Christians should be supportive of President Trump especially in America

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Locoponydirtman

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That's vital not to put spin on the Bible. As I wrote earlier, I believe U.S. President Donald Trump won the election by divine approval because he is an experienced CEO, who has experience with business at the international level, corporations, and has successfully managed large financial assets.

Also, I believe it is significant that two trumpeter swans appeared at the dock of a cabin on a lake I was renting, just as Ted Cruz dropped out of the campaign, which, as a Christian with the gift of prophetic word, I saw as a divine sign which swayed my vote, and also seems to represent the President and First Lady, who, along with the current administration are well qualified to represent America, with God's inspirational guidance, and I would vote for him again, as long as international relations remain stable and moving forward in peace.
Bird signs huh?
I guess I didn't need any shamanic types of signs. I'm not much into mysticism anyway, so those things don't move me.
I just paid attention and knew what was happening. I knew Trump would be president from the moment I saw him in the debates. I just had a little laugh about it and watched the game knowing the ending.
 

HeraldtheNews

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Bird signs huh?
I guess I didn't need any shamanic types of signs. I'm not much into mysticism anyway, so those things don't move me.
I just paid attention and knew what was happening. I knew Trump would be president from the moment I saw him in the debates. I just had a little laugh about it and watched the game knowing the ending.
Knowing the ending?
 

Locoponydirtman

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Ok well I guess ending wasn't the best word. I guess how it would play out, that Trump would be president, and that he would be meet with ridiculous opposition, and accusations through out his presidency.
 

cobalt1959

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No, Paul is talking about governing authorities over-all, not just leaders in the Church. The Greek word huperecho can be interpreted in different ways. The KJV's interpretation of the word is not the best choice given the context of the passage. Paul always obeyed the secular laws of Rome as well as using them to his own advantage. So much so that he gave up his own life as a result of them. He could have fled to another part of the world at any point and not let himself be imprisoned and ultimately executed, but he did not. That is your Biblical prototype. To say Paul isn't talking about governing authorities here would only be done because of an ulterior motive.

We are to obey the governing bodies and leaders that God places over us. There is no credible debate otherwise either logically or Biblically. The only case that we would not be expected to obey them is when those bodies and leaders advocate something God condemns. This is why, no matter how much certain people claim differently, a Christian cannot support or vote for people who support abortion, homosexuality, redistribution of wealth, pornography, etc. Any candidate that supports something sinful is not a candidate that a true Christian can vote for, or obey.
 

cobalt1959

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funny...…...bit of a stretch in there...….but funny...….need to separate believers from unbelievers there......how many examples are in Scripture about how each will fare?

BTW you do know that the wages of sin is death, right? God's gonna "lop off" a bunch of heads one day when that day comes...…

Still.....funny
True, but none of us, none, are supposed to act like we can't wait for it to happen. Your attitude smacks of that. What all of us are supposed to be doing, tirelessly, and endlessly, is try to help as many of those, right now, to NOT get their heads lopped off by preaching them the Gospel and praying that they accept it. Your post above sounds like you separate yourself as one of the chosen ones and you can't wait for the un-chosen ones to fry. Sounds like the attitude a predestination believer would have . . .
 

HeraldtheNews

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"you are greatly mistaken," Jesus said, "I have come into the world to save life, not destroy it." (paraphrase from unknown verse)
 

HeraldtheNews

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I didn't mean anyone, just quoting what the Lord said to James and John. I also meant myself. The Bible is about life.
 

cobalt1959

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I didn't mean anyone, just quoting what the Lord said to James and John. I also meant myself. The Bible is about life.
Your last three posts are dropped in with no context or frame of reference. The Bible is about life, reconciled to God through Jesus Christ.

One of Trump's campaign promises in 2015 was that he would de-fund Planned Parenthood as soon as he was in office. We are 3/4's of the way through 2019, and, as far as I can tell, Trump hasn't de-funded PP. He also promised to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Not cut it back, repeal it. He hasn't done that either. Since Trump has been pro-abortion, virtually his entire life until he decided to run for president, I can't buy that he really wants to end abortion. He certainly has not done anything in three years to make me think he will end it any time soon. Add in his gigantic moral failings when it comes to women, i.e. the recently deceased Jeffery Epstein, you have a candidate that no one who claims to be a Christian should be supporting.
 

jaybird88

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Not sure I could ever support trump for the same reason I do not support criminals or anyone involved in wicked schemes

never did an honest days work

inherited his fortune and tells everyone he is “self made”

never made his taxes public like every other president and something anyone holding a public office should do.

told everyone he supported his own campaign while at the same time advertised for everyone to support his campaign. And his “self” support came from loans given to himself and the loans can be paid back with campaign funds.

He pretty much brought down the USFL all on his own just in an attempt to find a back door loophole into getting a NFL franchise.

Casino owner, do I really need to explain.

Trump university, real estate scam that targeted poor people. He actually had time share salesman hired as instructors.

And as far as being a great business man / CEO I would say he has made some really bad business decisions. Starting a mortgage company in late 2006 after the market was already collapsing, his casinos lose money (how do you lose money with casinos??) and maybe not a terrible failure but a more funny one was “trump steaks” that were sold at sharper image (?) of all places. without the family money trump would have been out of business long time ago.
 

jaybird88

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i would say very few kings / rulers are set up by the Most High mostly because the majority of them all have been very bad.

Hosea 8:4
They made kings, but not through me. They set up princes, but I knew it not. With their silver and gold they made idols for their own destruction.

we know that these kings were not made through the Most High.
 

oldethennew

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Explain how verse 3 and 4 isnt speaking to government rulers? The whole context of the passage is about government.

Question. Is there ever a point when you must obey God and not the law? At what point would that be?
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it would be and alludes to the point in time of Stephen, just for one example, etc. =
do you even have any concept of scripture concerning God's 'elect & chosen'???
 

Roughsoul1991

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Your last three posts are dropped in with no context or frame of reference. The Bible is about life, reconciled to God through Jesus Christ.

One of Trump's campaign promises in 2015 was that he would de-fund Planned Parenthood as soon as he was in office. We are 3/4's of the way through 2019, and, as far as I can tell, Trump hasn't de-funded PP. He also promised to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Not cut it back, repeal it. He hasn't done that either. Since Trump has been pro-abortion, virtually his entire life until he decided to run for president, I can't buy that he really wants to end abortion. He certainly has not done anything in three years to make me think he will end it any time soon. Add in his gigantic moral failings when it comes to women, i.e. the recently deceased Jeffery Epstein, you have a candidate that no one who claims to be a Christian should be supporting.
Trump Administration Blocks Funds for Planned Parenthood and Others Over Abortion Referrals
The new rule would steer federal family planning funds under Title X to anti-abortion and faith based groups.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/health/trump-defunds-planned-parenthood.html

Trump signs executive order defunding International Planned Parenthood

By Bradford Richardson - The Washington Times
Tuesday, January 24, 2017
President Trump signed an executive order on Monday barring federal funds from organizations that promote abortion around the world, including the International Planned Parenthood Federation, in what activists say is the president’s first major pro-life action while in office.

President Donald Trump is on track to become the most pro-life president ever. That’s the assessment of the leader of one national pro-life organization who is pleased with what the new president has done already and just one year.

https://www.lifenews.com/2018/02/08...ck-to-become-the-most-pro-life-president-ever

I would have to disagree about your prolife assessment. Either you haven't researched it, stayed informed or something else but this is a really easy one to research as Trump truly has done more pro life acts than any other President.

Granted they should of never said repeal but I think that was due to ignorance. Because to totally repeal it without slowly killing it off would of been terrible for those who was on it and a terrible PR move as the media would of covered all the sad families. Hopefully it will be completely weaned off of soon and it will kill kill itself which was the best move. Most places dont even accept anymore.

Was there a proven recent moral failure with woman?

Many people was found to have known Jeffrey but the only one with the most evidence was Bill Clinton and even with that evidence they still didn't have anything to put Bill Clinton with the same crimes as Jeffrey. So to say otherwise is lying until someone is proven guilty.

Was Trump my first pick. Nope. But I support him as President. But I also support most of his policies. His words and actions not always but thankfully his policies are actually really good. And those policies are leading the country back into a country that protects religious freedom, the unborn, American jobs, American trade, border security, and much more.

Right now he was the best for the job, the Samson we needed, the flawed attributes of David but the brave warrior, and the Moses willing to stand against the Pharaohs of the Liberal elite and deep state government officials willing to start a coup in order to gain the Presidency. America has sinned in great capacity for atleast a century or more. We once was going in the right direction but then we slowly degraded into secularism and materialism.

Now you best be thankful for any candidate willing to support what Trump has chosen to support because otherwise it is a quick run road direction to socialism, communism, authoritarianism and the atheistic ideology those bring.

We best be thankful God raised up someone despite our sins as a nation and church. And we best repent and pray that what I believe is the pivotal point in American history that we do in fact return slowly to God as a Nation rather than run further away. Otherwise we are looking at economic failure, war either civil war or more foreign wars, mass death, loss of liberties and human rights.
 

Roughsoul1991

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it would be and alludes to the point in time of Stephen, just for one example, etc. =
do you even have any concept of scripture concerning God's 'elect & chosen'???
Cool but what does God's elect or chosen have anything to do with it? By the way I believe in free will, God chose all but the elected are those foreseen in the book of life who God predestined to have eternal life knowing the end results. But free will in present time never ceases.

So if your trying to turn that into a debate I'm not looking to debate that subject but I am willing to hear how does it connect to your thoughts about the current subject in the OP.
 

tanakh

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I just heard that Trump is to sign a defence pact with Israel. I don't know if there is any time limit but if it turns out to be seven years
will his fans on site still support him?
 

oldethennew

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well here is just another example,

Daniel refused to bow-down and 'worship' the 'golden idol'
even though it was a proclaimed 'law' by the 'ruler' of Babylon...
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Could be because I didn't understand your response.
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well here is just another example,

Daniel refused to bow-down and 'worship' the 'golden idol' -
even though it was a proclaimed 'law' by the 'ruler' of Babylon...

if one is a 'true-Christian', God Almighty is always our True Ruler in every situation...
 

Roughsoul1991

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well here is just another example,

Daniel refused to bow-down and 'worship' the 'golden idol'
even though it was a proclaimed 'law' by the 'ruler' of Babylon...
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well here is just another example,

Daniel refused to bow-down and 'worship' the 'golden idol' -
even though it was a proclaimed 'law' by the 'ruler' of Babylon...

if one is a 'true-Christian', God Almighty is always our True Ruler in every situation...
I agree