Bakery closes after Christians refuse to bake gay wedding cake!

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They don't want to support the marriage. Which is more than understandable.

God Bless Them.
 
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How is baking a cake supporting gay marriage? No one is asking them to march in the next pride parade, wear rainbows in support of LGBT, or denounce their beliefs. The Christian couple was asked to bake a wedding cake. It's as simple as that. If they didn't want to call it a wedding cake they could of called it a union cake to make themselves feel better. The Christian couple made this about gay and religious issues by refusing to bake the cake.

Now don't get me wrong I think the response from the LGBT persons involved was wrong too. The lesbian couple should of just went to court(if it was that big of a deal to them) and left it at that. There really was no need for the rude threats and protests.

I'm confused by the Christian woman. She says "I guess in my mind I thought we lived in a lot nicer of a world where everybody tolerated everybody." Now if we all tolerated one another why couldn't she bake the cake? Her husband and her became intolerable when they refused to bake the cake.

Take a look at a much larger example. Chick-fil-A's CEO announced last year that he did not support same sex marriages. Now that caused an uproar, but Chick-fil-A still serves gay people. If I'm not mistaken the forums at that time had people happy about Chick-fil-A's position. Now why can't these smaller Christian businesses follow suit and still serve whoever walks through their door?

What I learn from this is people are drama queens. Everyone wants the spotlight on them. Everyone wants to be the victim.
 
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Because it has gone from gays calming to be victims to a full scale war.

The devil dosen't fight fair. What is acceptable for that gay couple to act was unacceptable, but because they are gay they can get away with it. I for one will always push the issue that I do not support gay/gay marriage. The owner is a righteous man and obviously trusts the Lord he prays to.
 
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This scenario begs the questions: (1) As Christians, are we not hypocrites if we think we can separate our beliefs, morals, values and the way we run our business? What does scripture teach us about this principle? And (2) What does the scriptures say about our right or even duty to judge or shun 'sinners' in general? Following the logic and reasoning of the business owners, if we are privy to information about people's lifestyles (in this case by virtue of the nature of the request) do we continuously, as business owners, make these moral decisions?


I have no answers but also no quick judgements on this issue. I await the responses of more knowledgeable teachers, the wise leaders that God promised us through Jeremiah.
 
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I'ts wrong going along with that helping something against what I believe,I could never help anything like that.I'll never believe in it,support it.I'ts horrible.I't is a gay agenda straight from the devil himself.unlawful and immoral and okay in the devils empire here on earth.Which I will always be against.
 
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Refusing to serve a certain group of customers, for whatever reason, is nothing less than discimination. We saw it happen before in history with other groups. The conscience of the baker doesn't permit him to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple. However, gluttony is a sin aswell, so if this baker is so concerned about the sins of his customers maybe he shouldn't be selling cake at all. :rolleyes:

Ofcourse, the baker is entitled on his own opinion on homosexuality, we have to respect that. However, it's none of his business or his responsibility what customers do with the cake they ordered. If two people want to get married that's THEIR responsibility, not anyone else's. Ultimately only they are accountable for the choices they make: it's between them and God.
 
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That is how the law works, sounds identical to what we have in UK. Over here we have a number of other similar incidents where a business refused homosexuals. This is against the law as if you are providing goods or a service to the public then you can not discriminate based on political, gender, race, disability or sexual preference.

The cake shop was providing goods and services to the public, it refused on grounds of sexuality which is against the law. Sure you can refuse to sell something to a person, such as if they were just making a nuisance of themselves or been rude to staff, but simply for being Homosexual then no you can not.

Its not like they were asked to conduct the marriage themselves or have the lesbian wedding in the shop.
 
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santuzza said:
Here is an article about this poor Christian couple who had to close their bakery after threats from LGBT groups. It seems the owners didn't want to make some gay wedding cake.

TODD'S AMERICAN DISPATCH: Christian bakery closes after LGBT threats, protests | Fox News
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UMM Just a question,this all started in January,they started getting the phone calls and the investigation,the question would be if one is already getting harassed that badly about it why not just discontinue the product line for a time? I understand it may have been a bit of a hardship,but if they did that could they have not come out better in the long run doing so?
 
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didymos said:
Refusing to serve a certain group of customers, for whatever reason, is nothing less than discimination. We saw it happen before in history with other groups. The conscience of the baker doesn't permit him to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple. However, gluttony is a sin aswell, so if this baker is so concerned about the sins of his customers maybe he shouldn't be selling cake at all. :rolleyes:

Ofcourse, the baker is entitled on his own opinion on homosexuality, we have to respect that. However, it's none of his business or his responsibility what customers do with the cake they ordered. If two people want to get married that's THEIR responsibility, not anyone else's. Ultimately only they are accountable for the choices they make: it's between them and God.
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Well, I know where you will be standing when churches are shut down for not marrying a gay couple.
 
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Agricola said:
Its not like they were asked to conduct the marriage themselves or have the lesbian wedding in the shop.
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Aiding and abetting sin, is aiding and abetting sin. The conforming to the world begins here.
 
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Well, I know where you will be standing when churches are shut down for not marrying a gay couple.
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No you don't. Fact is I would regret it, although I doubt it will ever happen...

I'm in the Netherlands, here 'gay marriage' has been legal for over 12 years. Not a single church has been shut down as a result though. It's up to the denominations themselves if they want to 'marry' a gay couple or not, because there is such a thing as separation of church and state in place. By the way: the 'church' doesn't marry couples, the civil authority does. The 'church' only consecrates or blesses the 'already existing union.'



 
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If I remember correctly, this couple went to the bakery knowing that the owners were Christians and had refused other people before. They are just wanting to start trouble, their ultimate goal isn't the cake, their ultimate goal is to push. If a business refuses you, and you know beforehand that they probably will, then go somewhere else.
 
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If I remember correctly, this couple went to the bakery knowing that the owners were Christians and had refused other people before. They are just wanting to start trouble, their ultimate goal isn't the cake, their ultimate goal is to push. If a business refuses you, and you know beforehand that they probably will, then go somewhere else.
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Yea, and Rosa Parks was only trying to stir up trouble too. I mean, all they asked her to do was go sit somewhere else... :rolleyes:
 
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didymos said:
Yea, and Rosa Parks was only trying to stir up trouble too. I mean, all they asked her to do was go sit somewhere else... :rolleyes:
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Except the Bible condemns homosexuality; not of being from African American descent.
 
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Except the Bible condemns homosexuality; not of being from African American descent.
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In those days the Bible was used to justify racial segregation too, mind you.
Discrimination against certain groups is forbidden by law, regardless what you think or believe about such groups. The baker's own opinion in this case was irrelevant, he had no valid reasons the refuse that couple his services.

 
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The Chick-Fil-A analogy does not work because the cake was being asked for a special occasion which the bakers could not support because of their religious beliefs. Of course I can't be sure, but my guess is that the bakery would have been happy to serve these folks if they came in and just wanted to buy a few cookies.

Here's another way to understand it. I'm a professional singer. If a gay couple were to approach me and ask me to sing at their "wedding," I would refuse, citing my religious beliefs. However, if they came to me and asked me to sing at their cocktail party, I would agree -- just another gig. Because a wedding/marriage ceremony to me is sacred, I have the right to refuse based on my sacred beliefs.

Also, discrimination is not applicable here because homosexuality is a choice, where race and gender is not a choice.
 
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santuzza said:
The Chick-Fil-A analogy does not work because the cake was being asked for a special occasion which the bakers could not support because of their religious beliefs. Of course I can't be sure, but my guess is that the bakery would have been happy to serve these folks if they came in and just wanted to buy a few cookies.

Here's another way to understand it. I'm a professional singer. If a gay couple were to approach me and ask me to sing at their "wedding," I would refuse, citing my religious beliefs. However, if they came to me and asked me to sing at their cocktail party, I would agree -- just another gig. Because a wedding/marriage ceremony to me is sacred, I have the right to refuse based on my sacred beliefs.

Also, discrimination is not applicable here because homosexuality is a choice, where race and gender is not a choice.
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The baker didn't have to SUPPORT the wedding, just deliver a cake. It doesn't really matter that you are what you are by choice or not, discrimination is against the law in all cases. That's the 'law of the land' we have to abide by, regardless of what we believe. (Rom. 13)
 
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didymos, when a law is bad, it is incumbent upon us to fight it with civil disobedience. Any discrimination law that expects free people to compromise their religious beliefs is evil and must be fought. As I mentioned above, this is not a discrimination issue because folks choose to be homosexual whereas folks cannot choose their race or gender. Baking the cake would be tacit agreement to the situation. It would imply that the bakers condone the activity. Just as my singing at a gay wedding would imply that I approve of the union. It goes against my very fiber. I would rather go to jail or be martyred for my faith than participate in a gay wedding. There comes a time when one MUST stand up for one's faith.
 
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"...the state is willing to rehabilitate and reeducate Christian business owners like the Kleins." (from the article)

This is one of my favorite lines. Seriously? They need to be rehabilitated and reeducated? As though they are criminals, or sick, and stupid for standing their ground on what they believe?

This article just reinforces my belief that homosexuals do not want equal rights- they are NOT just looking to be allowed to marry whomever they choose, they are NOT looking to be treated the same as heterosexual couples.

They're out for blood.

Note: I know there are gay people out there who can at least act like decent human beings towards others without trying to shove their sexuality in other people's faces. There are homosexuals who don't hate straight people, and who don't act like jerks and then get away with it by crying "discrimination".
But the general, public attitude of gays as a group is "We can do whatever we want because we're victims, and if you don't support us, we hate you".

I feel bad for the owners of that bakery.
 
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