Boston Bombing Suspects: The Tsarnaev Brothers

[SarahM777]

Let's start here. Criticizing a poll doesn't change reality. By arguing against the poll rather than simply believing its result, you are suggesting that it is just as reasonable to believe that Israeli non-Muslim Arabs - rather than living under the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination provided by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, for the benefit of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims (where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth) - that Israeli non-Muslim Arabs would prefer to live in just another Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state.

All I said was it was not a meaningful poll because the numbers are skewed. The sample is way too small. Nothing more nothing less. I am not suggesting anything else,you are making it sound like I said something more that what I said.

 

[PeteWaldo]

All I said was it was not a meaningful poll because the numbers are skewed. The sample is way too small. Nothing more nothing less. I am not suggesting anything else,you are making it sound like I said something more that what I said.

I was pointing out that rather than engaging in fellowship, you were arguing against an irrefutable truth, to avoid substantive response to such as when you proclaimed the filthy generalization and unscriptural falsehood that all Jews that have not come to Christ hate Christ and Christians:

"Then why do you suppose you reduced yourself to lodging hollow empty accusation, rather than addressing the content of the post point by point and backing up your accusations against me?

And yes many have come to Christ,but those who have not hate both Him and us,

Are you suggesting that by viewing all Jews who haven't yet come to Christ, as a monolithic group that hate Jesus and Christians (of which I can assure you that none my Jewish friends (both secular and YHWH worshiping) do either one of which you falsely accuse), you are not doing the very same as those Jews you mentioned, who looked at you as they would a Nazi, because you are German?"

 

[SarahM777]

I was pointing out that rather than engaging in fellowship, you were arguing against an irrefutable truth, to avoid substantive response to such as when you proclaimed the filthy generalization and unscriptural falsehood that all Jews that have not come to Christ hate Christ and Christians:

UMM So are you saying that anyone that does not know Christ "loves Him"? Or are those far away from Him haters of God and in rebellion to God? (Which is where we all were before we were saved)

What? When I started trying to talk to you (knowing that we don't agree) you have accused me of lies,falsehoods and half truths. If you really want a meaningful discussion knock it off.

You have called me an anti-semite,a lover of those who horrible things, (which I have said I hate those things) and yet you continue on. It makes you come across as an accuser of the brothers and sisters and not that you yourself are not one. I am not saying you aren't a brother (at this point I can't say that you are) but it doesn't appear that way with the way you come across.

All I want is both of those to knock it off. Period. Both at times are very very wrong. I have a problem with missiles being shot into residential areas,where innocents are being killed just because. And that IS BOTH SIDES like it or not. It is the truth.

 

[PeteWaldo]

I hate it when any force is used against children. I don't care if it's Jews,Arabs,Chinese or whomever. It is always the children who get the worst.

It isn't about Arabs and Jews. It is about the 1400 year goal of Islamic conquest and peaceful Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs that simply want to be left alone in peace to continue to be productive citizens.

Wikipedia article regarding secular Arabs: "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"
[/QUOTE]

An unscientific poll with a very small small sample that is mostly useless for being a true sampling.

[/QUOTE]Scripture should help you understand the state of a Jew that hates Jesus, but you are blinded by the bigotry that springs from your theology.

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

It is your anti-Semitic bigotry that arises from Roman Church styled punitive supersessionism, that causes you to declare that all Jews are the same, whether a reprobate Hollywood movie producer, or a faithful Jews that worships our God YHWH through our Old Testament scriptures, and whose lives revolve around their temples and faith based communities whe MAY remain blinded to the Gospel through a sovereign act of God.
SPIRIT OF SLUMBER
Your post even tacitly suggests that you believe some Jew that hates Jesus, would be the same one that suddenly turns around and recognizes Jesus as his Messiah and Savior, while I doubt that is often - if ever - the case.
[/QUOTE]

What Bible are you reading? We all were haters of God at one time or another and that includes the Jews also. And sorry even the Jews must can only come to God Jesus. Jesus plainly says NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.[/QUOTE]

What if it isn't that "plainly" and you are simply using scripture to advance your bigotry, like the Roman Church does through punitive supersessionism? Who did Old Testament saints sing praises to - even without knowing it?
The one mediator between man and God? The Son of God?

Psa 95:1 O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.

And Paul goes onto to say that there is NO other name in heaven and earth that a man can be saved. So if one does NOT come through Jesus then how can one be saved,even the Jew that will not go through Jesus? Jesus even says that it will be Moses himself that will be their accuser,because Moses points to Jesus?

Well if we are saved by a name rather than a person through which the condition of our heart is transformed, then you are headed to hell, because the name "Jesus" couldn't have come along until the letter "J" came along in the 5th century. The Messiah's name is Yeshua.

Now Paul also said that God Himself blinded some Jews so their eyes couldn't see and ears couldn't hear. This was penned well after the Gospel:

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

What do you make of that? Do you suppose God blinded some Jews to prevent them from being saved?

 

[PeteWaldo]

Sorry any man or woman that does not love God and Jesus will be my enemy,because they are God's enemies.The why is because they hate Him and want nothing with Him. Any man or woman that knows God and loves Jesus and has been born again is my brother and sister otherwise they are not. Plain and simple.

No shortage of Popes have shared your sentiments. Wearing the condition of their hearts conspicuously out there on their sleeves, while proclaiming God's judgments on others. Assigning to all non-Christian Jews what they hate.
Replacement Theology or Supersessionism

You might wish to believe you don't hate Jews, but you really need to ask yourself what makes you so willing to come to the defense of the imperialistic conquest of false prophet Muhammad's cult, by writing as though Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs are equally at fault, for wanting to defend the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State offers to all Israeli citizens from Islamic aggression. A democratic state where Muslims also enjoy more freedom than they do in any Islam controlled country on earth. [/QUOTE]

Just because I think the people that were living in Israel at the time of the Balfour declaration were basically given the shaft and have had the land they were living in,were basically forced off because of a piece of paper,and which was taken from them,(stolen from them without any say by them) I thought stealing was wrong.[/QUOTE]

But as I pointed out, world history did not begin in the 20th century.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/christian_zionism.htm

It wasn't taken from them by force neither.
All because someone came up with the bright idea of coming up with a document which turned the land over to others.

Since when is a Christian called to defend someone in the wrong? I'm sorry but I have a problem with that.

Since when is a Christian supposed to rail against the right to self-defense of the Israelis (or any nation) from imperialistic aggression, and the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims who are protected by the Israeli Jewish State. To favor the imperialistic Islamic conquest of Israel and subjugation of those Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs to just another Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state. Just as people of your ilk bear responsibility for subjugating Gaza Christians to now. Your picking on the poll was nothing more than an expression of your blindness, caused in part by the Satan inspired terms "Palestine" and "Palestinian" that masks the true nature of what is going on in Israel.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html

 

[PeteWaldo]

UMM So are you saying that anyone that does not know Christ "loves Him"? Or are those far away from Him haters of God and in rebellion to God? (Which is where we all were before we were saved)

You keep thinking this is about something I am saying.

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

What? When I started trying to talk to you (knowing that we don't agree) you have accused me of lies,falsehoods and half truths. If you really want a meaningful discussion knock it off.

You have called me an anti-semite,a lover of those who horrible things, (which I have said I hate those things) and yet you continue on.

Yet you can't seem to be able to grasp, that when you proclaim God's judgment on Jews, and proclaim that all YHWH worshiping Jews hate Jesus and hate Christians, you are not doing the very same thing as some Jews that you describe as hating you as a Nazi, simply because you are German. You are proclaiming to know the condition of another person's heart.

It makes you come across as an accuser of the brothers and sisters and not that you yourself are not one. I am not saying you aren't a brother (at this point I can't say that you are) but it doesn't appear that way with the way you come across.

This even as your ilk helped to subjugate Gaza Christians to Islam, and work toward Islamic conquest of the rest.

All I want is both of those to knock it off. Period. Both at times are very very wrong. I have a problem with missiles being shot into residential areas,where innocents are being killed just because. And that IS BOTH SIDES like it or not. It is the truth.

The difference is that one side is defending the citizens of Israel, and the other side is out to conquer and subjugate them, but because of your bigotry you choose to view them as the same. Why not learn a little more about how you have been deceived by the counter-Gospel term "Palestine", before you let it pass your lips or keyboard again?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html

 

[SarahM777]

No shortage of Popes have shared your sentiments. Wearing the condition of their hearts conspicuously out there on their sleeves, while proclaiming God's judgments on others. Assigning to all non-Christian Jews what they hate.
Replacement Theology or Supersessionism

You might wish to believe you don't hate Jews, but you really need to ask yourself what makes you so willing to come to the defense of the imperialistic conquest of false prophet Muhammad's cult, by writing as though Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs are equally at fault, for wanting to defend the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State offers to all Israeli citizens from Islamic aggression. A democratic state where Muslims also enjoy more freedom than they do in any Islam controlled country on earth.

Just because I think the people that were living in Israel at the time of the Balfour declaration were basically given the shaft and have had the land they were living in,were basically forced off because of a piece of paper,and which was taken from them,(stolen from them without any say by them) I thought stealing was wrong.[/QUOTE]

But as I pointed out, world history did not begin in the 20th century.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/christian_zionism.htm


Since when is a Christian supposed to rail against the right to self-defense of the Israelis (or any nation) from imperialistic aggression, and the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims who are protected by the Israeli Jewish State. To favor the imperialistic Islamic conquest of Israel and subjugation of those Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs to just another Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state. Just as people of your ilk bear responsibility for subjugating Gaza Christians to now. Your picking on the poll was nothing more than an expression of your blindness, caused in part by the Satan inspired terms "Palestine" and "Palestinian" that masks the true nature of what is going on in Israel.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html[/QUOTE]


Wow,you truly show your heart there Pete. Cut and paste much? The same old same old,half truths,lies,innuendos and false accusations. I know who father is and you're just like him,an accuser just like he was from the beginning,a liar,and a destroyer.

Since when is a Christian suppose to turn away from innocents being bombed and killed? And when we were ever told to hate our enemy? Were we not told to turn the other cheek? Were we not told that we are to preach the gospel of Christ to them? Were we not told that we would be hated,persicuted,put on trial and maybe put to death? Were did Jesus ever say that this world would love us? Same old,same old,nothing new under the sun,that will continue till He comes back. What is so hard for you to understand you have the wrong focus. We are to preach to them,teach them and love them. Were did Jesus tell us to go kill them and exterminate them? Don't get me wrong we do have the right to protect ourselves also,but where did Jesus ever give us the go ahead and go into another country that did not attack us? And I am not saying Israel does not have a right to defend themselves,but they no more have the right to go and kill innocents any more then anyone else and they also have no right to STEAL the land then anyone else. Can you not get that through your head it was taken away from the people that were living there,by a little piece of paper. Nothing more nothing less. How would you like it if someone from China came along with a piece of paper and now said your land belongs to them? And again the problem that I have with both sides is they are using innocents as pawns. Aren't you doing the very thing you said I was doing that all the people in the Gaza are all somehow Muslim or are only some Muslim? And are all attacking Israel or is it some? And once again it is both sides. Or is Israel somehow innocent of killing innocents also? I have no problem with them going after the ones doing those things but not those who had nothing to do with it.

Somehow you don't see a problem with this

[h=1]Israel sees no criminal liability in Gaza family bombing[/h]
LA Times April 14,2013

By Edmund SandersApril 14, 2013, 11:04 a.m.


JERUSALEM - An Israeli investigation into the worst civilian tragedy of last November’s Gaza Strip offensive – an attack that killed 10 members of a single family and two neighbors – concluded that soldiers bombed the home by mistake and should not face criminal charges or other disciplinary action.
The Nov. 18 Israeli air strike was one of the most horrific and widely publicized incidents of the eight-day clash with the Gaza-based militant group Hamas. The military campaign, dubbed Operation Pillar of Defense, came after Gaza militants refused to stop firing rockets into southern Israel and Israel Defense Forces retaliated by assassinating the top Hamas military commander.
At least 168 Palestinians were killed during the conflict, including 101 civilians, a U.N. report found. Six Israelis, including four civilians, were killed by Palestinian rocket fire.



Israel sees no criminal liability in Gaza family bombing - latimes.com

All because I believe that poll is skewed. Yeesh.

 

[SarahM777]

You keep thinking this is about something I am saying.

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.



Yet you can't seem to be able to grasp[/COLOR], that when you proclaim God's judgment on Jews, and proclaim that all YHWH worshiping Jews hate Jesus and hate Christians, you are not doing the very same thing as some Jews that you describe as hating you as a Nazi, simply because you are German. You are proclaiming to know the condition of another person's heart.

What did Jesus say? Jesus said that no man comes to the Father but by Him. No exceptions. Can you not understand that. Jesus even said that if they believe Moses they would believe Jesus. It not rocket science. If any man does NOT come through Jesus then how can they know the Father? (And Jesus was speaking to the Jews) How hard is that to understand?
Was Jesus being obtuse or was He being very,very clear? How do you get around that? The Jews also need to hear the gospel and if hey believe Moses they will believe Jesus. So simple a child can understand it.

 

[zone]

Come on, my friend, he was raised in Islam. He is a Muslim, just as the rest of his family are. So he was just getting his Islamic groove on.

[video=youtube;JA6vRC1xW_c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA6vRC1xW_c[/video]

Insulting Jesus on Israeli TV - צליבת ישו - The Crucifixion of "Yeshu"

 

[zone]

hi pete. i see you're still shilling for antichrist religionists claiming they know God.
here's more help with your worldview

Come on, my friend, he was raised in ISRAEL He is a JEW, just as the rest of his family are. So he was just getting his ANTICHRIST groove on.

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window.

By Amiram Barkat | Oct.12, 2004 | 12:00 AM | 16

THIS STORY IS BY
Amiram Barkat

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper < click

cont....

 

[zone]

[video=youtube;1E7Ruusn1QM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7Ruusn1QM[/video]
Persecution Of Christians In Israel (oneforisrael.org - Fund raiser for media evangelism among Israeli-Jews)

pete keep these in your files.
just for balance okay?

 

[PeteWaldo]

Just because I think the people that were living in Israel at the time of the Balfour declaration were basically given the shaft and have had the land they were living in,were basically forced off because of a piece of paper,and which was taken from them,(stolen from them without any say by them) I thought stealing was wrong.

But as I pointed out, world history did not begin in the 20th century.
CHRISTIAN ZIONISM

Since when is a Christian supposed to rail against the right to self-defense of the Israelis (or any nation) from imperialistic aggression, and the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims who are protected by the Israeli Jewish State. To favor the imperialistic Islamic conquest of Israel and subjugation of those Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs to just another Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state. Just as people of your ilk bear responsibility for subjugating Gaza Christians to now. Your picking on the poll was nothing more than an expression of your blindness, caused in part by the Satan inspired terms "Palestine" and "Palestinian" that masks the true nature of what is going on in Israel.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html

Wow,you truly show your heart there Pete. Cut and paste much? The same old same old,half truths,lies,innuendos and false accusations. I know who father is and you're just like him,an accuser just like he was from the beginning,a liar,and a destroyer.[/QUOTE]

But to make that case you would have to demonstrate that the name "Palestine" that was coined by a satanically led 2nd century Roman ruler is correct, and the name that scripture assigns to "Israel" in the New Testament is incorrect.

Mat 2:20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life. 21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.

So who does that actually make the liar? The accused or the accuser?

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You would also have to make the case that my characterization of that allowed within an Islamic state is incorrect, which you cannot either.

Since when is a Christian suppose to turn away from innocents being bombed and killed?

You are apparently unaware - or choose to ignore - that collateral damage, and casualties resulting from mistakes, are an inherent part of war. So you continue to rail against the Israelis right to self-defense and protection of the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims.
No surprise then that you go on to suggest there is an equivalence between an accident of war, and the intentional Qussam rocket attacks against Israel, intentional acts such as the murder of that Christian bookstore keeper, and the intentional subjugation and dhimmitude of Gaza Christians to Islam, that anti-Zionists are responsible for.

And when we were ever told to hate our enemy? Were we not told to turn the other cheek? Were we not told that we are to preach the gospel of Christ to them? Were we not told that we would be hated,persicuted,put on trial and maybe put to death? Were did Jesus ever say that this world would love us? Same old,same old,nothing new under the sun,that will continue till He comes back. What is so hard for you to understand you have the wrong focus. We are to preach to them,teach them and love them.

I have several websites, youtube channels and a forum geared to help point the way to the foot of the cross out to Muhammad's sorely deluded followers.
What do you do for them besides help advance the Islamic conquest of Israel, and subjugation of Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs, by opposing Israels democracy and propagandizing Christian forums?

Were did Jesus tell us to go kill them and exterminate them? Don't get me wrong we do have the right to protect ourselves also,but where did Jesus ever give us the go ahead and go into another country that did not attack us? And I am not saying Israel does not have a right to defend themselves,but they no more have the right to go and kill innocents any more then anyone else and they also have no right to STEAL the land then anyone else. Can you not get that through your head it was taken away from the people that were living there,by a little piece of paper. Nothing more nothing less. How would you like it if someone from China came along with a piece of paper and now said your land belongs to them? And again the problem that I have with both sides is they are using innocents as pawns. Aren't you doing the very thing you said I was doing that all the people in the Gaza are all somehow Muslim or are only some Muslim? And are all attacking Israel or is it some? And once again it is both sides. Or is Israel somehow innocent of killing innocents also? I have no problem with them going after the ones doing those things but not those who had nothing to do with it.

Somehow you don't see a problem with this

Israel sees no criminal liability in Gaza family bombing

Accidents happen during war. It is a tragedy.
However Islamic conquest is intentional and not accidental.

The fact of the matter remains, that if the Muslims put down their weapons there would be no more violence, but if the Israelis put down their weapons there would be no more Israel.

[video=youtube;l4d9HPw4a_k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4d9HPw4a_k[/video]

LA Times April 14,2013

By Edmund SandersApril 14, 2013, 11:04 a.m.


JERUSALEM - An Israeli investigation into the worst civilian tragedy of last November’s Gaza Strip offensive – an attack that killed 10 members of a single family and two neighbors – concluded that soldiers bombed the home by mistake and should not face criminal charges or other disciplinary action.
The Nov. 18 Israeli air strike was one of the most horrific and widely publicized incidents of the eight-day clash with the Gaza-based militant group Hamas. The military campaign, dubbed Operation Pillar of Defense, came after Gaza militants refused to stop firing rockets into southern Israel and Israel Defense Forces retaliated by assassinating the top Hamas military commander.
At least 168 Palestinians were killed during the conflict, including 101 civilians, a U.N. report found. Six Israelis, including four civilians, were killed by Palestinian rocket fire.

Israel sees no criminal liability in Gaza family bombing - latimes.com

All because I believe that poll is skewed. Yeesh.

So you finally even admit that you DO believe the poll to be SKEWED and not just an insufficiently sized group as you expressed earlier. What this suggests is that you DO think it is more reasonable to believe that secular Arabs would prefer to live in - just another Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state - rather than the democracy of the Jewish State.

 

[PeteWaldo]

What did Jesus say? Jesus said that no man comes to the Father but by Him. No exceptions. Can you not understand that. Jesus even said that if they believe Moses they would believe Jesus. It not rocket science. If any man does NOT come through Jesus then how can they know the Father? (And Jesus was speaking to the Jews) How hard is that to understand?
Was Jesus being obtuse or was He being very,very clear? How do you get around that? The Jews also need to hear the gospel and if hey believe Moses they will believe Jesus. So simple a child can understand it.

And I suppose if the scriptures were a child's story book you could have a point. I tried to explain, in part by way of asking you why God Himself blinded some Jews to the Gospel, but you simply ignored that because you wish to remain joined with those anti-Semitic Popes, and the rest of the crew like David Duke and the KKK, Jeremiah Wright, Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, and the rest of their crew.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...god-even-if-they-dont-know-3.html#post1005304

 

[SarahM777]

And I suppose if the scriptures were a child's story book you could have a point. I tried to explain, in part by way of asking you why God Himself blinded some Jews to the Gospel, but you simply ignored that because you wish to remain joined with those anti-Semitic Popes, and the rest of the crew like David Duke and the KKK, Jeremiah Wright, Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, and the rest of their crew.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...god-even-if-they-dont-know-3.html#post1005304

You ignored my question so please explain why I should answer yours?

All you want to do is accuse,attack,slander,state half truths and lies about me. I don't know who David Duke,Arnold Murray or Jeremiah Wright is,or what the heck the serpent seed cult is. If they are hate groups I will have nothing to do with them. I am neither political nor a member of the KKK. This isn't a conversation. An accuser of the brothers just like your father.

Jesus never told us to be political,we are to preach the gospel of Christ,not get involved in a land grab or an earthly kingdom,because these things are part of this world and they will NEVER last. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE BURNED UP INCLUDING THE HEAVENS AND EARTH. The only kingdom that will ever last is the kingdom of heaven. And that is what you do not understand.

You're OK with war deaths that could have been prevented,in which those people may have died without knowing Jesus? Because you sound like "OH well stuff happens". I will never ever be OK with that. Wow oh wow.

 

[SarahM777]

And I suppose if the scriptures were a child's story book you could have a point. I tried to explain, in part by way of asking you why God Himself blinded some Jews to the Gospel, but you simply ignored that because you wish to remain joined with those anti-Semitic Popes, and the rest of the crew like David Duke and the KKK, Jeremiah Wright, Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, and the rest of their crew.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...god-even-if-they-dont-know-3.html#post1005304

On second thought I decided it needs to be answered. See it goes into the heart of the matter,by you saying they do not "need" to come via Jesus you are in essence saying Jesus LIED when He said no man can come to the Father BUT BY ME. In essence He then lied to the scribes and Pharisees. It goes to the heart of whether Jesus was telling the truth or not. Because what Jesus said is either true or it is not,there is no in between. It is not child's play it is vital that we get that right because many people's souls are at stake. Get that wrong and they will go to hell for eternity because they were NOT given the truth.

 

[PeteWaldo]

You ignored my question so please explain why I should answer yours?

I didn't ignore your question. I answered that the scriptures are not a children's book, though you wish to understand it that way through proof-texted verses.

All you want to do is accuse,attack,slander,state half truths and lies about me.

While ignoring the content of my posts for obvious reasons. Is that land Israel or Palestine?

I don't know who David Duke,Arnold Murray or Jeremiah Wright is,or what the heck the serpent seed cult is. If they are hate groups I will have nothing to do with them.

They wouldn't describe themselves as hate groups as much as anti-Zionist.

I am neither political .........

I'm sorry but when you post an accident of war while ignoring Islamic aggression, you advance the cause of the Islamic conquest, and thus are not only political but are a propagandist that illustrates the side you have chosen.

........ nor a member of the KKK. This isn't a conversation. An accuser of the brothers just like your father.

Jesus never told us to be political,we are to preach the gospel of Christ,not get involved in a land grab or an earthly kingdom,because these things are part of this world and they will NEVER last. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE BURNED UP INCLUDING THE HEAVENS AND EARTH. The only kingdom that will ever last is the kingdom of heaven. And that is what you do not understand.

Just more false accusation. Though I have grown accustomed to it in this forum, just as I believe it to have been prophesied, for the times in which we find ourselves.

You're OK with war deaths that could have been prevented, .........

Accidents are accidents. The only way it could have been "prevented" is if the Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs simply rolled over and submitted their democracy to the slavery and dhimmitude of Islamic rule. Indeed the only way more such accidents will not be a part of the future, is if the Islamic aggressors end their ambition to conquer Israel - which is just another front in the Islamic conquest of the world.
JIHAD

What did Jews or Israel have to do with the two million killed or displaced in the Sudan alone by Muslims.
Or the Christians martyred and churches burned in Nigeria:
nigeriacalabash.com

Or the 20,000 other deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11:

Islamic Terror Attacks for First Part of 2013
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Islamic Terror Attacks for 2012​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2011​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2010​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2009​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2008​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2007​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2006​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2005​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2004​

Islamic Attacks from September 11th, 2001 through 2003​

But you would rather focus on an accident of war, from Israeli self-defense, so you can continue your campaign against Jews.

....... in which those people may have died without knowing Jesus? Because you sound like "OH well stuff happens". I will never ever be OK with that. Wow oh wow.

That's right. You prefer to advance the Islamic conquest of the world.

 

[SarahM777]

I didn't ignore your question. I answered that the scriptures are not a children's book, though you wish to understand it that way through proof-texted verses.

You didn't answer the question All you did was give a glib response with no substance.

While ignoring the content of my posts for obvious reasons. Is that land Israel or Palestine?

And before it was Israel it was called Canaan.

I'm sorry but when you post an accident of war while ignoring Islamic aggression, you advance the cause of the Islamic conquest, and thus are not only political but are a propagandist that illustrates the side you have chosen.

I'm not ignoring it. I want both sides to knock it off. Both sides have guilt in this. Please get that through your head.
As far as I am concerned you can all the politicians,military,and terrorists of all kinds,put them on an island and let THEM fight it out. Leave the rest of us alone. 93 % of all wars have at the heart of it greed,lust and covetiness at their heart. Sorry it's the reality.

They wouldn't describe themselves as hate groups as much as anti-Zionist.

So their typical of those type of groups. Nothing new under the sun. I want nothing to do with.

Originally Posted by SarahM777

........ nor a member of the KKK. This isn't a conversation. An accuser of the brothers just like your father.

Jesus never told us to be political,we are to preach the gospel of Christ,not get involved in a land grab or an earthly kingdom,because these things are part of this world and they will NEVER last. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE BURNED UP INCLUDING THE HEAVENS AND EARTH. The only kingdom that will ever last is the kingdom of heaven. And that is what you do not understand.



Just more false accusation. Though I have grown accustomed to it in this forum, just as I believe it to have been prophesied.

Umm Haven't you called me anti-semtic,anti Zionist,hate monger,etc etc? If you have then it is a false witness and you have accused me of things that are not true. And the statement stands.

And you didn't answer the gist of that quote.

Originally Posted by SarahM777

You're OK with war deaths that could have been prevented, .........



Accidents are accidents. The only way it could have been "prevented" is if the Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs simply rolled over and submitted their democracy to the slavery and dhimmitude of Islamic rule. Indeed the only way more such accidents will not be a part of the future, is if the Islamic aggressors end their ambition to conquer Israel - which is just another front in the Islamic conquest of the world.
JIHAD

Like the two million killed or displaced in the Sudan alone by Muhammad's followers.
Or the Christians martyred and churches burned in Nigeria:
nigeriacalabash.com

Or the 20,000 other deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11:
Islamic Terror Attacks for First Part of 2013

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2012
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2011
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2010
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2009
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2008
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2007
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2006
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2005
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2004
Islamic Attacks from September 11th, 2001 through 2003

But you would rather focus on an accident of war, so you can continue to rail against Jews.

Sorry I am against both sides shooting rockets into innocents. What is so hard for you to understand about that.

Originally Posted by SarahM777

....... in which those people may have died without knowing Jesus? Because you sound like "OH well stuff happens". I will never ever be OK with that. Wow oh wow.



That's right. You prefer to advance the Islamic conquest of the world.

Are you really saying you want people to go to hell? Where is the love of Christ in your heart for these people? WOW.

 

[PeteWaldo]

You didn't answer the question All you did was give a glib response with no substance.

Saying I believe Old Testament saints were saved by the Son of God is a glib response?
God gave you the free will (though not the authority) to proclaim God's judgments against those that may be sovereignly blinded Jews until the cows come home. You are the one that will wind up answering for it. It's the kind of conclusions a person draws when they believe that scripture is so elementary that a child can understand it.

Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Or pointing out that God blinded some Jews to the Gospel and asking you what you make of that is a glib response?

While ignoring the content of my posts for obvious reasons. Is that land Israel or Palestine?

And before it was Israel it was called Canaan.

So you are wanting to pay tribute to the Canaanites now?
God gave them 400 years to repent of their beastiality, ritualistic prostitution and sacrifice of children to idols.
The Old Testament even references a small strip of coastal land in Israel (today Gaza) as "Palestine" where the Philistine immigrants lived. But the Philistines have been gone for thousands of years.
I am a Christian so I know there is only the ONE name that the New Testament assigns to that land and that name is Israel.
You choose the name coined by a 2nd century Roman ruler to insult Jews in efforts to erase the name Israel after he vanquished Jews. No surprise you choose his term over that in the New Testament.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html

I'm sorry but when you post an accident of war while ignoring Islamic aggression, you advance the cause of the Islamic conquest, and thus are not only political but are a propagandist that illustrates the side you have chosen.

I'm not ignoring it. I want both sides to knock it off.

But is is foolish and naive to believe you could knock off the continuation of 1400 years of Islamic conquest commanded by Muhammad, simply because you choose self imposed blindness to it. What are you doing about it besides propagandizing against the Israelis?

Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

If it weren't for your disdain for Jews, you might be able to see that only one side needs to knock it off, and that is the aggressors that are engaged in the Islamic conquest of the world. Whether in Israel, the Sudan, Nigeria, Malaysia or anywhere else we find Islam's murder, mayhem and misery. The Israelis are simply defending themselves, yet you continue to assign equal blame and responsibility. Perhaps this popular Egyptian TV Imam can help you understand what you are refusing to see:

[video=youtube;_X8dhrzQCHY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8dhrzQCHY[/video]

Both sides have guilt in this. Please get that through your head.
As far as I am concerned you can all the politicians,military,and terrorists of all kinds,put them on an island and let THEM fight it out. Leave the rest of us alone. 93 % of all wars have at the heart of it greed,lust and covetiness at their heart. Sorry it's the reality.

They wouldn't describe themselves as hate groups as much as anti-Zionist.

So their typical of those type of groups. Nothing new under the sun. I want nothing to do with.

Originally Posted by SarahM777

........ nor a member of the KKK. This isn't a conversation. An accuser of the brothers just like your father.

Jesus never told us to be political,we are to preach the gospel of Christ,not get involved in a land grab or an earthly kingdom,because these things are part of this world and they will NEVER last. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE BURNED UP INCLUDING THE HEAVENS AND EARTH. The only kingdom that will ever last is the kingdom of heaven. And that is what you do not understand.



Just more false accusation. Though I have grown accustomed to it in this forum, just as I believe it to have been prophesied.

Umm Haven't you called me anti-semtic,anti Zionist,hate monger,etc etc? If you have then it is a false witness and you have accused me of things that are not true. And the statement stands.

And you didn't answer the gist of that quote.

Originally Posted by SarahM777

You're OK with war deaths that could have been prevented, .........



Accidents are accidents. The only way it could have been "prevented" is if the Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs simply rolled over and submitted their democracy to the slavery and dhimmitude of Islamic rule. Indeed the only way more such accidents will not be a part of the future, is if the Islamic aggressors end their ambition to conquer Israel - which is just another front in the Islamic conquest of the world.
JIHAD

Like the two million killed or displaced in the Sudan alone by Muhammad's followers.
Or the Christians martyred and churches burned in Nigeria:
nigeriacalabash.com

Or the 20,000 other deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11:
Islamic Terror Attacks for First Part of 2013

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2012
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2011
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2010
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2009
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2008
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2007
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2006
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2005
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2004
Islamic Attacks from September 11th, 2001 through 2003

But you would rather focus on an accident of war, so you can continue to rail against Jews.

Sorry I am against both sides shooting rockets into innocents. What is so hard for you to understand about that.

Nothing, as I have pointed out repeatedly. If the Muslims put down their weapons there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons there would be no more Israel.

What is so hard for you to understand about that?

Originally Posted by SarahM777

....... in which those people may have died without knowing Jesus? Because you sound like "OH well stuff happens". I will never ever be OK with that. Wow oh wow.



That's right. You prefer to advance the Islamic conquest of the world.

Are you really saying you want people to go to hell? Where is the love of Christ in your heart for these people? WOW.

Complaining about sending people to hell, even as every one of your posts has only further indicated that you choose the side of the Islamic conquest of Israel, against the Israeli's right to defend themselves. That you choose the subjugation of Christians in Gaza to Muhammad's followers. That you wish to fill in the rest of this map with purple.



over 700 posts and you still haven't bothered to learn how to post?

 

[PeteWaldo]

That was supposed to finish, "over 700 posts and you still haven't bothered to learn how to quote posts?"
Can you see that progressively messes things up worse and worse for you and others?

Perhaps this is a long way around, but here's how I do it. I push the "reply with quote" button in the lower right of the post I want to quote. Then I copy the tag that is in the upper left corner of the page and paste it after the last lower right tag on the page. Then I copy that pair of tags, and paste it anywhere I want to break a post, and type in between them.

 

[SarahM777]

That was supposed to finish, "over 700 posts and you still haven't bothered to learn how to quote posts?"
Can you see that progressively messes things up worse and worse for you and others?

Perhaps this is a long way around, but here's how I do it. I push the "reply with quote" button in the lower right of the post I want to quote. Then I copy the tag that is in the upper left corner of the page and paste it after the last lower right tag on the page. Then I copy that pair of tags, and paste it anywhere I want to break a post, and type in between them.

Just because I have not figured out how to do it yet doesn't mean I haven't tried. Yes it is the best I can do at the moment. I am not very computer savy. I am also a three finger typist for your information. I have learned how to quote the first part,just haven't quite learned how to do multiple quotes within the thread.