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Dude653

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Heh... And the great Obama said that ratcheting up the national debt was anti-patriotic.

They also say they're anti-fascist -- while they try to use the SCOTUS to become our constitution.

Even if the federal government tries this, there'll be civil disobedience, probably from multiple states.
The economy was actually in pretty good shape under obama. It was George Bush who spent eight trillion dollars invading Iraq for no reason
 
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The economy was actually in pretty good shape under obama. It was George Bush who spent eight trillion dollars invading Iraq for no reason
He had a reason. It just wasn't relevant to the 9-11 terror attack. Revenge, and oil. Not for us, but for others in a political deal. And raiding the antiquities was a bonus.

Iraq at that time was under sanctions through efforts by the U.S.. These sanctions, as always, don't impact the leadership of a country but the citizens of that country.

When the U.S put boots in the ground in Iraq under Bush, Saddam was in the midst of constructing his 7th palace.

Meanwhile, hospitalized children in Iraq were contracting HIV. Because sanctions insured fresh medical supplies would be in deficit. Making reusing hypodermic needles necessary and deadly.
 

Mae88

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Don't forget that Joe, the so-called president, was illegal, to begin with.
 
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The economy was actually in pretty good shape under obama. It was George Bush who spent eight trillion dollars invading Iraq for no reason
The debt rose dramatically under Obama, doubling in his eight years the entire national debt.

That $8 trillion was spent through the totality of the wars' lengths, not all under Bush's 2 terms. Still, that's a healthy chunk of change. Even so, Bush's tax cuts brought in tons of cash to the feds. Aside from war expenditures, the money was largely wasted, as usual, and not put towards the debt.

As for Bush's motives to attack Iraqi, everyone seems to have their own opinions of this. Oh he did it for oil (of which we've actually received very little... it mostly went to our military there).. he did for revenge... my take on this is that he felt he could start a democratic domino effect in the Middle East. That was erroneous thinking (20/20 hindsight), but at the time, I understood and supported it. Also, Saddam kept flagrantly violating the UN's mandates, and we had 5 other countries, three of them not friendly to the US, confirm that he had WMD programs in the works.

Obama was a socialist-progressive, hostile to Biblically-minded Christians and the State of Israel. Progressives are fascists. Bush was none of these.

I'm not under the belief that Bush was a great president. But, the country was certainly managed better than under Obama. Although, that is a low bar.
 

Dude653

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That might actually be a good idea. What happens if the supreme Court decides the second amendment is no longer relevant?
 

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That might actually be a good idea. What happens if the supreme Court decides the second amendment is no longer relevant?
If they decide the constitution is no longer relevant it sounds like the US is no longer a country.
 

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The economy was actually in pretty good shape under obama. It was George Bush who spent eight trillion dollars invading Iraq for no reason
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KEY FINDINGS
  1. The cumulative 2009–19 budget deficits are set to end up at $8.93 trillion—$4.6 trillion higher than projected for the same time period when Obama took office.
  2. The economy grew more slowly over this decade than was projected in 2009. Yet far from deepening the budget deficits, the slower economic recovery and technical changes saved $400 billion over the decade relative to the January 2009 baseline, as lower tax revenues were offset by lower interest payments on the national debt, the result of recession-dampened interest rates.
  3. New legislation cost $5.0 trillion over the 2009–19 period. However, $4.1 trillion of this “cost” came from basic extensions of expiring taxes including the Bush-era tax cuts. Economic stimulus added $2.0 trillion in spending, and discretionary spending caps and mandatory sequestrations saved $800 billion.
  4. The Affordable Care Act reduced the 2009–19 budget deficit by $275 billion, as its tax increases and Medicare cuts exceeded the cost of new health benefits. But the health law has made balancing the long-term budget more difficult by using most of the tax increases and Medicare cuts to finance a new entitlement rather than deficit reduction.
  5. Virtually all net spending increases during the Obama administration were enacted during 2009–10, when Democrats controlled Congress. During the following six years, with a Republican House and eventual Republican Senate, $889 billion in net spending cuts were enacted, excluding legislation that simply extended expiring policies.
  6. Obama leaves behind a budget with higher entitlement spending, lower discretionary spending, and (temporarily) lower net interest costs than originally projected. The ballooning national debt leaves taxpayers liable for exorbitant debt service costs when interest rates return to normal levels."
https://www.manhattan-institute.org...erview-spending-taxes-and-deficits-10669.html

This does not include the many people who lost their jobs due to Obamma Care.
 

TheLearner

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The debt rose dramatically under Obama, doubling in his eight years the entire national debt.

That $8 trillion was spent through the totality of the wars' lengths, not all under Bush's 2 terms. Still, that's a healthy chunk of change. Even so, Bush's tax cuts brought in tons of cash to the feds. Aside from war expenditures, the money was largely wasted, as usual, and not put towards the debt.

As for Bush's motives to attack Iraqi, everyone seems to have their own opinions of this. Oh he did it for oil (of which we've actually received very little... it mostly went to our military there).. he did for revenge... my take on this is that he felt he could start a democratic domino effect in the Middle East. That was erroneous thinking (20/20 hindsight), but at the time, I understood and supported it. Also, Saddam kept flagrantly violating the UN's mandates, and we had 5 other countries, three of them not friendly to the US, confirm that he had WMD programs in the works.

Obama was a socialist-progressive, hostile to Biblically-minded Christians and the State of Israel. Progressives are fascists. Bush was none of these.

I'm not under the belief that Bush was a great president. But, the country was certainly managed better than under Obama. Although, that is a low bar.
https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/sites/default/files/R-BR-0917.pdf
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Democrats Voted for Iraq War
Former Democratic presidential candidates John Kerry and Hillary Clinton both voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq.


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Ellis Burruss attempts again to push the myth that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney alone favored the 2003 invasion of Iraq—and ignored the urgings not to do so by peace-loving Democrats (“We Should Not Get Over the Bush-Cheney War,” Letters, Oct. 12). Once again, Democrats need to be reminded that former Democratic presidential candidates John Kerry and Hillary Clinton both voted to authorize the invasion.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-voted-for-iraq-war-1540485940
 

Dude653

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If they decide the constitution is no longer relevant it sounds like the US is no longer a country.
That's probably why it's not a good idea to let nine judges make these types of decisions.
 

ZNP

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That's probably why it's not a good idea to let nine judges make these types of decisions.
Agreed, the Roe v. Wade decision 50 years ago ranks as one of the five worst decisions made by the Supreme court.
 

Dude653

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Agreed, the Roe v. Wade decision 50 years ago ranks as one of the five worst decisions made by the Supreme court.
Or maybe appointed positions shouldn't even be a thing in the first place?
 

ZNP

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Or maybe appointed positions shouldn't even be a thing in the first place?
Seriously? Look at how they are trying to intimidate these judges. It is out in the open because they are appointed for life. If not for that the arm twisting would be in back rooms.
 

Dude653

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Seriously? Look at how they are trying to intimidate these judges. It is out in the open because they are appointed for life. If not for that the arm twisting would be in back rooms.
Maybe all judges should be elected and not appointed
 
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Gojira

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If they decide the constitution is no longer relevant it sounds like the US is no longer a country.
That would be pushed back on so much. The hard Left wants the SCOTUS to BE the constitution. That is something we must not let happen. Not ever.
 
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Gojira

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https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/sites/default/files/R-BR-0917.pdf
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Democrats Voted for Iraq War
Former Democratic presidential candidates John Kerry and Hillary Clinton both voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq.


Oct. 25, 2018 12:45 pm ET

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Ellis Burruss attempts again to push the myth that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney alone favored the 2003 invasion of Iraq—and ignored the urgings not to do so by peace-loving Democrats (“We Should Not Get Over the Bush-Cheney War,” Letters, Oct. 12). Once again, Democrats need to be reminded that former Democratic presidential candidates John Kerry and Hillary Clinton both voted to authorize the invasion.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-voted-for-iraq-war-1540485940
We all believed, Dems and Repubs alike, that he had WMD programs. Russia, China, France, Germany, England and Israel -- if I have my facts straight and my memory is correct -- all corroborated this. So, we felt that after 9/11, we could no longer sit by and let a threat fester. These Islamo-fascists were serious, so we had better be too.
 

ZNP

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We all believed, Dems and Repubs alike, that he had WMD programs. Russia, China, France, Germany, England and Israel -- if I have my facts straight and my memory is correct -- all corroborated this. So, we felt that after 9/11, we could no longer sit by and let a threat fester. These Islamo-fascists were serious, so we had better be too.
Not all
 

Dude653

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That would be pushed back on so much. The hard Left wants the SCOTUS to BE the constitution. That is something we must not let happen. Not ever.
They already are and I feel like that's entirely too much authority to nine judges
 
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No, that's true. I meant that in a general sense. "Many" would be more accurate, but it included Left and Right alike.