Christians should be supportive of President Trump especially in America

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cobalt1959

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Obama and European leaders made an agreement with Iran. Trump scuppered it. Question is was that really because Iran was secretly
producing more fuel or because it was Obama who set up the agreement ?. Remember Iraq and Saddams weapons of mass destruction
which no one's found to this day. The UK got into that mess which left Iraq devastated and the population on its knees. No doubt there were plenty of people at the time relishing the defeat of Saddam.
Obama coddled Iran because he was, and still is a die-hard Muslim.

As for Saddam's WMD's, perhaps you haven't kept up with them. It has always been clear where they went. They went to Syria where Assad used them against his own people. I don't understand why this is so difficult for people when these things are simple to find if you just engage in a little research.
 

tanakh

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Obama coddled Iran because he was, and still is a die-hard Muslim.

As for Saddam's WMD's, perhaps you haven't kept up with them. It has always been clear where they went. They went to Syria where Assad used them against his own people. I don't understand why this is so difficult for people when these things are simple to find if you just engage in a little research.
An interesting response. So Obama is a die hard Muslim. Please tell me whether he is a Sunni Muslim or a Shiite Muslim. In case you don't know Sunni and Shiite Muslims hate each other. Iran is a Shiite country so a Sunni supporting Iran would have been rather strange especially when Sunni Saudi Arabia and Iran are at loggerheads with each other. Also that's why Saudi Arabia is bombing the Shiite Houties in Yemen with weapons supplied by the US and UK Then there are the US bases in Saudi Arabia which are still there even under Trump. It seems that Trump can still tolerate Muslims when Oil supplies are at stake so his righteous rage only extends so far.

So its always been clear where the WMDs went. As far as I know it has only been clear to those who write sensational prophecy books.
That is the same crowd who made a pile predicting Saddam rebuilding Babylon and being the Antichrist. Even Islamic State or any of the factions fighting in Syria seem to know where they are or they would have made use of them by now. Its certain that Iran or Hezbollah would give anything to lay hands on them so it seems you have more knowledge about them than they have.
 

tanakh

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correction to my post second paragraph

should have read - factions fighting in Syria seem not to know where they are..........

This five minute limit really is irritating
 

cobalt1959

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You're very severe in your sectarianism, and there are those who are just as severe in the opposite direction. I support neither sect, both of which disobey the Lord with their pride and earthly priorities.
You don't have to look far back in history to see the fruits of this sort of thing, which has happened quite recently in Ireland with Catholics being murdered by extreme Protestants and the IRA murdering Protestants . Anyone who is tempted to use this difference in Christian Faith to become inflamed should therefore turn away from it.
You could quote historic examples of bigotry , cruelty and murder against Catholics by Protestants too, but that is to perpetuate wrongdoing by constantly carping about long past events and trying to re live them. These events were in any case usually driven by kings and dynasties using the badge of Catholicism or Protestantism as excuses for war or power grabs.

You say that the Catholics don't practise true Christianity and perhaps they would say the same of you. My guess is that you've both got some of it wrong but I know that only God has the answers and that our best hope of learning is through prayer and love of our neighbours.

The word tolerance is bandied about a lot these days, usually by intolerant people, but I think this is a case where true tolerance is called for, together with some humility.
Nothing sectarian about it. Those with a flawed theology always try and make it look like the other side has some personal vendetta. Guilty as charged. I have a personal vendetta. I hate false doctrine. In all of it's forms, whether they pose as Catholic, or Protestant.

No one stuck in a false doctrine can ever come out and admit they might be in a trap until they somehow break free of that trap. But the Catholic doctrine has been causing death, persecution, pain and misery for much longer than any other existing denomination. Here is just a handful of their whacked doctrines:

Pope claiming a throne that belongs only to Jesus: Wrong.

Purgatory: Wrong.

Mary, sinless, mediator between sinner and Jesus: Wrong.

Peter was the first "Pope." Wrong.

Indulgences. Wrong.

A severely-flawed view of the Gospel led the Catholic church to murder and persecute 1000's of people for 100's of years. Something no Catholic Fan Boy can ever defend, or will even discuss. Sorry I gored your Sacred Cow.
 

cobalt1959

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An interesting response. So Obama is a die hard Muslim. Please tell me whether he is a Sunni Muslim or a Shiite Muslim. In case you don't know Sunni and Shiite Muslims hate each other. Iran is a Shiite country so a Sunni supporting Iran would have been rather strange especially when Sunni Saudi Arabia and Iran are at loggerheads with each other. Also that's why Saudi Arabia is bombing the Shiite Houties in Yemen with weapons supplied by the US and UK Then there are the US bases in Saudi Arabia which are still there even under Trump. It seems that Trump can still tolerate Muslims when Oil supplies are at stake so his righteous rage only extends so far.

So its always been clear where the WMDs went. As far as I know it has only been clear to those who write sensational prophecy books.
That is the same crowd who made a pile predicting Saddam rebuilding Babylon and being the Antichrist. Even Islamic State or any of the factions fighting in Syria seem to know where they are or they would have made use of them by now. Its certain that Iran or Hezbollah would give anything to lay hands on them so it seems you have more knowledge about them than they have.
Like there are only 2 sects of Islam. Nice try, but you don't even get a version of the home game for your efforts.

I notice that no matter what, you always safeguard the Liberal view of things. Something that no Christian devoted to Jesus should ever do.
 

cobalt1959

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You're very severe in your sectarianism, and there are those who are just as severe in the opposite direction. I support neither sect, both of which disobey the Lord with their pride and earthly priorities.
You don't have to look far back in history to see the fruits of this sort of thing, which has happened quite recently in Ireland with Catholics being murdered by extreme Protestants and the IRA murdering Protestants . Anyone who is tempted to use this difference in Christian Faith to become inflamed should therefore turn away from it.
You could quote historic examples of bigotry , cruelty and murder against Catholics by Protestants too, but that is to perpetuate wrongdoing by constantly carping about long past events and trying to re live them. These events were in any case usually driven by kings and dynasties using the badge of Catholicism or Protestantism as excuses for war or power grabs.

You say that the Catholics don't practise true Christianity and perhaps they would say the same of you. My guess is that you've both got some of it wrong but I know that only God has the answers and that our best hope of learning is through prayer and love of our neighbours.

The word tolerance is bandied about a lot these days, usually by intolerant people, but I think this is a case where true tolerance is called for, together with some humility.
Spoken like a true Catholic who has absolutely no idea how badly they have been mislead by their dishonest overlords.

No one stuck in a false doctrine can ever come out and admit they might be in a trap until they somehow break free of that trap.

Pope claiming a throne that belongs only to Jesus: Wrong.

Purgatory: Wrong.

Mary, sinless, mediator between sinner and Jesus: Wrong.

Peter was the first "Pope." Wrong.

Indulgences. Wrong.

A severely-flawed view of the Gospel led the Catholic church to murder and persecute 1000's of people for 100's of years
Obama and European leaders made an agreement with Iran. Trump scuppered it. Question is was that really because Iran was secretly
producing more fuel or because it was Obama who set up the agreement ?. Remember Iraq and Saddams weapons of mass destruction
which no one's found to this day. The UK got into that mess which left Iraq devastated and the population on its knees. No doubt there were plenty of people at the time relishing the defeat of Saddam.
Obama's plan was to pay Iran not to develop a nuclear weapon. That's like saying you will pay a mugger not to rob you. The ultimate in stupidity. I guess you think it's best to just cave in the face of an odious bully.

It is hilarious that you continually paint the UK as this manipulated puppet that has no free choice of it's own to make. That must make it a pretty weak and useless world power. Of course they have not been a major world power since World War II, so I guess your point is well-taken.

I said it back when Bush v2.0 went into Iraq and I say it again now with history to back me up. Removing Saddam was a horrible mistake. The second Gulf War left the country destabilized so that any faction could come in when we left to fill the vacuum. What you don't know about world policy is a lot.
 

tanakh

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Like there are only 2 sects of Islam. Nice try, but you don't even get a version of the home game for your efforts.

I notice that no matter what, you always safeguard the Liberal view of things. Something that no Christian devoted to Jesus should ever do.
I am fully aware that there are more than two sects in Islam but most of the worlds Muslim population are either Sunni or Shiite. The
Sunni branch being the majority. I didn't intend to write a book about Islam here.

I don't need to be a political or religious bigot to be devoted to Jesus most wars have been caused by people who were.
 

Melach

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i agree. because atleast trump is defending christians worldwide. unlike mr whereareyouevenborn?

i like trump he is a real man he doesnt hold his tongue constantly and play the political talk that is common here where i live. its just everyone talking fake with that fake politically correct language.

i remember one incident while ago. there was one our politician who was talking and he didnt notice his microphone was still on, and he leaned over to his friend's ear and said "who gives a *blank* about any of this" so clearly that shows us what they really believe.
 

tanakh

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Spoken like a true Catholic who has absolutely no idea how badly they have been mislead by their dishonest overlords.

No one stuck in a false doctrine can ever come out and admit they might be in a trap until they somehow break free of that trap.

Pope claiming a throne that belongs only to Jesus: Wrong.

Purgatory: Wrong.

Mary, sinless, mediator between sinner and Jesus: Wrong.

Peter was the first "Pope." Wrong.

Indulgences. Wrong.

A severely-flawed view of the Gospel led the Catholic church to murder and persecute 1000's of people for 100's of years


Obama's plan was to pay Iran not to develop a nuclear weapon. That's like saying you will pay a mugger not to rob you. The ultimate in stupidity. I guess you think it's best to just cave in the face of an odious bully.

It is hilarious that you continually paint the UK as this manipulated puppet that has no free choice of it's own to make. That must make it a pretty weak and useless world power. Of course they have not been a major world power since World War II, so I guess your point is well-taken.

I said it back when Bush v2.0 went into Iraq and I say it again now with history to back me up. Removing Saddam was a horrible mistake. The second Gulf War left the country destabilized so that any faction could come in when we left to fill the vacuum. What you don't know about world policy is a lot.
Having read this response again I decided to set the record straight for anyone else who reads it. I have never portrayed my country as a manipulated puppet. The UK went into Iraq because Tony Blair our prime Minister at the time was convinced that Saddam Hussain had WMDs and Parliament voted to get involved there. The left in this country including his own Party still regard him as
a political leper because of it and the outcome of that decision. We also happen to belong to NATO and are the head of the Commonwealth. Being a world power does not entirely depend on how many weapons you own.
 

cobalt1959

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I am fully aware that there are more than two sects in Islam but most of the worlds Muslim population are either Sunni or Shiite. The
Sunni branch being the majority. I didn't intend to write a book about Islam here.

I don't need to be a political or religious bigot to be devoted to Jesus most wars have been caused by people who were.
Define "religious bigot." Everyone who is a Christian should be bigoted against Islam, and any other false religion, including those that label themselves Christian but are not. That is another one of those areas that is not optional for a Christian.

If you mean that lots of wars have been started by people devoted to Jesus you would be totally wrong as well as badly confused. Anyone that says they are killing people for Jesus is not a Christian. Just because someone claims to be a Christian does not mean they actually are. Not everyone who uses Jesus' name for some kind of sham and lip service for religious mileage is actually devoted to Him. We are not to take someone solely at their word when they claim to be a Christian. We are supposed to examine their fruit to see if their actions match what they are telling us. Jesus Himself told us to do that. The RCC killed thousands in the Crusades. I realize quite well that the Crusades were a reaction to Islam's incursions into the known world, but the RCC portraited it as re-taking the Holy Land for God. If God had wanted the Holy Land taken back, he didn't need mankind's help to do it, in any way, and the RCC killed plenty of Jews and actual Christians while they were killing Muslims during the Crusades. The same way their killings were indiscriminate during the Inquisition. No Christian Church is supposed to kill people. At all. There is no credible debate otherwise.