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[MultilingualMessenger]

Yeh, I can help explain that.

What do you love about homosexual people? I mean from a personal angle? Of course if you are sinless, you don't have to answer that question...

You asked the right one today.

Before I was saved, I was a bisexual, gender-confused individual. I surrounded myself with people who would support (read: encourage, say there was nothing wrong with) my "identity". My closest friends were those who were also homosexual or gender-confused. I saw my best friend through sexual reassignment surgery, and supported her transition. The vast majority of my LGBT peers and friends were deeply troubled--self-diagnosed with multiple emotional or mood disorders, many suicidal--and in reality, despite their intentions, only ever encouraged each other to persist in their victimhood and depression. The most important things in that "community" were "identity", sex/promiscuity, and "social justice" (read: making sure we all thought we were victims, and making sure everyone else thought so too, or they were bigots). We were nothing but self-focused to the point of sickness.

We all believed and told each other we were born that way, it was natural, and we couldn't ever change. Anything was allowed: homosexuality, bisexuality, pansexuality, polysexuality, polyamory, prostitution, you name it; there was no order and no boundaries. One of my friends even supported incest, and quite a few supported suicide (because "it's their life and they have the right to end it if they want to"). Drug abuse and alcoholism were rampant and out of control too. Coming from that background, I can probably name a lot of terms that many people here would never have heard in their lifetime. But I won't do that, because the point is, it's all confusion. We overcomplicated everything and considered ourselves more enlightened than "bigots" and "backwards Christians" to feel better about ourselves.

Even with all the focus on "identity" and "self-worth", I didn't know myself from a can of paint. I was lost, and all that so-called empowerment and self-worth jive left me feeling nothing but powerless and worthless. I saw nothing but destruction, debauchery, and despair.

It was Jesus who healed me and made me whole. Not homosexuality, not so-called "allies" who encouraged that pathology, not "progressive" Christians who wanted to rewrite the Bible, talk about other sins, or tippy-toe around the subject. Only Jesus.

I look at my old friends now and they are still depressed, still resentful and hateful of anyone who's not them, still anxious, still easily sent into a downward spiral, still drug-addicted, still sleeping with everybody on the street, still changing their "identities" like they change their socks, still suicidal, and some have even committed suicide.

It's a miracle of God that this sin didn't take me out too.

So what do I love about homosexual people, from a personal angle? I love their souls. I want to see their souls saved like mine was. My past in is that "community" and I want to see them be new creations like I am. So don't be surprised if I refuse to look away and be distracted by other sins when we're talking about the sin I was pulled out of. I know it could have damned my soul and I will not sit by while folks look at my old friends and look past all of their struggles and then tell me that I'm unloving for wanting them to see the Truth and get out.

I caught your unnecessary jab, but this is not about me being sinless. This is about me knowing personally the devastating effects of this sin and wanting to steer others away from the path I took and help others off that dark path.

People that divert attention away from homosexuality already have blood on their hands, and it could have been my blood. I will never forget that.

I will not let anyone wash their hands with the blood of my friends if I can help it.

So, I'll ask again: why do so many people want to divert the attention to other sins when homosexuality is brought up? Can you, or anyone, explain that to me?

 

[Society]

Another diversion attempt.

What is it about homosexuality that makes people want to talk about all the sins that aren't homosexuality? Why does this specific sin always trigger the "distract" response in so many people? I have never seen people so eager to spout out a list of sins and Mosaic laws as they are when homosexuality is even mentioned--and of course, homosexuality is never included in that eagerly regurgitated list.

People with otherwise normal attention spans all of a sudden, for some reason, can not focus on the topic at hand if it's homosexuality.

Can anyone help me understand that?

Another diversion attempt.

What is it about people who quote Levitical law to justify their prejudice being unable to address direct parallels also from the bible that they choose not to follow.

Can anyone help me understand that?

 

[Dude653]

Levitical law was mentioned in response to someone else's comment who brought it up first

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

Another diversion attempt.

What is it about people who quote Levitical law to justify their prejudice being unable to address direct parallels also from the bible that they choose not to follow.

Can anyone help me understand that?

From who? I've kept to the topic. Nice try, but not really.

Since when is quoting the Bible to say that homosexuality is a sin justifying one's prejudice? Or are you just assuming that everyone who takes God at His Word regarding homosexuality must have been prejudiced all along and are just looking for some justification? And as someone has already mentioned, homosexuality is not only wrong as per Levitical Law, so that was also not a "direct parallel".

Are you referring to someone else here, or is there something I said that went against the Bible? If there is something I said that indicates that I choose not to follow the Bible, then please point it out. Otherwise, reply with quote to the person you're actually referring to.

Meanwhile, my question still stands.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

Meanwhile, my question still stands.

Here is my question again for those who may have missed it, and for those who want to divert the attention away from that too:

So, I'll ask again: why do so many people want to divert the attention to other sins when homosexuality is brought up? Can you, or anyone, explain that to me?

 

[Susanna]

I have a friend, she's a lesbian and is living with her "friend". I really like her, she's the one I'm sharing my ups and downs with.

She is an awesome friend. Her "friend" is too, and she has been so nice after she realized I'm not a lesbian.

HAHAHA

 

[notuptome]

I have a friend, she's a lesbian and is living with her "friend". I really like her, she's the one I'm sharing my ups and downs with.

She is an awesome friend. Her "friend" is too, and she has been so nice after she realized I'm not a lesbian.

HAHAHA

Really a shame they are lost and will be eternally condemned. Good people and nice people are still in need of Jesus to save them from their sins. They are often the hardest to win to Christ because they see themselves as good and nice and better than many other folks.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[oldethennew]

when we inherently, even before 'conversion', and especially after, find that certain ones prefer
what Jesus has expressed in this particular area, well, disgusting...for most it is just something
that is 'inbred' inside of us, and it's really not about the person-s, per say, but just the acts
in themselves that are abhorrent in our minds...

 

[mj007]

That is open of you I appreciate that.

However you can't judge every gay person by those you hung around with, and that specific group. There are many heterosexuals who act in the same way and are part of a group of people, who are self-centred, and have many issues. In fact this way of heterosexuality is thrown in our face constantly from every angle. It also tends to rule the perception of society and culture. As do the self-centred of the gay society.

TV, media, advertising. There are good people and bad people. There are good gays and bad gays.

My thoughts on homosexuality, and not allowing it to be open, is that the good people out there, if they live in a suppressed world, are more likely to 'join the crowd' of those alike. More likely to get sucked into the depravity of what some refer to as the 'gay lifestyle'. But I will never say every gay follows a gay lifestyle. So in living in a less suppressed society, they are able to speak to people and get help with their struggles or if so, identity crisis. Other than that, be allowed to live a more normal life, with heterosexual people, in an accepting world where they can do good and be good people, even as a homosexual.

I'll never condemn homosexuals and say that they can never be a good person, or that they can only be a good person if they change their ways. I think this kind of condemnation is evil. If you really want someone to change, you love them. But if you have a twisted version of love, which is be destructive and call it love, then one is part of the problem.

This is not so different from the suppression young people have anyway, except the depravity is not something sexual, it is just going off the rails sex drugs and rock n roll, a general depravity rather than isolated sexual depravity. I think that comes from suppression.

Even sex slaves exist these days, and sex trades, and you cannot blame that on homosexuals, blame that on evil.

Are prostitutes generally homosexual, or at least male?

When we think of homosexuality we generally think of men, in the disgust. Having researched it, it comes down to one main thing. Our imagination of how they have sex. Just putting that bluntly, but in studies it is the truth.

But then so is thinking about how your parents made you.

You may not agree, but as part of letting go of the suppression of homosexuality, and allowing them to genuinely love each other, and live a life normally as heterosexuals do, I have seen inserts into some series on TV. I myself as a heterosexual, always felt awkward thinking about it, or seeing it on TV. But I have found that having genuine (not gay lifestyle) type actors/actresses in series has helped me feel less awkward about it. That is obviously the intention, and I think from director choice of adding that, its a good way to help people who are not homophobic, at least be more accepting.

The newest series surprised me. Netflix: Star Trek Discovery

You can't get through to people you don't accept first. Do you condemn a whole crowd based on sexual orientation, based on race, based on gender, or do you avoid discrimination so that people feel welcome, and then from that point you can be a shining light.

People have to choose something themselves, they have to be inspired. Not forced. And hatred in it's many subtle forms, is just a part of evil, not love.

It would be nice to think homosexuals felt welcome in this place, but I doubt it really. And that is a problem with some of the people here. It is why there are people saying they want to leave because of the negativity.

I sometimes think the ones who like to come across as if they are the best Christian, are the worst Christians. There is no one righteous, but the one who makes it so, is indeed not to be trusted. And even they are a group of select people on here, if you connect the dots.

Always be part of the whole, without picking sides. And even if someone you consider a friend attacks another, be the defender. It is more important to defend than to attack. But a righteous person doesn't understand this.

You asked the right one today.

Before I was saved, I was a bisexual, gender-confused individual. I surrounded myself with people who would support (read: encourage, say there was nothing wrong with) my "identity". My closest friends were those who were also homosexual or gender-confused. I saw my best friend through sexual reassignment surgery, and supported her transition. The vast majority of my LGBT peers and friends were deeply troubled--self-diagnosed with multiple emotional or mood disorders, many suicidal--and in reality, despite their intentions, only ever encouraged each other to persist in their victimhood and depression. The most important things in that "community" were "identity", sex/promiscuity, and "social justice" (read: making sure we all thought we were victims, and making sure everyone else thought so too, or they were bigots). We were nothing but self-focused to the point of sickness.

We all believed and told each other we were born that way, it was natural, and we couldn't ever change. Anything was allowed: homosexuality, bisexuality, pansexuality, polysexuality, polyamory, prostitution, you name it; there was no order and no boundaries. One of my friends even supported incest, and quite a few supported suicide (because "it's their life and they have the right to end it if they want to"). Drug abuse and alcoholism were rampant and out of control too. Coming from that background, I can probably name a lot of terms that many people here would never have heard in their lifetime. But I won't do that, because the point is, it's all confusion. We overcomplicated everything and considered ourselves more enlightened than "bigots" and "backwards Christians" to feel better about ourselves.

Even with all the focus on "identity" and "self-worth", I didn't know myself from a can of paint. I was lost, and all that so-called empowerment and self-worth jive left me feeling nothing but powerless and worthless. I saw nothing but destruction, debauchery, and despair.

It was Jesus who healed me and made me whole. Not homosexuality, not so-called "allies" who encouraged that pathology, not "progressive" Christians who wanted to rewrite the Bible, talk about other sins, or tippy-toe around the subject. Only Jesus.

I look at my old friends now and they are still depressed, still resentful and hateful of anyone who's not them, still anxious, still easily sent into a downward spiral, still drug-addicted, still sleeping with everybody on the street, still changing their "identities" like they change their socks, still suicidal, and some have even committed suicide.

It's a miracle of God that this sin didn't take me out too.

So what do I love about homosexual people, from a personal angle? I love their souls. I want to see their souls saved like mine was. My past in is that "community" and I want to see them be new creations like I am. So don't be surprised if I refuse to look away and be distracted by other sins when we're talking about the sin I was pulled out of. I know it could have damned my soul and I will not sit by while folks look at my old friends and look past all of their struggles and then tell me that I'm unloving for wanting them to see the Truth and get out.

I caught your unnecessary jab, but this is not about me being sinless. This is about me knowing personally the devastating effects of this sin and wanting to steer others away from the path I took and help others off that dark path.

People that divert attention away from homosexuality already have blood on their hands, and it could have been my blood. I will never forget that.

I will not let anyone wash their hands with the blood of my friends if I can help it.

So, I'll ask again: why do so many people want to divert the attention to other sins when homosexuality is brought up? Can you, or anyone, explain that to me?

 

[oldethennew]

PHI. 4:7.
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds
through Christ Jesus.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

That is open of you I appreciate that.

However you can't judge every gay person by those you hung around with, and that specific group. There are many heterosexuals who act in the same way and are part of a group of people, who are self-centred, and have many issues. In fact this way of heterosexuality is thrown in our face constantly from every angle. It also tends to rule the perception of society and culture. As do the self-centred of the gay society.

TV, media, advertising. There are good people and bad people. There are good gays and bad gays.

My thoughts on homosexuality, and not allowing it to be open, is that the good people out there, if they live in a suppressed world, are more likely to 'join the crowd' of those alike. More likely to get sucked into the depravity of what some refer to as the 'gay lifestyle'. But I will never say every gay follows a gay lifestyle. So in living in a less suppressed society, they are able to speak to people and get help with their struggles or if so, identity crisis. Other than that, be allowed to live a more normal life, with heterosexual people, in an accepting world where they can do good and be good people, even as a homosexual.

I'll never condemn homosexuals and say that they can never be a good person, or that they can only be a good person if they change their ways. I think this kind of condemnation is evil. If you really want someone to change, you love them. But if you have a twisted version of love, which is be destructive and call it love, then one is part of the problem.

This is not so different from the suppression young people have anyway, except the depravity is not something sexual, it is just going off the rails sex drugs and rock n roll, a general depravity rather than isolated sexual depravity. I think that comes from suppression.

Even sex slaves exist these days, and sex trades, and you cannot blame that on homosexuals, blame that on evil.

Are prostitutes generally homosexual, or at least male?

When we think of homosexuality we generally think of men, in the disgust. Having researched it, it comes down to one main thing. Our imagination of how they have sex. Just putting that bluntly, but in studies it is the truth.

But then so is thinking about how your parents made you.

You may not agree, but as part of letting go of the suppression of homosexuality, and allowing them to genuinely love each other, and live a life normally as heterosexuals do, I have seen inserts into some series on TV. I myself as a heterosexual, always felt awkward thinking about it, or seeing it on TV. But I have found that having genuine (not gay lifestyle) type actors/actresses in series has helped me feel less awkward about it. That is obviously the intention, and I think from director choice of adding that, its a good way to help people who are not homophobic, at least be more accepting.

The newest series surprised me. Netflix: Star Trek Discovery

You can't get through to people you don't accept first. Do you condemn a whole crowd based on sexual orientation, based on race, based on gender, or do you avoid discrimination so that people feel welcome, and then from that point you can be a shining light.

People have to choose something themselves, they have to be inspired. Not forced. And hatred in it's many subtle forms, is just a part of evil, not love.

It would be nice to think homosexuals felt welcome in this place, but I doubt it really. And that is a problem with some of the people here. It is why there are people saying they want to leave because of the negativity.

I sometimes think the ones who like to come across as if they are the best Christian, are the worst Christians. There is no one righteous, but the one who makes it so, is indeed not to be trusted. And even they are a group of select people on here, if you connect the dots.

Always be part of the whole, without picking sides. And even if someone you consider a friend attacks another, be the defender. It is more important to defend than to attack. But a righteous person doesn't understand this.

*sigh* I don't "judge" every gay person by those I know. And others who don't support homosexuality aren't doing this either. I'm not even "judging" the individuals that I was talking about in my post, I was describing what was. Are you serious? I was one of those "good" gay people you want so badly for me to think about. I knew and still know homosexual and gender-confused people who are kind, not drug-addicted, and not promiscuous, but so what? This is not about my judgment of a person, this is about me wanting to see their soul saved. My consideration of them as "good" doesn't save them, and neither does yours. I honestly don't know how I can make that any more clear to you. This is not about who I consider to be good people or bad people. If you can't see the intentions of my heart in this, it's because you're determined to reduce me to a "homophobic", unloving, discriminatory, judgmental bigot who condemns a whole crowd despite my openness and explanation of exactly where I'm coming from.

I want homosexual and gender-confused people to speak up and seek help. But why would they do that if we pretend there is nothing wrong and everything is hunky-dory, or pacify them by saying other people have sins too, so theirs is okay? When was the last time you sought help when nothing was wrong?

It's not that a homosexual can't be a good person, it's that nobody can be a good enough person to save themselves. Yet we tell homosexual people day in and day out that they're okay, and we tell everyone else to tell them that too. None of us can be "good people" without the transformation that only comes from knowing Christ. Nothing is twisted about telling any person that truth, and that is love.

Where did I blame the world's evils on homosexuals? In fact, where did I blame at all? I didn't say there wasn't evil all over (which is yet another way to divert the focus; can you help it?), but I know the evils that I saw, and they are not uncommon for those who have walked that path. It was easy for folks to fall into many manifestations of depravity because there were no boundaries; why would there be any with no moral compass and an "anything goes" mentality? Why would you not take this information from someone who actually comes from that background?

Frankly, I don't care what your research says about why people are disgusted with male homosexuality. This isn't about people's response to homosexuality, it's about people knowing God's response to it--and He wants to deliver people from it, not encourage them to continue in it, regardless of how "good" you think they are.

Releasing people from "suppression" so they can celebrate their sinfulness and depravity, wallow in it and remain in bondage to it, and making sure everyone is relentlessly exposed to such depravity in media should not sound ideal to you, as a Christian. Of course it's the world's goal to make people feel less awkward about sin. Can't you see that?

Nowhere have I forced anyone to believe, I just don't appreciate watering down the truth about sin to appease people's fragile sensibilities. That's what gets unsaved people to thinking they're perfectly fine and have no need for Jesus. I will never be "accepting" of anyone's bondage; I want them free. The one who lies to and suppresses the truth from a people who sorely need it is the one who is hateful, not me. You can't love them if you lie to them. I'm not attacking; I defend homosexual people by telling them the truth, being a living example of that truth, praying for and with them, not enabling them, and not letting others silence people who also want to reach out to them with the truth. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth.

A righteous person should understand that.

 

[willfollowsGod]

You asked the right one today.

Before I was saved, I was a bisexual, gender-confused individual. I surrounded myself with people who would support (read: encourage, say there was nothing wrong with) my "identity". My closest friends were those who were also homosexual or gender-confused. I saw my best friend through sexual reassignment surgery, and supported her transition. The vast majority of my LGBT peers and friends were deeply troubled--self-diagnosed with multiple emotional or mood disorders, many suicidal--and in reality, despite their intentions, only ever encouraged each other to persist in their victimhood and depression. The most important things in that "community" were "identity", sex/promiscuity, and "social justice" (read: making sure we all thought we were victims, and making sure everyone else thought so too, or they were bigots). We were nothing but self-focused to the point of sickness.

We all believed and told each other we were born that way, it was natural, and we couldn't ever change. Anything was allowed: homosexuality, bisexuality, pansexuality, polysexuality, polyamory, prostitution, you name it; there was no order and no boundaries. One of my friends even supported incest, and quite a few supported suicide (because "it's their life and they have the right to end it if they want to"). Drug abuse and alcoholism were rampant and out of control too. Coming from that background, I can probably name a lot of terms that many people here would never have heard in their lifetime. But I won't do that, because the point is, it's all confusion. We overcomplicated everything and considered ourselves more enlightened than "bigots" and "backwards Christians" to feel better about ourselves.

Even with all the focus on "identity" and "self-worth", I didn't know myself from a can of paint. I was lost, and all that so-called empowerment and self-worth jive left me feeling nothing but powerless and worthless. I saw nothing but destruction, debauchery, and despair.

It was Jesus who healed me and made me whole. Not homosexuality, not so-called "allies" who encouraged that pathology, not "progressive" Christians who wanted to rewrite the Bible, talk about other sins, or tippy-toe around the subject. Only Jesus.

I look at my old friends now and they are still depressed, still resentful and hateful of anyone who's not them, still anxious, still easily sent into a downward spiral, still drug-addicted, still sleeping with everybody on the street, still changing their "identities" like they change their socks, still suicidal, and some have even committed suicide.

It's a miracle of God that this sin didn't take me out too.

So what do I love about homosexual people, from a personal angle? I love their souls. I want to see their souls saved like mine was. My past in is that "community" and I want to see them be new creations like I am. So don't be surprised if I refuse to look away and be distracted by other sins when we're talking about the sin I was pulled out of. I know it could have damned my soul and I will not sit by while folks look at my old friends and look past all of their struggles and then tell me that I'm unloving for wanting them to see the Truth and get out.

I caught your unnecessary jab, but this is not about me being sinless. This is about me knowing personally the devastating effects of this sin and wanting to steer others away from the path I took and help others off that dark path.

People that divert attention away from homosexuality already have blood on their hands, and it could have been my blood. I will never forget that.

I will not let anyone wash their hands with the blood of my friends if I can help it.

So, I'll ask again: why do so many people want to divert the attention to other sins when homosexuality is brought up? Can you, or anyone, explain that to me?

Thank you for your testimony, the passage in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, shows that this is possible contrary to the world, Society, Dude653, mj007, etc.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

a. The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.

 

[MichaelOwen]

You asked the right one today.

Before I was saved, I was a bisexual, gender-confused individual. I surrounded myself with people who would support (read: encourage, say there was nothing wrong with) my "identity". My closest friends were those who were also homosexual or gender-confused. I saw my best friend through sexual reassignment surgery, and supported her transition. The vast majority of my LGBT peers and friends were deeply troubled--self-diagnosed with multiple emotional or mood disorders, many suicidal--and in reality, despite their intentions, only ever encouraged each other to persist in their victimhood and depression. The most important things in that "community" were "identity", sex/promiscuity, and "social justice" (read: making sure we all thought we were victims, and making sure everyone else thought so too, or they were bigots). We were nothing but self-focused to the point of sickness.

We all believed and told each other we were born that way, it was natural, and we couldn't ever change. Anything was allowed: homosexuality, bisexuality, pansexuality, polysexuality, polyamory, prostitution, you name it; there was no order and no boundaries. One of my friends even supported incest, and quite a few supported suicide (because "it's their life and they have the right to end it if they want to"). Drug abuse and alcoholism were rampant and out of control too. Coming from that background, I can probably name a lot of terms that many people here would never have heard in their lifetime. But I won't do that, because the point is, it's all confusion. We overcomplicated everything and considered ourselves more enlightened than "bigots" and "backwards Christians" to feel better about ourselves.

Even with all the focus on "identity" and "self-worth", I didn't know myself from a can of paint. I was lost, and all that so-called empowerment and self-worth jive left me feeling nothing but powerless and worthless. I saw nothing but destruction, debauchery, and despair.

It was Jesus who healed me and made me whole. Not homosexuality, not so-called "allies" who encouraged that pathology, not "progressive" Christians who wanted to rewrite the Bible, talk about other sins, or tippy-toe around the subject. Only Jesus.

I look at my old friends now and they are still depressed, still resentful and hateful of anyone who's not them, still anxious, still easily sent into a downward spiral, still drug-addicted, still sleeping with everybody on the street, still changing their "identities" like they change their socks, still suicidal, and some have even committed suicide.

It's a miracle of God that this sin didn't take me out too.

So what do I love about homosexual people, from a personal angle? I love their souls. I want to see their souls saved like mine was. My past in is that "community" and I want to see them be new creations like I am. So don't be surprised if I refuse to look away and be distracted by other sins when we're talking about the sin I was pulled out of. I know it could have damned my soul and I will not sit by while folks look at my old friends and look past all of their struggles and then tell me that I'm unloving for wanting them to see the Truth and get out.

I caught your unnecessary jab, but this is not about me being sinless. This is about me knowing personally the devastating effects of this sin and wanting to steer others away from the path I took and help others off that dark path.

People that divert attention away from homosexuality already have blood on their hands, and it could have been my blood. I will never forget that.

I will not let anyone wash their hands with the blood of my friends if I can help it.

So, I'll ask again: why do so many people want to divert the attention to other sins when homosexuality is brought up? Can you, or anyone, explain that to me?

I really truly appreciate this testimony. Such power and conviction. Jesus is the only way to break an addiction, and to make your life whole. When a person truly accepts Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, yes, they will still contend with their fleshly desires, but in Christ, they have a new mind, and a new life. The desires they had as a lost or unbeliever changes. Sin is sin, and just because homosexuality is brought up does not excuse anyone to focus on other sins. Sin is sin, and it's wrong, and those who are in this sin, they are in it willingly. God does not condone sin, we all know and understand that.

It's hard for me to understand that people were born gay or homosexual when that cannot be true, not the slightest. If that were true, then God would have made that person gay when they were filled with a soul in the womb, and we all know God's word teaches us that lying with another man or woman if you are of the same sex is an abomination. That would mean God condones that..... WE KNOW HE DOES NOT. If our Lord did, then that would make his word untrue, and him unjust, but he's not. His word is perfect, and pure, and cleansing. It's not something you were born with, it's a conscious choice you make.

I believe the biggest reason people wanna divert to other sins is because homosexuality has blown up to the proportion like race has, you don't want to offend anybody, because if you do, then you're prejudice or racist. But you have to stand on the living Word of God. Jesus said it Himself to Satan, It is written that MAN shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And please don't think me wrong here, but I find it impossible for a person to be a Christian man or woman and STILL partake in that kind of lifestyle. I'm not judging, it's just hard to believe. When you confess your sins to Christ and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, that lifestyle should go away, you shouldn't want to live in that sin anymore, since you are now aware of it. If a man tells me Oh how I love Jesus, then I see them hand in hand with another man, it really is very perplexing to me.

People in this lifestyle need prayer, and they need love. And the best way to show that love to them, is to preach Jesus to them. Share your testimonies with them, let them see the peace and love you have in your life, because with the sad depressed lifestyle in which they live in, you have what they are seeking.

I'm so thankful for you and your testimony. It's very powerful and so uplifting.

 

[oldethennew]

don't try and pacify, MM, she's got this down pat...

she's got the 'Good News' and is trying her best to help others...

 

[kaylagrl]

You asked the right one today.

Before I was saved, I was a bisexual, gender-confused individual. I surrounded myself with people who would support (read: encourage, say there was nothing wrong with) my "identity". My closest friends were those who were also homosexual or gender-confused. I saw my best friend through sexual reassignment surgery, and supported her transition. The vast majority of my LGBT peers and friends were deeply troubled--self-diagnosed with multiple emotional or mood disorders, many suicidal--and in reality, despite their intentions, only ever encouraged each other to persist in their victimhood and depression. The most important things in that "community" were "identity", sex/promiscuity, and "social justice" (read: making sure we all thought we were victims, and making sure everyone else thought so too, or they were bigots). We were nothing but self-focused to the point of sickness.

We all believed and told each other we were born that way, it was natural, and we couldn't ever change. Anything was allowed: homosexuality, bisexuality, pansexuality, polysexuality, polyamory, prostitution, you name it; there was no order and no boundaries. One of my friends even supported incest, and quite a few supported suicide (because "it's their life and they have the right to end it if they want to"). Drug abuse and alcoholism were rampant and out of control too. Coming from that background, I can probably name a lot of terms that many people here would never have heard in their lifetime. But I won't do that, because the point is, it's all confusion. We overcomplicated everything and considered ourselves more enlightened than "bigots" and "backwards Christians" to feel better about ourselves.

Even with all the focus on "identity" and "self-worth", I didn't know myself from a can of paint. I was lost, and all that so-called empowerment and self-worth jive left me feeling nothing but powerless and worthless. I saw nothing but destruction, debauchery, and despair.

It was Jesus who healed me and made me whole. Not homosexuality, not so-called "allies" who encouraged that pathology, not "progressive" Christians who wanted to rewrite the Bible, talk about other sins, or tippy-toe around the subject. Only Jesus.

I look at my old friends now and they are still depressed, still resentful and hateful of anyone who's not them, still anxious, still easily sent into a downward spiral, still drug-addicted, still sleeping with everybody on the street, still changing their "identities" like they change their socks, still suicidal, and some have even committed suicide.

It's a miracle of God that this sin didn't take me out too.

So what do I love about homosexual people, from a personal angle? I love their souls. I want to see their souls saved like mine was. My past in is that "community" and I want to see them be new creations like I am. So don't be surprised if I refuse to look away and be distracted by other sins when we're talking about the sin I was pulled out of. I know it could have damned my soul and I will not sit by while folks look at my old friends and look past all of their struggles and then tell me that I'm unloving for wanting them to see the Truth and get out.

I caught your unnecessary jab, but this is not about me being sinless. This is about me knowing personally the devastating effects of this sin and wanting to steer others away from the path I took and help others off that dark path.

People that divert attention away from homosexuality already have blood on their hands, and it could have been my blood. I will never forget that.

I will not let anyone wash their hands with the blood of my friends if I can help it.

So, I'll ask again: why do so many people want to divert the attention to other sins when homosexuality is brought up? Can you, or anyone, explain that to me?

What an amazing and beautiful testimony! It honestly brought tears to my eyes.And this is what Ive been saying all along,that people are in chains,they are in bondage. We have the light,we are told to spread the Good News. As William Booth said God is able to save from the "guttermost to the uttermost". Thank you for sharing this personal testimony sis.Be blessed.

 

[MichaelOwen]

But most of the Evangelical types are so pushy and overbearing that all they are doing is pushing people further away

Where are your fruits? Excuses do not bring forth fruits. The devil offers MANY excuses! But there is no excuse with God, so where are your fruits?

 

[kaylagrl]

Another diversion attempt.

What is it about people who quote Levitical law to justify their prejudice being unable to address direct parallels also from the bible that they choose not to follow.

Can anyone help me understand that?

The NT says homosexuality is a perversion also. Homosexuality is sinning against your own body,which the Bible makes clear. And your response to our sisters personal testimony is obnoxious and ignorant.I would say you owe her an apology,we'll see if you are mature enough to do so.

 

[MichaelOwen]

Another diversion attempt.

What is it about people who quote Levitical law to justify their prejudice being unable to address direct parallels also from the bible that they choose not to follow.

Can anyone help me understand that?

This is a blatant attempt to accuse some of being prejudice, when if you're going to go to that level of judgment, then go ahead and judge the Lord's word, because it's in there! That is where we know that homosexuality is wrong! Using Levitical law to try and justify your sinful lifestyle in homosexuality is NO EXCUSE. Yes Jesus is our mediator but a lot of people tend to forget. Jesus didn't come to destroy the LAW, He came to FULFILL the law! That's to make sure it is UPHELD by all of those who accept Him as their personal Lord and Savior.

When you accept Christ and He saves you, He's going to hold you accountable. Essentially when you accept Jesus, you're telling Him, alright, I accept ALL of you, everything that you offer, which is from God! You can't just accept SOME of it, you either accept it all, or none of it.

So no, MM is not being prejudice or judgmental, she's stating her testimony to try and keep the focus on this sin. You do owe her an apology, and it would be who of you to do so.

 

[kaylagrl]

That is open of you I appreciate that.

However you can't judge every gay person by those you hung around with, and that specific group. There are many heterosexuals who act in the same way and are part of a group of people, who are self-centred, and have many issues. In fact this way of heterosexuality is thrown in our face constantly from every angle. It also tends to rule the perception of society and culture. As do the self-centred of the gay society.

TV, media, advertising. There are good people and bad people. There are good gays and bad gays.

My thoughts on homosexuality, and not allowing it to be open, is that the good people out there, if they live in a suppressed world, are more likely to 'join the crowd' of those alike. More likely to get sucked into the depravity of what some refer to as the 'gay lifestyle'. But I will never say every gay follows a gay lifestyle. So in living in a less suppressed society, they are able to speak to people and get help with their struggles or if so, identity crisis. Other than that, be allowed to live a more normal life, with heterosexual people, in an accepting world where they can do good and be good people, even as a homosexual.

I'll never condemn homosexuals and say that they can never be a good person, or that they can only be a good person if they change their ways. I think this kind of condemnation is evil. If you really want someone to change, you love them. But if you have a twisted version of love, which is be destructive and call it love, then one is part of the problem.

This is not so different from the suppression young people have anyway, except the depravity is not something sexual, it is just going off the rails sex drugs and rock n roll, a general depravity rather than isolated sexual depravity. I think that comes from suppression.

Even sex slaves exist these days, and sex trades, and you cannot blame that on homosexuals, blame that on evil.

Are prostitutes generally homosexual, or at least male?

When we think of homosexuality we generally think of men, in the disgust. Having researched it, it comes down to one main thing. Our imagination of how they have sex. Just putting that bluntly, but in studies it is the truth.

But then so is thinking about how your parents made you.

You may not agree, but as part of letting go of the suppression of homosexuality, and allowing them to genuinely love each other, and live a life normally as heterosexuals do, I have seen inserts into some series on TV. I myself as a heterosexual, always felt awkward thinking about it, or seeing it on TV. But I have found that having genuine (not gay lifestyle) type actors/actresses in series has helped me feel less awkward about it. That is obviously the intention, and I think from director choice of adding that, its a good way to help people who are not homophobic, at least be more accepting.

The newest series surprised me. Netflix: Star Trek Discovery

You can't get through to people you don't accept first. Do you condemn a whole crowd based on sexual orientation, based on race, based on gender, or do you avoid discrimination so that people feel welcome, and then from that point you can be a shining light.

People have to choose something themselves, they have to be inspired. Not forced. And hatred in it's many subtle forms, is just a part of evil, not love.

It would be nice to think homosexuals felt welcome in this place, but I doubt it really. And that is a problem with some of the people here. It is why there are people saying they want to leave because of the negativity.

I sometimes think the ones who like to come across as if they are the best Christian, are the worst Christians. There is no one righteous, but the one who makes it so, is indeed not to be trusted. And even they are a group of select people on here, if you connect the dots.

Always be part of the whole, without picking sides. And even if someone you consider a friend attacks another, be the defender. It is more important to defend than to attack. But a righteous person doesn't understand this.

There are good people and bad people. There are good gays and bad gays.

It has nothing to do with a person being "good or bad" it has to do with people being lost and in bondage to sin. And as a pastor friend of mine says "sin makes you stupid" and arrogant.They need to hear the truth that He saves and delivers. That is the issue.

So in living in a less suppressed society, they are able to speak to people and get help with their struggles or if so, identity crisis. Other than that, be allowed to live a more normal life, with heterosexual people, in an accepting world where they can do good and be good people, even as a homosexual.

I don't see where the Bible ever says we need to be more accepting of sin. What you are doing is keeping people in darkness and bondage to sin. Normalizing homosexuality encourages that behavior.Its not normal and they need to hear the truth,Jesus Saves.

I'll never condemn homosexuals and say that they can never be a good person, or that they can only be a good person if they change their ways. I think this kind of condemnation is evil. If you really want someone to change, you love them. But if you have a twisted version of love, which is be destructive and call it love, then one is part of the problem.
This is not so different from the suppression young people have anyway, except the depravity is not something sexual, it is just going off the rails sex drugs and rock n roll, a general depravity rather than isolated sexual depravity. I think that comes from suppression.

So when you say suppression is the reason for sin you are giving your opinion.The Bible tells us the reason for sin and the cure for it. The Bible says that sin is even fun,for a season. Again you are saying a person is "bad" and equating that with sinful. People are lost.Its not a matter of being bad or good.People can have a moral code,shoot people can attend church and still split hell wide open.Without Christ we are all lost.Its that simple.

When we think of homosexuality we generally think of men, in the disgust. Having researched it, it comes down to one main thing. Our imagination of how they have sex. Just putting that bluntly, but in studies it is the truth.

But then so is thinking about how your parents made you.

You may not agree, but as part of letting go of the suppression of homosexuality, and allowing them to genuinely love each other, and live a life normally as heterosexuals do, I have seen inserts into some series on TV. I myself as a heterosexual, always felt awkward thinking about it, or seeing it on TV. But I have found that having genuine (not gay lifestyle) type actors/actresses in series has helped me feel less awkward about it. That is obviously the intention, and I think from director choice of adding that, its a good way to help people who are not homophobic, at least be more accepting.

You are more accepting of it because it is being accepted and normalized.My parents made me within the bonds of marriage and in love. They had sex,several times I'd imagine,and a year later I was born.There is nothing yucky about love making done within the bonds of marriage,read Song of Solomon. But men having sex together is wrong,the same as with women.It is sin against ones own body. So do not compare the twne is sin and perversion and the other sanctioned by God.They are nothing alike.There is nothing dirty about sex done within the purity of marriage.

You can't get through to people you don't accept first.

Im sorry that is just 100% nonsense.Jesus never,ever accepted sin. He loved people,but He never accepted their sin. He told them they were sinners and that He had a new life for them.

People have to choose something themselves, they have to be inspired. Not forced. And hatred in it's many subtle forms, is just a part of evil, not love.

It would be nice to think homosexuals felt welcome in this place, but I doubt it really. And that is a problem with some of the people here. It is why there are people saying they want to leave because of the negativity.

I sometimes think the ones who like to come across as if they are the best Christian, are the worst Christians.

I always find it humorous that people that scream "don't judge" turn right around and judge people.How can people make a choice if you won't share the truth because you're afraid it may offend them?!

Always be part of the whole, without picking sides. And even if someone you consider a friend attacks another, be the defender. It is more important to defend than to attack. But a righteous person doesn't understand this.

Always be on Gods side,defend the Word and pick the right side. Its more important to do what is right in Gods eyes. A righteous person understands this and they are careful of attacking other Christians because the Bible tells us not to. Mature people also understand this.

 

[Dude653]

Well the headline said Australians supported it at the polls.
Like it or not that's how democracy works