds very much like something Hitler might say, if he wasn't in Hell already.

Except Hitler was herding innocent people into concentration camps and had them murdered and thus the "any means necessary". 6 million of them

I don't believe that anyone who says "you stop the enemy by any means necessary" is a good guy.
Really? How do you feel about God saying go in and kill them all in the OT? Wipe them out, show no mercy. How do you feel about that? Is God a "bad guy"? If Hitler hadn't been stopped there wouldn't be a Jew alive today.


Typically, the Germans who followed Hitler are described as Nazis. Most Germans were not Nazis, just as most Jews were not Nazis. And most Germans were powerless to stop Hitler, just as most Jews were powerless to stop him. To blame the Germans in Germany for not stopping Hitler, but not blaming the Jews in Germany, appears to be showing favouritism


We already discussed Germans that were innocent. The rest of your comment lacks any common sense.


A Jew (Christian) who believes in the Messiah (Jesus) can be described as a Messianic Jew, no?


No!!



Ask George Soros.Now you're claiming to be a Jew?!


Attestation doesn't make something true. No attestation doesn't make something false.


But eyewitness testimony, photographic evidence,and meticulous records do make it true. Deniers don't make facts false.


even ones alleged to be Jewish


It's not alleged it's fact. Don't believe it, go take to a Jew with a number on their arm. Or don't you believe a Jew?


Are you a German hater, or a Christian hater, in that you say that the Dresden holocaust cannot be compared with the Jewish one?
Because you are using Nazi propaganda and you know it. You know you're trying to play semantics and wrap it in your "Christian" faith. Dresden was not a Holocaust. If so every person that dies in any war anywhere is a holocaust. People die in war, people were killed all over Europe caught in the war, are all those holocausts? Hitler bombed hell out of England, was that a holocaust? Don't call yourself a Christian and deny 6 million Jews and those deemed unfit were murdered in cold blood by Hitler and the Nazis. And you ARE denying it, you just don't want to own it. smh
 

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Your post indicates Hitler clearly didn't seem to like Jews (although, he likely was one himself). However, there is nothing in the text about killing Jews. One so opposed to Jews, if one considered killing an option, would clearly have included something in his text about killing Jews, no?

You do realize that Hitler and the Nazis believed in eugenics, and that Margret Sanger, Planned Parenthood founder, also practiced eugenics. They both wanted a "pure" Jew free, black free, race. You got that right? And you realize their dream is still being carried out today. A black baby is 5 times more likely to be aborted. Look for any PP and you will find them smack in the middle of the poorest section of town, where the "human weeds" live. Congrats your support of Hitler and the Nazis has seen 60 million abortions in the US, 1.72 billion worldwide all in the name of eugenics and a "pure race".
 

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My city is the capital city of my state, and PP boycotters are ALWAYS all around with their signs against abortion..
 
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/unplanned-film-banned-in-canada-for-its-life-affirming-content

I am Canadian, and this makes me furious.

Once I counted all the women I know who had an abortion, and it was a lot. Each said they had no other choice.

I'm Canadian also and it appears that Canada has always been on the cutting edge of backwards 'progress' and ahead of the US

gay marriage etc all becoming 'lawful' long before the US

Canada is becoming more and more the country of restrictions. we should all think and believe the same

free country is becoming a misnomer it would seem to me

what about showing it in churches? is that allowed or would you know?
 
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My city is the capital city of my state, and PP boycotters are ALWAYS all around with their signs against abortion..
while saving homeless dogs..and I say that as dog lover

spending thousands and thousands of dollars on vet bills (like rescues do) while having no problem with killing even a baby that is already born and alive
 

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I lived in VT. I have lived in 4 different states in my life, and have spent time in 24 others. Politically speaking, VT was the most liberal and spiritually oppressive states I have ever experienced. These next statements are generalizations, yet I have never seen so many passive aggressive militant feminists as in VT. Not to also mention tee huggers all.
They care more about the environment (and their pets) then they do about unborn babies.
The place is a Liberal Mess.
 
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Go to YouTube and listen to his words. If you are saying Hitler isn't culpable my answer to you is you need to give your heart to the Lord. Once you do that we'll talk.
You surely agree that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone? Adding any requirement to this, including the belief that Hitler was a bad man, is a diabolical doctrine.

You are a Holocaust denier, at least have the guts to own it.
In our conversation, you are the only one to have denied a holocaust. I assess each alleged holocaust on its own merits.

Except Hitler was herding innocent people into concentration camps and had them murdered and thus the "any means necessary". 6 million of them
As stated, *very* difficult to prove. Much of the evidence seems to have been disposed, if there was any.

Really? How do you feel about God saying go in and kill them all in the OT? Wipe them out, show no mercy. How do you feel about that? Is God a "bad guy"? If Hitler hadn't been stopped there wouldn't be a Jew alive today.
I don't have a problem with stopping Hitler. I do have a problem with holocausting innocent German people. Its as evil as holocausting innocent Jewish adherents. Both acts are against the Geneva convention, both are acts of mass murder, and both acts will be judged with justice by God.

We already discussed Germans that were innocent. The rest of your comment lacks any common sense.
I'm glad you have come to agree that the Germans were innocent.

Yes. :)

Ask George Soros.Now you're claiming to be a Jew?!
Are you questioning my Jewish heritage?

But eyewitness testimony, photographic evidence,and meticulous records do make it true. Deniers don't make facts false.
All that is gold does not glitter.

It's not alleged it's fact. Don't believe it, go take to a Jew with a number on their arm. Or don't you believe a Jew?
The fact that Jews were branded does not prove there was a final solution aimed at their extermination. The fact that Jews were starved when the Allies bombed the food supplies does not prove that the Nazis gassed them. The fact that Jews were ill-treated does not mean they were treated any better or any worse than people the world over. As stated previously, from a worldly perspective, I'd sooner have been a Jew in Nazi-occupied Germany, than a Christian in Communist-occupied Russia. Today and in decades past, many Christians are treated as poorly or even worse than, most Jews were treated during World War II.

Because you are using Nazi propaganda and you know it. You know you're trying to play semantics and wrap it in your "Christian" faith.
I'm not using Nazi propaganda. I don't believe in Nazism, and I'm certainly not trying to wrap it in Christian faith. But facts are facts, and one shouldn't judge with dishonest scales.

Dresden was not a Holocaust.
How can you accuse me of being a holocaust denier, when you are denying the Dresden Holocaust? Tens of thousands of innocent civilians were holocausted, and you say it was not a holocaust? Are you even reading what you are typing?

If so every person that dies in any war anywhere is a holocaust. People die in war, people were killed all over Europe caught in the war, are all those holocausts? Hitler bombed hell out of England, was that a holocaust?
No. Not all people killed in wars are the result of holocausts. But Dresden was certainly a holocaust. And if the Nazis did indeed burn 6 million Jews, I believe this would likewise qualify for the categorisation of a holocaust. It's just much more difficult to prove this claim.

Don't call yourself a Christian and deny 6 million Jews and those deemed unfit were murdered in cold blood by Hitler and the Nazis. And you ARE denying it, you just don't want to own it. smh
Since when has being a Christian had anything to do with believing in particular holocausts? It's about saving faith in Jesus, and His sacrifice for sins alone.

You do realize that Hitler and the Nazis believed in eugenics, and that Margret Sanger, Planned Parenthood founder, also practiced eugenics. They both wanted a "pure" Jew free, black free, race. You got that right? And you realize their dream is still being carried out today. A black baby is 5 times more likely to be aborted. Look for any PP and you will find them smack in the middle of the poorest section of town, where the "human weeds" live. Congrats your support of Hitler and the Nazis has seen 60 million abortions in the US, 1.72 billion worldwide all in the name of eugenics and a "pure race".
I'm not sure why you're associating me with the Nazis? Should I associate you with the Communists, who are guilty of far more innocent blood than the Nazis? Ad hominem is usually the defence of one who has no substance to his argument. And for your information, the Democrats, who typically support abortion, have more in common with the Communists than the Nazis.
 
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I read some where that women that have abortions have higher cancer rates.....anyone know if that is true??
The research has indicated that pregnancy, the number of pregnancies, breast feeding, help to protect against certain types of cancers.

The more recent rigorous studies on both miscarriages and abortions found no causal relationship to cancer.
 
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The research has indicated that pregnancy, the number of pregnancies, breast feeding, help to protect against certain types of cancers.

The more recent rigorous studies on both miscarriages and abortions found no causal relationship to cancer.
Do you believe that, though? I find it highly likely that pregnancy, number of pregnancies, breast feeding etc. do protect against certain cancers, because that is what the female body is designed for. To murder via abortion, have sexual relationships with multiple partners etc. is not what the female is designed for, and that's why this behaviour causes all manner of diseases (and I still believe cancer also).
 
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Do you believe that, though? I find it highly likely that pregnancy, number of pregnancies, breast feeding etc. do protect against certain cancers, because that is what the female body is designed for. To murder via abortion, have sexual relationships with multiple partners etc. is not what the female is designed for, and that's why this behaviour causes all manner of diseases (and I still believe cancer also).
In research one likes to isolate a variable to find causal relationship or correlation, it is only more recently that more unbiased research has been conducted with regards to abortion (one variable) and cancer.

Having said this there is research that indicates the emotional/psychological effects of abortion and then there is research this definitely connects this to cancer.
 

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You surely agree that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone? Adding any requirement to this, including the belief that Hitler was a bad man, is a diabolical doctrine

Hitler being a bad person isn't the point.,it has to do with the fact that he sent 6 million innocent Jews to their deaths and others he deemed unfit. Last time I checked the Bible said murder was wrong. And any Christian would agree with that, especially the sick way they were murdered. But you say they were treated pretty good. Now either you have a mental issue and need help or you agree with the murder that happened in the Holocaust.I'm hoping it's the former.

In our conversation, you are the only one to have denied a holocaust. I assess each alleged holocaust on its own merits.

That's a lie, on both counts.


As stated, *very* difficult to prove. Much of the evidence seems to have been disposed, if there was any.

Flat out bull. Go talk to a person that survived the Holocaust. We have a man that works at my local Wal-mart with a number on his arm. Go ask them if it's the truth, ask them if they were treated "pretty good". All kinds of evidence. And you'd know that if you looked at any website that aren't anti-Semitic.


I don't have a problem with stopping Hitler. I do have a problem with holocausting innocent German people.
Its as evil as holocausting innocent Jewish adherents. Both acts are against the Geneva convention, both are acts of mass murder, and both acts
will be judged with justice by God.

Well at least I can agree with that comment. The rest is propaganda.


I'm glad you have come to agree that the Germans were innocent.

I didn't agree, I said there were some.


Yes. :)

Are you questioning my Jewish heritage?

You didn't mention it till the middle of the conversation. So yes, I doubt it. But would make no difference if you were.

All that is gold does not glitter.

Facts are stubborn things...


The fact that Jews were branded does not prove there was a final solution aimed at their extermination.

Except Hitler did try and there is plenty of proof, a Jew would know that and at least acknowledge it,even a liberal Jew.

The fact that Jews were starved when the Allies bombed the food supplies does not prove that the Nazis gassed them.

Jews didn't stave because of the Allies. And the Nazis did gas them. There is eyewitness proof, there is photographic proof and bodies stacked a mile high.


The fact that Jews were ill-treated does not mean they were treated any better or any worse than people the world over.

Ill treated?! Tortured, starved,raped, murdered. Treated as less than animals. A Jew would know that.


As stated previously, from a worldly perspective, I'd sooner have been a Jew in Nazi-occupied Germany, than a Christian in Communist-occupied Russia.

I really don't think you're as dull as you are pretending to be. The statement above is stunning in it's stupidity.


Today and in decades past, many Christians are treated as poorly or even worse than, most Jews were treated during World War II.

100% untrue, just simply no facts whatsoever. Just utter foolishness.


I'm not using Nazi propaganda. I don't believe in Nazism, and I'm certainly not trying to wrap it in Christian faith. But facts are facts, and one shouldn't judge with dishonest scales.

Well when you admit the facts we'll discuss it. So far you're throwing out propagand



How can you accuse me of being a holocaust denier, when you are denying the Dresden Holocaust? Tens of thousands of innocent civilians were holocausted, and you say it was not a holocaust? Are you even reading what you are typing?

Propaganda. They were making munitions for the war effort there, they weren't innocent and they sure as blazes weren't holocausted. You're not entitled to your own facts.


No. Not all people killed in wars are the result of holocausts. But Dresden was certainly a holocaust.

It wasn't, history doesn't call it a holocaust. The Jews were an attempt at genocide.

And if the Nazis did indeed burn 6 million Jews,

Never said 6 million were gassed, I said some were gassed, all were murdered.


I believe this would likewise qualify for the categorisation of a holocaust. It's just much more difficult to prove this claim.

It's a fact of history. In the history books. Accepted history, unless you are anti-Semitic, a Holocaust denier.



Since when has being a Christian had anything to do with believing in particular holocausts? It's about saving faith in Jesus, and His sacrifice for sins alone.

Has nothing to do with believing in the Holocaust, it's believing that what HAPPENED in the Holocaust was murder, which is wrong. Mass murder of innocent woman and children, absolutely vile. You can't claim Christ and say Jews were treated pretty good in the Holocaust. It goes against everything the Word says.


I'm not sure why you're associating me with the Nazis? Should I associate you with the Communists, who are guilty of far more innocent blood than the Nazis?

You are empathic to them. I said both were murderers, and in hell.


Ad hominem is usually the defence of one who has no substance to his argument. And for your information, the Democrats, who typically support abortion, have more in common with the Communists than the Nazis.

On the issue of abortion, they side with Nazis who used eugenics against the Jews and others they saw as unfit. Dems support Sanger and the Nazis ideals to this day in Planned Parenthood.