Australians back same-sex marriage at polls; Parliament plans December vote
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Yes, I am sure of my salvation, as I should be. It's called assurance. Since when it is playing God for me to know them by their fruits? I didn't decide for myself who was saved or unsaved, I observed. Stop acting dense.
"There are many people who are problematic in lifestyle, or confused. You can't really make out heterosexuals don't have problems and don't need to seek help, and homosexuals do. They have problems like anyone has problems." - When did I ever say or even imply that heterosexual people never have problems and never need to seek help? Did you really see this in my post, or are you just grasping at anything you can possibly think of to accuse me? Look back at my post and try to even find the word "heterosexual". And yet again, you pointing to others that may be confused and need help is yet another way to divert the attention away from homosexuality and having people break free from that.
"You say that transformation comes from knowing Christ, so, it's from knowing Christ, or from not being a homosexual?" - The transformation comes from knowing Christ, like I said ever so plainly and clearly. The transformation itself is being a new creation, which applied to this case involves being freed from the bondage of homosexuality; the transformation can't come from itself, and I neither stated nor implied that it did.
"So homophobic violence, that comes from suppression, and religious fanaticism is not a sin? I think we are moving away from such, and that's a good thing. We are moving forward not backwards." - When and where did I say that violence against homosexuals was okay? Did I ever advocate violence against anyone’s person? Your statement was this:
It is abundantly clear that the suppression that you were talking about is the suppression of homosexuality itself, not the suppression of perpetrators of violence. Don’t try to change up now.
“Again you claim to be the one who knows who is saved and who isn't, as if everyone who is Christian and heterosexual is saved, but the homosexual definitely isn't. I want people free from their bondage, and their suppressions, and their victimhood. Regardless of whether they are homosexual.” – You say that as if I think only homosexuals are unsaved and I want them free only. I want every unsaved person to become saved and free from the yoke of sin, but the focus here in this thread is obviously homosexuality. Come on now. And by the way, everyone who is Christian and heterosexual is saved, because everyone who is Christian is saved. If the person is not Christian, they are not saved. Point blank, period. That is not me deciding who is saved and who is not; that’s Scripture. Take it up with God.
“More than 50% of Christian men view pornography according to statistics. Is pornography a depravity, or is that something you would water down as meh God understands, as long as its not gay pornography, and you are not gay?” – It’s as if you believe that people who are against homosexuality somehow are permissive of everything else. Can you look back at anything I’ve written ever on CC and honestly think and say to yourself that I am permissive of pornography and other sexual depravity? Never have I ever proclaimed that God understands and permits sexual sin as long as it’s not homosexual. I’ve spoken against adultery, pornography, masturbation, fornication, prostitution, and pedophilia in my recent memory alone, so your subtle suggestion that I may be hypocritical here doesn't hold water. This is just another thinly-veiled accusation, and yet another diversion—a two for one. Aren’t you tired of me saying that yet?
“None of us are righteous. Being righteous is usually the problem. We can give our opinions and thoughts, that makes it a debate. Do we learn much factually? Probably not. The only thing we can really learn from one other, is that which branches from the vine, to have more love, forgiveness, and compassion for our fellow human beings, without loving people 'selectively' which always requires 'judgement', which is not love.” – You seem to be confusing righteousness with self-righteousness. Being righteous is definitely not anyone’s problem.
You have done nothing in response to me except give your opinions and thoughts, and not truly listen at all to the intentions of my heart, which I laid bare, much to my regret (in your case). You have learned nothing factually during this conversation—not because nothing of worth was there to be learned, but because you have decided to ignore the reality of it and twist it into what you are determined to believe about it. You have accused me--whether subtly or plainly--of things that are not even in my character. Even in your final words, you subtly accuse me of loving people selectively and judging—you just tried to hide it behind a sanctimonious, fake appeal to what you consider love and compassion, which is devoid of truth.
I don’t think there is anything more I can say here. Any further irrelevant, misrepresenting and accusatory responses from you to me from this point on will be met with my silence.
Have at it, but I will not entertain it anymore.
"There are many people who are problematic in lifestyle, or confused. You can't really make out heterosexuals don't have problems and don't need to seek help, and homosexuals do. They have problems like anyone has problems." - When did I ever say or even imply that heterosexual people never have problems and never need to seek help? Did you really see this in my post, or are you just grasping at anything you can possibly think of to accuse me? Look back at my post and try to even find the word "heterosexual". And yet again, you pointing to others that may be confused and need help is yet another way to divert the attention away from homosexuality and having people break free from that.
"You say that transformation comes from knowing Christ, so, it's from knowing Christ, or from not being a homosexual?" - The transformation comes from knowing Christ, like I said ever so plainly and clearly. The transformation itself is being a new creation, which applied to this case involves being freed from the bondage of homosexuality; the transformation can't come from itself, and I neither stated nor implied that it did.
"So homophobic violence, that comes from suppression, and religious fanaticism is not a sin? I think we are moving away from such, and that's a good thing. We are moving forward not backwards." - When and where did I say that violence against homosexuals was okay? Did I ever advocate violence against anyone’s person? Your statement was this:
It is abundantly clear that the suppression that you were talking about is the suppression of homosexuality itself, not the suppression of perpetrators of violence. Don’t try to change up now.
“Again you claim to be the one who knows who is saved and who isn't, as if everyone who is Christian and heterosexual is saved, but the homosexual definitely isn't. I want people free from their bondage, and their suppressions, and their victimhood. Regardless of whether they are homosexual.” – You say that as if I think only homosexuals are unsaved and I want them free only. I want every unsaved person to become saved and free from the yoke of sin, but the focus here in this thread is obviously homosexuality. Come on now. And by the way, everyone who is Christian and heterosexual is saved, because everyone who is Christian is saved. If the person is not Christian, they are not saved. Point blank, period. That is not me deciding who is saved and who is not; that’s Scripture. Take it up with God.
“More than 50% of Christian men view pornography according to statistics. Is pornography a depravity, or is that something you would water down as meh God understands, as long as its not gay pornography, and you are not gay?” – It’s as if you believe that people who are against homosexuality somehow are permissive of everything else. Can you look back at anything I’ve written ever on CC and honestly think and say to yourself that I am permissive of pornography and other sexual depravity? Never have I ever proclaimed that God understands and permits sexual sin as long as it’s not homosexual. I’ve spoken against adultery, pornography, masturbation, fornication, prostitution, and pedophilia in my recent memory alone, so your subtle suggestion that I may be hypocritical here doesn't hold water. This is just another thinly-veiled accusation, and yet another diversion—a two for one. Aren’t you tired of me saying that yet?
“None of us are righteous. Being righteous is usually the problem. We can give our opinions and thoughts, that makes it a debate. Do we learn much factually? Probably not. The only thing we can really learn from one other, is that which branches from the vine, to have more love, forgiveness, and compassion for our fellow human beings, without loving people 'selectively' which always requires 'judgement', which is not love.” – You seem to be confusing righteousness with self-righteousness. Being righteous is definitely not anyone’s problem.
You have done nothing in response to me except give your opinions and thoughts, and not truly listen at all to the intentions of my heart, which I laid bare, much to my regret (in your case). You have learned nothing factually during this conversation—not because nothing of worth was there to be learned, but because you have decided to ignore the reality of it and twist it into what you are determined to believe about it. You have accused me--whether subtly or plainly--of things that are not even in my character. Even in your final words, you subtly accuse me of loving people selectively and judging—you just tried to hide it behind a sanctimonious, fake appeal to what you consider love and compassion, which is devoid of truth.
I don’t think there is anything more I can say here. Any further irrelevant, misrepresenting and accusatory responses from you to me from this point on will be met with my silence.
Have at it, but I will not entertain it anymore.
interesting the argument of some. How can one argue asexual preference that God does not nor will ever accept? to say homosexuals have problems and heterosexuals do not is very subtle. Homosexuality is not a race of people. it is a sexual preference . and Biblically NOT of God nor can be. So to argue the sin's of heterosexuals and homosexuals bring or attempts to authenticate homosexuality. it's sin. heterosexual is not sin in the context of the word unless you are a fornicator or lusting . Homo sexuality is sin because it is birthed out of sin. i.e. ones preference against Gods plan for man and women.
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When we honor God, God will prevent it from happening. We the people who honor Christianity and pass these values on to our posterity and reveal the light to others will also stop "someone else from doing the same".
You have little faith in God to support our society, you put your faith in the constitution. You should be ashamed of yourself as a Christian, but you have patriotic pride instead.
You have little faith in God to support our society, you put your faith in the constitution. You should be ashamed of yourself as a Christian, but you have patriotic pride instead.