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Well, yeah, I can't disagree with you regarding lies being perpetuated by people and/or governments and money being a device to do this. So on the fundamental principle we agree. Yet I do believe that all the examples I mentioned are truisms.
And I'd probably agree that many of the reasons you believe the examples mentioned are truisms, are actually true of themselves. :)

One other thing. If I told you that God Himself revealed go me that the Jews were killed and treated horribly during WW ii by Nazi Germany, would you tell me I heard incorrectly from God?
I doubt it. Not so much because you would say you heard from God, but because I do believe many people were killed and treated horribly by Nazi Germany in WWII, and most likely many of these were Jews. My point is that in the scheme of things, there are many more and far worse monsters about than the Nazis were, but no one mentions those, because it's us committing the crimes, or they're "terrorists" so they deserved it, or they're Muslims, or like Kaylagrl posted below - "fetuses".

Nazis get a bad rap, but the thing is, we're living among people as bad as, or worse than, the Nazis. Sometimes, we are the Nazis. But it's easier to pick on Nazis because they're extinct, and can't defend themselves, unlike Communists, or abortionists, or war criminals etc., who are quite powerful, and can sue you, or get you sent to gaol, or declare you a "terrorist" so you lose all rights.
 

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So your main point is why are people focusing on Nazi evils when there are countless others in history, and currently.
Are you saying on this site, or this thread, or in general society here in the USA?
I personally dont think people these days focus on the holocaust. I scarcely see it in the news.
I see the deplorable attacks by the violent Muslims in the news quite often by comparison. Or the metoo movement in the news regarding the atrocities hoisted the woman who speak out on them.
It's not for me to quantify the intensity or mass of evil. In fact I dont think any of us can. I'll leave that to God.
The Catholics get into the levels of sin.
"White lirs", and that type of thing.
Any aggression motivated by self interest, anything that is outside of behavior and even thoughts that God would approve is sin.
Because of our sin nature and our indoctrination to evil and the times and culture we live in, none of us can fully grasp and appreciate how truly evil and sinful we are.
I mentioned in another post our brains being the size of a peanut and Gods brain the size of the sun to compare our intelligence.
The gap between his Holiness and our wickedness is probably even wider then that.
Is the person who kills millions more wicked then the person who rapes and tortures five children?
 
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So your main point is why are people focusing on Nazi evils when there are countless others in history, and currently.
Especially currently. People always try to demonise Hitler, when they have the likes of Hillary Clinton and many other similar nameless trolls in our own country, and whom they support!!!

Are you saying on this site, or this thread, or in general society here in the USA?
Well, all of the above, really. Nazism is extinct. Communism is a greater evil which is still suffocating the world, but people ignore it, or call it something else. I don't believe the Nazis were really opposed to Christians - Christians were just an obstacle for them to overcome. Communism, on the other hand, are sworn enemies of Christians.

I personally dont think people these days focus on the holocaust. I scarcely see it in the news.
It's illegal to talk about it in many places, and those that did went to gaol, so this is probably the reason for the silence. I didn't bring it up - only continued the discussion when questioned on it.

I see the deplorable attacks by the violent Muslims in the news quite often by comparison. Or the metoo movement in the news regarding the atrocities hoisted the woman who speak out on them.
I prefer not to watch the news. More often than not, you're being lied to. I'm sure there are violent Muslims and Metoo women, but not the ones you see on TV, and not the ways that they tell you.

It's not for me to quantify the intensity or mass of evil. In fact I dont think any of us can.
I think there's a difference between ignorant evil and wilful evil, between mistakes and scheming harm.

I'll leave that to God.
Very wise.

The Catholics get into the levels of sin.
"White lirs", and that type of thing.
Interesting.

Any aggression motivated by self interest, anything that is outside of behavior and even thoughts that God would approve is sin. Because of our sin nature and our indoctrination to evil and the times and culture we live in, none of us can fully grasp and appreciate how truly evil and sinful we are.
True.

I mentioned in another post our brains being the size of a peanut and Gods brain the size of the sun to compare our intelligence.
I think the Earth is larger than the sun. But I agree with the sentiment that God is omniscient, and we are far from.

The gap between his Holiness and our wickedness is probably even wider then that.
Agreed.

Is the person who kills millions more wicked then the person who rapes and tortures five children?
Hmmmm. Hard call. Murder is pretty wicked, and multiplied by millions. But child torture - possibly more wicked, but only multiplied by 5... Like you say, best leave that to God. But in a simpler case, say, murder of 1 million, vs. murder of 5, I would say justice requires a harsher punishment for the murder of 1 million.
 

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Especially currently. People always try to demonise Hitler, when they have the likes of Hillary Clinton and many other similar nameless trolls in our own country, and whom they support!!!

As brother Dino said, no one tries to demonize Hitler. He had the blood of millions on his hands. Evil incarnate and split hell wide open. I'm no fan of Hillary, but as far as I know she hasn't been proven a murderer of one person let alone millions.

Well, all of the above, really. Nazism is extinct.

Actually no, it isn't.


Communism is a greater evil which is still suffocating the world, but people ignore it, or call it something else.

There are still Nazis today. And both need to be called out. Younger generations know nothing about these vile ideologies. Their parents have failed and left it to liberal teachers to tell them.


I don't believe the Nazis were really opposed to Christians - Christians were just an obstacle for them to overcome. Communism, on the other hand, are sworn enemies of Christians.

Well that's the sick part of it. Because of the false doctrine of replacement theology of people like Martin Luther,German Christians believed they were doing right in getting rid of the Jews by murdering them. They considered them "Christ killers" and felt justified in their racism.


It's illegal to talk about it in many places, and those that did went to gaol, so this is probably the reason for the silence. I didn't bring it up - only continued the discussion when questioned on it.

I prefer not to watch the news. More often than not, you're being lied to. I'm sure there are violent Muslims and Metoo women, but not the ones you see on TV, and not the ways that they tell you.

I think there's a difference between ignorant evil and wilful evil, between mistakes and scheming harm.

Hitler was willfully evil


Very wise.

Interesting.

True.

I think the Earth is larger than the sun. But I agree with the sentiment that God is omniscient, and we are far from.

Agreed.

Hmmmm. Hard call. Murder is pretty wicked, and multiplied by millions. But child torture - possibly more wicked, but only multiplied by 5... Like you say, best leave that to God. But in a simpler case, say, murder of 1 million, vs. murder of 5, I would say justice requires a harsher punishment for the murder of 1 million.
 

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Here. I just googled this, and thought it might be useful to you.

verb: demonise
  1. portray as wicked and threatening.


He was wicked, that's a fact. To try and demonize a person indicates they are innocent and being unfairly treated



Demonize is defined as to make someone come across as a demon or to portray someone as bad or evil.


Hitler was evil and in no way innocent. You don't have to demonize someone who is, in fact, a demon.
 
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He had the blood of millions on his hands. Evil incarnate and split hell wide open. I'm no fan of Hillary, but as far as I know she hasn't been proven a murderer of one person let alone millions.
Here's the hypocrisy. Technically speaking, neither did Hitler. We both know (or believe) Hitler and Hillary are guilty as sin, but neither went to a court of justice and was found guilty. Hence, my resistance to demonising Hitler, and defending or ignoring the likes of Hillary.

Actually no, it isn't.
Actually, it is. Nazism was wiped out in 1945. Do we have a National Socialist party in the US? Last I checked, there were Republicans and Democrats.

There are still Nazis today. And both need to be called out. Younger generations know nothing about these vile ideologies. Their parents have failed and left it to liberal teachers to tell them.
I doubt it. Liberal teachers are too busy teaching children to be Communists, than teaching them about Nazis.

Well that's the sick part of it. Because of the false doctrine of replacement theology of people like Martin Luther,German Christians believed they were doing right in getting rid of the Jews by murdering them. They considered them "Christ killers" and felt justified in their racism.
I don't believe any German Christian murdered any Jew. I guess you could call no-true-Scotsman logical fallacy, but I believe genuine Christians know not to murder. As for Martin Luther, I think he did a lot of good by his opposition to the Catholic Church. I'm not sure on the doctrine of replacement theology, but I do know that there is now neither Jew nor Gentile, all are one in Christ Jesus.

Hitler was willfully evil
Agreed. But so was Hillary Clinton. And Bill. And the Bushes.
 
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He was wicked, that's a fact. To try and demonize a person indicates they are innocent and being unfairly treated
Have a look at the definition again. It doesn't suggest anything about innocence or being unfairly treated.


Demonize is defined as to make someone come across as a demon or to portray someone as bad or evil.

Hitler was evil and in no way innocent. You don't have to demonize someone who is, in fact, a demon.
Hitler was not a demon. At least, not to my knowledge. Do you have any evidence to support this hypothesis?
 

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Have a look at the definition again. It doesn't suggest anything about innocence or being unfairly treated.



Hitler was not a demon. At least, not to my knowledge. Do you have any evidence to support this hypothesis?


Figuratively speaking, he was. I do not mean he was a flesh and blood demon,because I do believe they exist. What he did was demonic and demon inspired. No doubt about that.
 
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Have a look at the definition again. It doesn't suggest anything about innocence or being unfairly treated.



Hitler was not a demon. At least, not to my knowledge. Do you have any evidence to support this hypothesis?

I don't think you know much about Hitler and of course you are not a demon if you are physically present

what is your view with regards to the occult?
 

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Here's the hypocrisy. Technically speaking, neither did Hitler. We both know (or believe) Hitler and Hillary are guilty as sin, but neither went to a court of justice and was found guilty. Hence, my resistance to demonising Hitler, and defending or ignoring the likes of Hillary.

I didn't defend Hillary. Hitler wasn't brought to justice because he killed himself. Had he lived, he'd have been brought to justice and would have executed. Hence his reason for suicide. Too much of a coward to stand on his convictions.



Actually, it is. Nazism was wiped out in 1945. Do we have a National Socialist party in the US? Last I checked, there were Republicans and Democrats.

American Nazi Party, just because they don't have enough influence to run a major campaign doesn't mean they don't exist.

I doubt it. Liberal teachers are too busy teaching children to be Communists, than teaching them about Nazis.

Therein lies the problem. It's a dangerous evil most young people know nothing about.


I don't believe any German Christian murdered any Jew.

Beliefs don't matter, facts do.


I guess you could call no-true-Scotsman logical fallacy, but I believe genuine Christians know not to murder.

They would if they believed it was God's will. Just look at the Crusades. Their brainwashing in anti-Semitism from some of the church fathers made them feel justified.


As for Martin Luther, I think he did a lot of good by his opposition to the Catholic Church.

He did, but he was still in error.


I'm not sure on the doctrine of replacement theology, but I do know that there is now neither Jew nor Gentile, all are one in Christ Jesus.

Well you'd have to know what the theology is to understand.


Agreed. But so was Hillary Clinton. And Bill. And the Bushes.

Agree with the Clintons, don't know with the Bushes. Depends on what you're talking about.
 

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Is a Christian who sins still a Christian?
I think we all agree that the answer is yes.
So then yes, Christian's killed Jews too at the concentration camps.
Now before someone says how do I know that, just stop for a moment before you type that out and think about the odds of millions of Jews killed and not even one or two of the killers were Christian.
 
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Is a Christian who sins still a Christian?
I think we all agree that the answer is yes.
So then yes, Christian's killed Jews too at the concentration camps.
Now before someone says how do I know that, just stop for a moment before you type that out and think about the odds of millions of Jews killed and not even one or two of the killers were Christian.

Jews have been blamed for the death of Jesus through the ages

Martin Luther hated Jews

no idea if actual Christians killed Jews

deception is a scary thing
 

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I think most of the people who starved in Germany in WWII were starved because the Allies bombed the food supplies. If this (starving prisoners to death) was so bad, it wouldn't have been done to the German POWs after WWII, but it was. So it is hypocritical to call Nazism evil for starving prisoners to death, but not calling out the evil of Allied governments who also starved German POWs to death.

I don't know how many people were tortured and gassed, but this pales in comparison to the 10s of millions of people (many Christians) starved and murdered and tortured and even eaten by Communist regimes. Communism and Nazism aren't even in the same league.

But if you disagree, that's your prerogative. Some people think serial killers are especially evil. Some think they are only as evil as any other murderer. I obviously think the former.
Take a holocaust tour thru Europe some day.

Very sobering experience. Which will show you why you are wrong.
 
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Figuratively speaking, he was. I do not mean he was a flesh and blood demon,because I do believe they exist. What he did was demonic and demon inspired. No doubt about that.
I believe many of the popular world leaders even today are likely inspired by demons. That doesn't mean these people are
actual demons.

I don't think you know much about Hitler and of course you are not a demon if you are physically present
I never met Hitler. I just have to deduce about him from multiple accounts of how he is described. I actually think he might have been similar to Donald Trump. I'm certainly not a demon.

what is your view with regards to the occult?
Occult comes from a Latin word meaning "to hide".

I didn't defend Hillary. Hitler wasn't brought to justice because he killed himself. Had he lived, he'd have been brought to justice and would have executed. Hence his reason for suicide. Too much of a coward to stand on his convictions.
You believe he killed himself. I believe he was rescued by his pals the British, and lived out his days in South America.

American Nazi Party, just because they don't have enough influence to run a major campaign doesn't mean they don't exist.
Okay, I stand corrected, but I'm fairly sure they don't have a policy for exterminating Jews.

Therein lies the problem. It's a dangerous evil most young people know nothing about.
I think there are far greater evils in the world than a bunch of American Nazi wannabes that most people have never even heard of.

Beliefs don't matter, facts do.
Hence this discussion, I guess.

They would if they believed it was God's will. Just look at the Crusades. Their brainwashing in anti-Semitism from some of the church fathers made them feel justified.
Lol. Now you're accusing the Church fathers of anti-Semitism? I don't think everything you think is anti-Semitism actually is anti-Semitism. When one looks in a mirror, and one sees an ugly face, its not because the mirror has decided to be rude.

He did, but he was still in error.
We are all in error about some things.

Well you'd have to know what the theology is to understand.
The bible doesn't mention the word replacement to my knowledge.

Your ignorance is dangerous.
The truth is dangerous to lies. :)

Is a Christian who sins still a Christian?
I think we all agree that the answer is yes.
Who are we to judge who is a Christian, and who is not? I would argue that a Christian follows Christ, so it would be unusual for a Christian to murder. More likely for one claiming to be a Christian, than one who truly was.

So then yes, Christian's killed Jews too at the concentration camps.
Causal logical fallacy.

Now before someone says how do I know that, just stop for a moment before you type that out and think about the odds of millions of Jews killed and not even one or two of the killers were Christian.
I don't think anyone has proved that millions of Jews were killed, let alone that one or two of the killers were Christian. Even if you go with the substantiated figures of several hundred thousand (no particular race or religion) who died in concentration camps, you'd have difficulty proving these were systematically murdered, and then difficulty again providing who murdered them - if they were murdered, and then difficulty again in proving that any one of the murderers was a Christian - if the murderers were proven to be such. You're making some big speculations.

Jews have been blamed for the death of Jesus through the ages
The Jews accepted responsibility for Jesus' murder when they demanded Pilate execute him. Don't you read the bible?

Martin Luther hated Jews
If one hated Jews, one wouldn't want them to convert to Christianity. In his statements, Martin Luther made exception for converting Jews, so I think it's dishonest to say he hated them.

no idea if actual Christians killed Jews
Doubtful, it's not a Christ-like action.

deception is a scary thing
It's all around you!

Take a holocaust tour thru Europe some day. Very sobering experience. Which will show you why you are wrong.
Is it wrong to ask for evidence? I think it is always prudent, to separate truth from all the lies.
 

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I'm not going to do the quote reply, it's to long. I'm referring to post #137 in this post.
I find it fascinating that there are people who dont believe the Jews killed during WW ii was not in the millions. Or that some believe not a single Christian was involved.
 
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I'm not going to do the quote reply, it's to long. I'm referring to post #137 in this post.
I find it fascinating that there are people who dont believe the Jews killed during WW ii was not in the millions. Or that some believe not a single Christian was involved.
Do you not believe that a man should have a fair trial before he is convicted? Proof for such serious accusations is essential, no? Just because most people believe something doesn't make it true, anymore than most people not knowing something doesn't make it false.
 
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I don't think ratmice man actually believes half the nonsense he posts

he is enjoying himself though

on the other hand though, if he actually does believe that garbage he posts,

he considers himself a superior intellect

stop replying and he will just pop up in another thread and start arguing against whatever the op is about

it gets lonely in the basement :LOL: