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I showed you how God sorts them out. That is all that matters. Children of the promise and children of the flesh. The children of the flesh whose side you have taken are just as prophesied:

The enemy has made it impossible for you to see Jews as other than as a monolithic group that can all be assigned the same traits, and all be assigned the responsibility for things, as a uniform group.

Pete.
get your chocolate milk and a pencil and take some notes:

Romans 9:8
In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

now let's go look at your list, and find the children of the promise, and see if it matches that antisemitic self-hating Paul's writing.

 

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There are also black Jews from Africa that have been restored to Israel. Do you see how your raging bigotry has destroyed your capacity for critical thought?
The enemy has made it impossible for you to see Jews as other than as a monolithic group that can all be assigned the same traits, and all be assigned the responsibility for things, as a uniform group.

Please stop with the nonsense Pete. Do you remember what the Lord told them before they entered the promised land?
Did God tell them to marry foreigners or did God give them the reasons why they were not to? Did God command them to remain ETHNICALLY pure or not as part of the conditions for remaining in the land? Yes or No? Again is the PROMISE of the land based on ethnic,religion,or spiritually? Answer that question and you have your answer. This does go to the heart of the matter.

Originally Posted by PeteWaldo

The fact is that all kinds of Jews have been restored to Israel. There are atheist and agnostic Jews, there are faithfulTorah Jews with a circumcision of the heart who worship my God YHWH through my Old Testament scriptures, and there are pharisical talmudic Jews who have deceived themselves into believing they are faithful while making the word of God of none effect just as they have since the first century. Your insistence on putting all Jews into one monolithic group and falsely assigning uniform traits to all Jews as a whole makes you EXACTLY LIKE what your false perception of Jews is. You have deceived yourself into believing that a Christian can pass judgment on all Israeli Jews as one group, and that is why you find yourself fruiting the same tree as Nazis and skinheads who do the exact same thing.



See how you proved it again? Are ALL Israeli Jews responsible for whatever it is you are talking about? You are a raging racist bigot who now blames all Israeli Jews for a stamp?
Yet the children of the flesh that you support - in their destruction of the Israeli democracy that protects Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims - must necessarily reject Jesus' crucifixion and thus His shed blood, and deny the Son of God as articles of faith in the false prophet Muhammad, because they are articles of their faith.

See how you proved your bigotry again? If THEY who? The agnostic Jews, the Torah Jews or the pharisical Jews? You are a racist bigot. All Israeli Jews cannot be described as having the same traits or beliefs or heart condition.

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The question is who are the ones within their government that is approving of this stuff,and if the people of Israel know that they are doing it why are they NOT speaking about it and having them removed from the government if they do disagree with it? I never they said they ALL had the same traits,the real question has always been and will be who is their government following? Is their government based on the Torah or the Talmud? If their leaders are basing the government on the Talmud,which IS against Jesus then why are we backing an ANTICHRIST government?

Originally Posted by PeteWaldo

Recognizing God restored His people to their land for the sake of His holy name is not the side of darkness as should be painfully obvious to you when you look at the list of folks that you are in partnership with.


I have allied myself WITH GOD, who restored His people to their land for the sake of His holy name.
I have allied myself with great men of God who recognized that Jews would be restored to their land through prophecy, from centuries before that restoration ever began to take place.

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Pete,have you taken a look at the list of the players on the other side? Have you looked at the history of Scofield,
Balfour,et al? Can you be so sure that this is an act of God or is it an act of man? Are we so blind to not look at the history of how this all came about? If this is NOT of God then which side are we really on? I am becoming far more convinced by people like you that this is not. See the thing is Pete we have been told for years that Israel must come back to the land and that Israel MUST be returned to the land so they can rebuild the temple again and reinstate the sacrifices. WHERE DOES JESUS SAY THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER STONE TEMPLE BUILT? Do you not see that the building of another is building an IDOL? Jesus told us what the true Temple is,the disciples got it. This is what Jesus said

John 2

[SUP]13 [/SUP]When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. [SUP]14 [/SUP]In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. [SUP]15 [/SUP]So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [SUP]16 [/SUP]To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” [SUP]17 [/SUP]His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”[SUP][c][/SUP]
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” [SUP]21 [/SUP]But the temple he had spoken of was his body.[SUP]22 [/SUP]After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name.[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]24 [/SUP]But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. [SUP]25 [/SUP]He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.


Jesus also said this

John 4

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

Now for the $64,000 question,is helping them set up a system to rebuild the temple so people would have to worship on THIS MOUNTAIN,a direct slap in God's face when Jesus said we would no longer do so,but we would worship in spirit and in truth?

God will reveal Himself as He will to the Jews. He is God and I am not. He ways are true and I can take that to the bank. If they believe Moses they will believe Jesus. They will see Jesus in the Torah because the Torah points to Jesus.

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There are also black Jews from Africa that have been restored to Israel.

you mean a GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION SAVES?

Hosea 11:1
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Matthew 2:15
where he [JESUS] stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

There are also black Jews from Africa that have been restored to Israel.

do you know when this happened Pete?


Acts 2
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”

Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:

17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18 even on my male servantsc and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
19 And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

22“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25For David says concerning him,

“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’

29“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God raised up, and of that we [JEWS] all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,

“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.’

36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

The Fellowship of the Believers
42And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awed came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.



hey Pete - did Jewish Israelite Hebrew Jewish Peter say the Jewish Jews at Jerusalem had received THE PROMISE to the Hebrew Jewish Israelite people?

This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.
Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God,
and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit,
he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

hey Pete - what did Peter say to the jews FROM EVERY NATION UNDER HEAVEN dwelling at Jerusalem?
go back HOME and wait 2000 years for a BLOODBATH to take place here, then come back and get your LAND PROMISE - forget about JESUS you don't need Him?

let's see:

37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”


38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

 

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There are also black Jews from Africa that have been restored to Israel. Do you see how your raging bigotry has destroyed your capacity for critical thought?

The enemy has made it impossible for you to see Jews as other than as a monolithic group that can all be assigned the same traits, and all be assigned the responsibility for things, as a uniform group.

The fact is that all kinds of Jews have been restored to Israel. There are atheist and agnostic Jews, there are faithful Torah Jews with a circumcision of the heart who worship my God YHWH through my Old Testament scriptures, and there are pharisical talmudic Jews who have deceived themselves into believing they are faithful while making the word of God of none effect just as they have since the first century. Your insistence on putting all Jews into one monolithic group and falsely assigning uniform traits to all Jews as a whole makes you EXACTLY LIKE what your false perception of Jews is. You have deceived yourself into believing that a Christian can pass judgment on all Israeli Jews as one group, and that is why you find yourself fruiting the same tree as Nazis and skinheads who do the exact same thing.

"Nazis and skinheads"

The fact is that all kinds of Jews have been restored to Israel. There are atheist and agnostic Jews, there are faithful Torah Jews with a circumcision of the heart who worship my God YHWH through my Old Testament scriptures,

John 5
39You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. 41I do not receive glory from people. 42But I know that you do not have the love of God within you. 43I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope.

46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me.

47But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”

 

[SarahM777]

and didn't ya know ABRAM came from IRAQ, dood?

oh yucky...IRAQ? colored people?

or is it your assertion ABRAM came from here:

which would make him of the ayran variety.
handy.

but.....LET'S SEE IF YA SWING BOTH WAYS PETE:



whoa...whoa...whoa.

say what?

let's take another look at your rant:

Zone,

In case Pete needs help with a map of where Abraham came from

Genesis 11

[SUP]27 [/SUP]This is the account of Terah’s family line.


Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran. And Haran became the father of Lot. [SUP]28 [/SUP]While his father Terah was still alive, Haran died in Ur of the Chaldeans, in the land of his birth.[SUP]29 [/SUP]Abram and Nahor both married. The name of Abram’s wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor’s wife was Milkah; she was the daughter of Haran, the father of both Milkah and Iskah. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Now Sarai was childless because she was not able to conceive.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan. But when they came to Harran, they settled there.

Zone,

Question for you, (I think I see something I never saw before) If the Chaldeans were also know as Babylonians doesn't that make Abraham of Babylonian descent? (Just an observation)

 

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The fact is that all kinds of Jews have been restored to Israel. There are atheist and agnostic Jews, there are faithful Torah Jews with a circumcision of the heart who worship my God YHWH through my Old Testament scriptures [NOT POSSIBLE - YOU MAKE JESUS HIMSELF OUT TO BE A LIAR], and there are pharisical talmudic Jews who have deceived themselves into believing they are faithful while making the word of God of none effect just as they have since the first century. Your insistence on putting all Jews into one monolithic group and falsely assigning uniform traits to all Jews as a whole.....

Acts 13
Paul and Barnabas at Antioch in Pisidia
13Now Paul and his companions set sail from Paphos and came to Perga in Pamphylia. And John left them and returned to Jerusalem, 14but they went on from Perga and came to Antioch in Pisidia. And on the Sabbath day they went into the synagogue and sat down. 15After the reading from the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent a message to them, saying, “Brothers, if you have any word of encouragement for the people, say it.” 16So Paul stood up, and motioning with his hand said:

“Men of Israel and you who fear God, listen. 17The God of this people Israel chose our fathers and made the people great during their stay in the land of Egypt, and with uplifted arm he led them out of it. 18And for about forty years he put up withb them in the wilderness. 19And after destroying seven nations in the land of Canaan, he gave them their land as an inheritance. 20All this took about 450 years. And after that he gave them judges until Samuel the prophet. 21Then they asked for a king, and God gave them Saul the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. 22And when he had removed him, he raised up David to be their king, of whom he testified and said, ‘I have found in David the son of Jesse a man after my heart, who will do all my will.’ 23Of this man’s offspring God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised. 24Before his coming, John had proclaimed a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. 25And as John was finishing his course, he said, ‘What do you suppose that I am? I am not he. No, but behold, after me one is coming, the sandals of whose feet I am not worthy to untie.’

26“Brothers, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to us has been sent the message of this salvation. 27For those who live in Jerusalem and their rulers, because they did not recognize him nor understand the utterances of the prophets, which are read every Sabbath, fulfilled them by condemning him. 28And though they found in him no guilt worthy of death, they asked Pilate to have him executed. 29And when they had carried out all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb. 30But God raised him from the dead, 31and for many days he appeared to those who had come up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses to the people. 32And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers, 33this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second Psalm,

“‘You are my Son,
today I have begotten you.’

34And as for the fact that he raised him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, he has spoken in this way,

“‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David.’

35Therefore he says also in another psalm,

“‘You will not let your Holy One see corruption.’

36For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation, fell asleep and was laid with his fathers and saw corruption, 37but he whom God raised up did not see corruption. 38Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, 39and by him everyone who believes is freedc from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses. 40Beware, therefore, lest what is said in the Prophets should come about:

41 “‘Look, you scoffers,
be astounded and perish;
for I am doing a work in your days,
a work that you will not believe, even if one tells it to you.’”

42As they went out, the people begged that these things might be told them the next Sabbath. 43And after the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who, as they spoke with them, urged them to continue in the grace of God.

44The next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began to contradict what was spoken by Paul, reviling him. 46And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. 47For so the Lord has commanded us, saying,

“‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles,
that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’”

48And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed. 49And the word of the Lord was spreading throughout the whole region. 50But the Jews incited the devout women of high standing and the leading men of the city, stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and drove them out of their district. 51But they shook off the dust from their feet against them and went to Iconium. 52And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.




HEY PETE - are children who thrust aside Jesus children of THE PROMISE?
ask Jewish Paul.

 

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I showed you how God sorts them out. That is all that matters. Children of the promise and children of the flesh.


The fact is that all kinds of Jews have been restored to Israel. There are atheist and agnostic Jews, there are faithful Torah Jews with a circumcision of the heart who worship my God YHWH through my Old Testament scriptures, and there are pharisical talmudic Jews who have deceived themselves into believing they are faithful while making the word of God of none effect just as they have since the first century.

which of these people are the children of the flesh and which are the children of the promise?


atheist jews
agnostic jews
Torah Jews
pharisical talmudic Jews



please give an answer according to Jesus of Nazareth.

choose any of His Jewish Apostles as well.

use the Bible to give your answer.

do not refer to Xtian Zionist shills like Joseph Farah.



hang on....what's Paul doing?

he's ALL OVER THE MAP ON THIS ONE.

didn't he have Old Testament Wineskin Jews preserved in their own Olive Tree as a Witness (since The New Covenant would have made them EXPLODE)?

Romans 9
1With Christ as my witness, I speak with utter truthfulness. My conscience and the Holy Spirit confirm it. 2My heart is filled with bitter sorrow and unending grief 3for my people, my Jewish brothers and sisters.a I would be willing to be forever cursed—cut off from Christ!—if that would save them. 4They are the people of Israel, chosen to be God’s adopted children.b God revealed his glory to them. He made covenants with them and gave them his law. He gave them the privilege of worshiping him and receiving his wonderful promises. 5Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.c

6Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God’s people! 7Being descendants of Abraham doesn’t make them truly Abraham’s children. For the Scriptures say, “Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted,” though Abraham had other children, too.



wait....is Paul trying to make a point that PRETENDERS can not understand?


Galatians 3:29
And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God's promise to Abraham belongs to you.





hmmm.....maybe we should take another look at ESAU.
apparently he's out also, Pete.

Pete...are you of Esau?

let's see what "Israel" says...since you say we need to throw down our OLD DOGMA and lap up Ellis' Skolfield's DOCTRINAL UPDATE.

the NEW soteriology God revealed to him (and you).

it has to do with an Islamic Temple in Jerusalem.
and killing for Jesus (not really...killing for the Old testament Wineskins)

 

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MISHNAH. THE MANNER IN WHICH BURNING IS EXECUTED IS AS FOLLOWS: HE WHO HAD BEEN THUS CONDEMNED WAS LOWERED INTO DUNG UP TO HIS ARMPITS, THEN A HARD CLOTH WAS PLACED WITHIN A SOFT ONE,7 WOUND ROUND HIS NECK, AND THE TWO LOOSE ENDS PULLED IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS, FORCING HIM TO OPEN HIS MOUTH. A WICK WAS THEN LIT, AND THROWN INTO HIS MOUTH, SO THAT IT DESCENDED INTO HIS BODY AND BURNT HIS BOWELS. R. JUDAH SAID: SHOULD HE HOWEVER HAVE DIED AT THEIR HANDS [BEING STRANGLED BY THE BANDAGE BEFORE THE WICK WAS THROWN INTO HIS MOUTH, OR BEFORE IT COULD ACT], HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN EXECUTED BY FIRE AS PRESCRIBED. HENCE IT WAS DONE THUS: HIS MOUTH WAS FORCED OPEN WITH PINCERS AGAINST HIS WISH, THE WICK LIT AND THROWN INTO HIS MOUTH, SO THAT IT DESCENDED INTO HIS BODY AND BURNT HIS BOWELS. R. ELEAZAR B. ZADOK SAID: IT ONCE HAPPENED THAT A PRIEST'S DAUGHTER COMMITTED ADULTERY, WHEREUPON BUNDLES OF FAGGOTS WERE PLACED ROUND ABOUT HER AND SHE WAS BURNT. THE SAGES REPLIED, THAT WAS BECAUSE THE BETH DIN AT THAT TIME WAS NOT WELL LEARNED IN LAW.


GEMARA. What is meant by a WICK? — R. Mathna said: A lead bar.8


...whilst as for [the implication of the verse], Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, this can be fulfilled by piling up an abundance of faggots to cause a speedy death. Hence the teaching of the gezerah shawah.

Babylonian Talmud: Sanhedrin 52 < click

Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin
Folio 52a

...

see?

Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself just means getting the job done quicker.

barbarism is love.

Pete.....is this what you want Christians to support?

document the mandate from Scripture.

do not delay.

 

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Pete...from your list of children of the promise/flesh, whom you say God is sorting out:

which of these people are the children of the flesh and which are the children of the promise?

atheist jews
agnostic jews
Torah Jews
pharisical talmudic Jews

how come i don't see Christians on that list?

Plan B?

"Christian Era" Wild Olive Tree Witnesses?

......


here's your claim...i suppose you're trying to bend your Geller spoon and create that Other Olive Tree Witness here, out of UNBELIEVERS:

The fact is that all kinds of Jews have been restored to Israel. There are atheist and agnostic Jews, there are faithful Torah Jews with a circumcision of the heart who worship my God YHWH through my Old Testament scriptures, and there are pharisical talmudic Jews who have deceived themselves into believing they are faithful while making the word of God of none effect just as they have since the first century.

by your own definition, here's your only possiblity of anyone being "circumcised in the heart while rejecting Christ:

Karaite Judaism or Karaism (pron.: /ˈkærə.aɪt/ or /ˈkærə.ɪzəm/; Hebrew: יהדות קראית , Modern Yahadut Qara'it Tiberian Qārāʾîm ; meaning "Readers of the Hebrew Scriptures")[1] is a Jewish movement characterized by the recognition of the Tanakh alone as its supreme legal authority in Halakha (Jewish religious law) and theology. It is distinct from mainstream Rabbinic Judaism, which considers the Oral Torah, the legal decisions of the Sanhedrin as codified in the Talmud, and subsequent works to be authoritative interpretations of the Torah. Karaites maintain that all of the divine commandments handed down to Moses by God were recorded in the written Torah, without additional Oral Law or explanation. As a result, Karaite Jews do not accept as binding the written collections of the oral tradition in the Mishnah or Talmud.

Karaite Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

Halakhic status as Jews
A person whose mother was a Karaite Jew is regarded as halakhically Jewish by the Orthodox Rabbinate. Likewise, someone who is patrilineally Jewish (someone whose father is Jewish) is regarded as a Jew by the Mo‘eṣet HaḤakhamim, or the Karaite Council of Wise Men. Although it is widely accepted that Karaite Jews are halakhically Jewish, there is still a question as to whether or not marriage between the Karaite and Rabbanite communities is permitted. Two Sephardi chief rabbis, Eliahu Bakshi-Doron[46] and Ovadia Yosef[47] encouraged such marriages, hoping it would help Karaites to assimilate into Orthodox Judaism. Maimonides decreed that Jews raised in a Karaite household are considered to be tinoq shenishbah, like babies taken captive by non-Jews; they cannot be punished for their wayward behavior, because it is the result of their parents' influence.[48] Rabbi David Ḥayim Chelouche, the chief rabbi of Netanya is quoted in the Jerusalem Post as saying: "A Karaite is a Jew. We accept them as Jews and every one of them who wishes to come back [to mainstream Judaism] we accept back. There was once a question about whether Karaites needed to undergo a token circumcision in order to switch to rabbinic Judaism, but the rabbinate agrees that today that is not necessary."[49]


Origins
Arguments among Jewish sects regarding the validity of the Oral Law can be dated back to the 1st and 2nd centuries BCE. Accordingly, some scholars trace the origin of Karaism to those who rejected the Talmudic tradition as an innovation.

Abraham Geiger posited a connection between the Karaites as a remnant of the Sadducees, the 1st-century Jewish sect that followed the Hebrew Bible literally and rejected the Pharisees' notion of an Oral Torah even before it was written. Geiger's view is based on comparison between Karaite and Sadducee halakhah: for example, there is a minority in Karaite Judaism who, like the Sadducees, do not believe in a final resurrection or after-life.[9]

The British theologian John Gill (1767) noted,

"In the times of John Hyrcanus, and Alexander Janneus his son, sprung up the sect: of the Karaites, in opposition to the Pharisees, who had introduced traditions, and set up the oral law, which these men rejected. In the times of the said princes lived Simeon ben Shetach, and Judah ben Tabbai, who flourished A. M. 3621, these two separated, the latter from the former, because he could not embrace his inventions which he formed out of his own brain; and from him the Karaites sprung, who were first called the society or congregation of Judah ben Tabbai, which was afterwards changed into the name of Karaites."[10]

Gill also traces the Karaite sect to the split between the schools of Hillel the Elder and Shammai in 30 BCE.[11]

However, Bernard Revel, in his dissertation on "Karaite Halakhah," rejects many of Geiger's proofs.[12] Revel also points to the many correlations between Karaite halakha and theology and the interpretations Philo of Alexandria, the 1st-century philosopher and Jewish scholar, as well as the writings of a 10th-century Karaite who brings down the writings of Philo, showing that the Karaites made use of Philo's writings in the development of their movement. Although later Medieval Karaite commentators did not view Philo in a favorable light. These attitudes show a friction between later Karaite theology and possible connections to Philo's philosophy which could serve as either a rejection of their origins, rejecting theological positions no longer accepted, or that Philo's philosophy was not entirely utilized in its founding (although some influences remain possible).

Others suggest that the major impetus for the formation of Karaism was a reaction to the rise of Islam,[13] which recognized Judaism as a fellow monotheistic faith, but claimed that it detracted from this monotheism by deferring to rabbinical authority.

Some claim that Karaism is the original form of Judaism and rabbinic Judaism branched off from it.[14]

Karaite Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click



okay.

now what does JESUS say to us all through Paul?

2 Corinthians 3
Ministers of the New Covenant
1Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? 2You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on oura hearts, to be known and read by all. 3And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.b

4Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, 6who has made us competentc to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

12Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when oned turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17Now the Lorde is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,f are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.



Pete....does 2 Corinthians 3 align with your assertion that there is a SAVING veil over the hearts of Israelites (Old Testament Wineskin Jews) who you claim "worship my God YHWH through my Old Testament scriptures"?

just yes or no.

what did JESUS say?

Luke 12:8
"I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God.



what kind of TOXIC COCKTAIL are you guys brewing, Pete?
do you know how serious this is?
you have EVERYTHING riding on it....and you're DEAD WRONG.

 

[zone]

HEY....how come the Romans mistook Paul for an Egyptian?

Acts 21
37As Paul was about to be brought into the barracks, he said to the tribune, “May I say something to you?” And he said, “Do you know Greek? 38 Are you not the Egyptian, then, who recently stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness?” 39 Paul replied, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no obscure city.

 

[zone]

sorry sarah.....i flooded your posts to pete.

i can't stand this mixing Christ with Ba'al.

bump your posts sarah...i'm done (for now)...sorry.

 

[SarahM777]

sorry sarah.....i flooded your posts to pete.

i can't stand this mixing Christ with Ba'al.

bump your posts sarah...i'm done (for now)...sorry.

I understand just about reached that point myself.

Thank you for taking the time and being here and helping.

 

[zone]

Zone,

In case Pete needs help with a map of where Abraham came from

Genesis 11

[SUP]27 [/SUP]This is the account of Terah’s family line.


Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran. And Haran became the father of Lot. [SUP]28 [/SUP]While his father Terah was still alive, Haran died in Ur of the Chaldeans, in the land of his birth.[SUP]29 [/SUP]Abram and Nahor both married. The name of Abram’s wife was Sarai, and the name of Nahor’s wife was Milkah; she was the daughter of Haran, the father of both Milkah and Iskah. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Now Sarai was childless because she was not able to conceive.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan. But when they came to Harran, they settled there.

Zone,

Question for you, (I think I see something I never saw before) If the Chaldeans were also know as Babylonians doesn't that make Abraham of Babylonian descent? (Just an observation)

sure
so what happens when someone from Iraq marries an egyptian (Hagar)?
do you get a Arab?
what about if his wife conceives miraculously by Abram?
do you get a Caucasian > from Khazaria?

'parently.

 

[SarahM777]

sure
so what happens when someone from Iraq marries an egyptian (Hagar)?
do you get a Arab?
what about if his wife conceives miraculously by Abram?
do you get a Caucasian > from Khazaria?

'parently.

Darn,if that's the case,that means I must have flunked my genetics class.

 

[zone]

Darn,if that's the case,that means I must have flunked my genetics class.

the whole silly point is, jes' bout everybody is a gentile.



Russian archaeologists find long-lost Jewish capital

(AFP) – Sep 3, 2008

MOSCOW (AFP) — Russian archaeologists said Wednesday they had found the long-lost capital of the Khazar kingdom in southern Russia, a breakthrough for research on the ancient Jewish state.

"This is a hugely important discovery," expedition organiser Dmitry Vasilyev told AFP by telephone from Astrakhan State University after returning from excavations near the village of Samosdelka, just north of the Caspian Sea.

"We can now shed light on one of the most intriguing mysteries of that period -- how the Khazars actually lived. We know very little about the Khazars -- about their traditions, their funerary rites, their culture," he said.

The city was the capital of the Khazars, a semi-nomadic Turkic peoples who adopted Judaism as a state religion, from between the 8th and the 10th centuries, when it was captured and sacked by the rulers of ancient Russia.

At its height, the Khazar state and its tributaries controlled much of what is now southern Russia, western Kazakhstan, eastern Ukraine, Azerbaijan and large parts of Russia's North Caucasus region.

The capital is referred to as Itil in Arab chronicles but Vasilyev said the word may actually have been used to refer to the Volga River on which the city was founded or to the surrounding river delta region.

Itil was said to be a multi-ethnic place with houses of worship and judges for Christians, Jews, Muslims and pagans. Its remains have until now never been identified and were said to have been washed away by the Caspian Sea.

Archaeologists have been excavating in the area if Samosdelka for the past nine years but have only now collected enough material evidence to back their thesis, including the remains of an ancient brick fortress, he added.

"Within the fortress, we have found huts similar to yurts, which are characteristics of Khazar cities.... The fortress had a triangular shape and was made with bricks. It's another argument that this was no ordinary city."

Around 10 university archaeologists and some 50 students took part in excavations in the region this summer, which are partly financed by the Jewish University in Moscow and the Russian Jewish Congress.

AFP: Russian archaeologists find long-lost Jewish capital < click


dunno why it's this huge mystery....all the eastern people knew. from the beginning.

dunno why we have to play this silly game.

GENTILES ARE ACCEPTED (including gentile jews/judaism)
why not take the offer?

.....

Medieval Sourcebook:*
Judah Ha-Levi:*
The Kuzari, part I.
This is the first part of a philosophical treatise written by the Spanish Jewish philosopher and poet, Judah Ha-Levi (ca 1075-1141), also known as The Book of Argument and Proof in Defense of the Despised Faith (Kitab al Khazari). It is written in the form of a dialogue, purportedly between the king of the Khazars and the representatives of various belief systems, culminating with a rabbi. This was a literary device based on a real occurance, the conversion to Judaism of *the Khazars at the end of the eighth century. In reality, the conversion of the king of the Khazars was motivated by pragmatic politics, in particular, the situation of *the Khazar kingdom, sandwiched between the Byzantine and Umayyad empires. Judah, however portrays the conversion of the king in more spiritual terms, and uses him as a foil for his defence of Judaism.

Internet History Sourcebooks Project < click

k.....so jewish scholars can talk about it but:

The Wind of the Khazars by Marek Halter.
By Cecilia Rothschild

The Wind of the Khazars

by Marek Halter

"Even anti-Semitic internet Web sites have joined the debate to allege that Ashkenazi Jews are solely descendant from the Khazars and therefore not entitled to claim Israel as their historic homeland."

All About Jewish Theatre - The Wind of the Khazars by Marek Halter. < click


The Wind of the Khazars by Marek Halter.
By Cecilia Rothschild


oopsie

 

[zone]

 

[zone]

In this case the "THEY" would be all the people that are directly responsible for production of whatever it is that you are talking about (a postage stamp apparently). Period.

[video=youtube;udBM22ZhxBI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBM22ZhxBI[/video]

Published on Oct 9, 2012
John Hagee Praying For War Against Iran

1:10 Hagee; Benny Hinn pray for God to lead US into war against Iran.

in the Name of Jesus, no less.

PUKE

apostate

 

[PeteWaldo]

Originally Posted by PeteWaldo

Of course not. Abraham had Ishmael with Sarah's handmaiden Hagar - an Egyptian and Isaac with his wife Sarah. Abraham disowned Ishmael, leaving the only son that God recognized being Isaac.

Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

By the rules of this chat forum I am unable to comment on this.

We're familiar with the drill Drett (and I'm amused but not surprised that Zone posted a "like" for your implied blasphemy against the Word of God).

Perhaps you desired to parrot Muhammad's followers claims that the bible is "corrupted", which Muhammad's followers must of course believe, because Muhammad's followers are compelled to believe the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel - indeed the whole bible.
THE LAMB SLAIN

But the historical record found in scripture (that is evermore confirmed by archaeology to be a reliable record of ancient history), tells us that Abraham threw Sarah's handmaiden Hagar and her son Ishmael out of his house, at his wife Sarah's request because Ishmael mocked Isaac. The only promise given to Ishmael's seed is that they would become numerous, and they did become numerous according to the Old Testament. Besides the verses from the New Testament that I already posted that confirmed that Hagar's seed are the children of the flesh, here is the detail that those verses make reference to regarding the seed of Ishmael being cut out of any covenant with God.

(KJV) Genesis 21:1 And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken. 2 For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. 3 And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac. 4 And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him. 5 And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him. 6 And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me. 7 And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham, that Sarah should have given children suck? for I have born him a son in his old age. 8 And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned. 9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. 10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac. 11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son. 12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Yet instead you believe Islamic so-called "tradition" that is pure fiction - that was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th cenuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century AD - that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history. Even revealed as the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel. Yet in spite of this you continue to prostrate yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day. But it doesn't have to be that way my friend. You don't have to believe Muhammad's followers lies.
GEOGRAPHY OF MECCA - ISLAM

1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

 

[zone]

We're familiar with the drill Drett (and I'm amused but not surprised that Zone posted a "like" for your implied blasphemy against the Word of God).

i clicked like because he is showing restraint and being polite.
he's a nice guy.

does that offend you?
of course it does.

haters gon hate.

Perhaps you desired to parrot Muhammad's followers claims that the bible is "corrupted"

thing is, everytime YOU misrepresent Jesus, somebody gotta take ya to task.
i'm willing.

Pete: here's the Authoritative Jewish Holy Book, on MOSES:


R. Simlai expounded: Why did Moses our teacher yearn to enter the land of Israel? Did he want to eat of its fruits or satisfy himself from its bounty? But thus spake Moses, 'Many precepts were commanded to Israel which can only be fulfilled in the land of Israel. I wish to enter the land so that they may all be fulfilled by me'. The Holy One, blessed be He, said to him, 'Is it only to receive the reward [for obeying the commandments] that thou seekest?

I ascribe it to thee as if thou didst perform them'; as it is said: Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he poured out his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bare the sins of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.13 'Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great' — it is possible [to think that his portion will be] with the [great of] later generations and not former generations; therefore there is a text to declare, 'And he shall divide with the strong', i.e., with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who were strong in Torah and the commandments.

'Because he poured out his soul unto death' — because he surrendered himself to die, as it is said: And if not, blot me, I pray thee etc.14 'And was numbered with the transgressors' — because he was numbered with them who were condemned to die in the wilderness. 'Yet he bare the sins of many' — because he secured atonement for the making of the Golden Calf.

'And made intercession for the transgressors' — because he begged for mercy on behalf of the sinners in Israel that they should turn in penitence; and the word pegi'ah ['intercession'] means nothing else than prayer, as it is said: Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to Me.15

Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sotah
Folio 14a

Babylonian Talmud: Sotah 14 < click


Pete - who are those passages speaking of?
did they corrupt the word of Moses?
did they lie about Moses?
did they believe Moses?


John 5
45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”

see, pete, you're enabling the self-destruction of the jews, because they are terrorized by the Rabbis:

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

We're familiar with the drill Drett (and I'm amused but not surprised that Zone posted a "like" for your implied blasphemy against the Word of God).

no, you are the guilty party.

drett is a muslim. in a false religion. but you give him no truth at all.
you think he is stupid, dont you pete.
you think he cant see the injustice and hypocricy of xtian zionists.

i say he can. and he is right about that part.

but it is you who is supposedly a christian.
yet you want christians and muslims to bow to people who blaspheme daily.


they said Jesus is being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Gittin 57a


pete:

does God laugh and feel embarrassed because the rabbis defeat Him in understanding halachah....

Hence they did not fall, in honour of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright, in honour of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined. Again he said to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!' Whereupon a Heavenly Voice cried out: 'Why do ye dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!' But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: 'It is not in heaven.'4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline.5

R. Nathan met Elijah6 and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour? — He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, 'My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.'
Baba Mezi'a 59b

Babylonian Talmud: Baba Mezi'a 59 - click

 

[Drett]

We're familiar with the drill Drett (and I'm amused but not surprised that Zone posted a "like" for your implied blasphemy against the Word of God).

I am sorry is it blasphemous to follow the rules of the chat ? You racially attack Ishmael and all Arabs. I cannot respond and you are the one that is not happy ? lol