Disapointed In Trump SOTU
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I could literally ask you the same question! Just about every post you make I want to hit "like" because I'm in complete agreement with you. I mean no offense, it's just extremely rare to find in people my parents age. lol If I didn't know any better, I'd swear you and your beautiful wife put me up for adoption... jk!! 
I never said the children are the criminals, but their parents are. And aren't we rewarding the parents (criminals) for bad behavior by allowing children a pathway? Also, it's not just for the children, this is being extended to the criminals (the parents) as well as the children... Unless I'm missing something and this ISN'T true?
I would be angry... but not at a country for ENFORCING their laws. I'd be upset at my parents for not coming to a country LEGALLY. That they didn't wait in line like the rest of the legal immigrants. Most every 1st world country deports illegals... why should the US be below that level of respect for the law? Please answer me this.
I'm for there being a path for the children... the BACK of the line. God gives us consequences for abusing our free will and for exercising it in righteousness. If God didn't give us consequences for our misconduct, could we really argue He was a LOVING and JUST God/parent? A parent who doesn't discipline their child is not loving or "compassionate" if there aren't any consequences for their misbehaving children. The "compassion" you speak of, is allowing them to enter the country LEGALLY (at the back of the line). They shouldn't get a head start over people who are waiting in line simply because their parents broke the law. Your compassion is totally backwards thinking...
You have this wrong as well... God doesn't bless us FOR sinning, He blesses us IN SPITE of our sinning IF we repent. In order to repent, a wrong has to be made right... 1.) admission of guilt 2.) restitution (undo a wrong... in this case, go to the back of the line and apply for citizenship legally).
This would be compassion for children living in the US illegally because of their parents breaking the law:
1.) Deport the parents and child.
2.) Forbid the parents from ever entering the US for breaking the law (currently that is the way it's set up anyways).
3.) Allow the children to apply for citizenship in their legal country at the back of the line.
4.) Deny children from entering the country unless and until their parents are deported... Proof/verification being mandatory.
Justice and compassion is served in these 4 steps/requirements.
I would be angry... but not at a country for ENFORCING their laws. I'd be upset at my parents for not coming to a country LEGALLY. That they didn't wait in line like the rest of the legal immigrants. Most every 1st world country deports illegals... why should the US be below that level of respect for the law? Please answer me this.
I'm for there being a path for the children... the BACK of the line. God gives us consequences for abusing our free will and for exercising it in righteousness. If God didn't give us consequences for our misconduct, could we really argue He was a LOVING and JUST God/parent? A parent who doesn't discipline their child is not loving or "compassionate" if there aren't any consequences for their misbehaving children. The "compassion" you speak of, is allowing them to enter the country LEGALLY (at the back of the line). They shouldn't get a head start over people who are waiting in line simply because their parents broke the law. Your compassion is totally backwards thinking...
You have this wrong as well... God doesn't bless us FOR sinning, He blesses us IN SPITE of our sinning IF we repent. In order to repent, a wrong has to be made right... 1.) admission of guilt 2.) restitution (undo a wrong... in this case, go to the back of the line and apply for citizenship legally).
This would be compassion for children living in the US illegally because of their parents breaking the law:
1.) Deport the parents and child.
2.) Forbid the parents from ever entering the US for breaking the law (currently that is the way it's set up anyways).
3.) Allow the children to apply for citizenship in their legal country at the back of the line.
4.) Deny children from entering the country unless and until their parents are deported... Proof/verification being mandatory.
Justice and compassion is served in these 4 steps/requirements.
West Virginia Democrat: It Was Wrong of Democrats to
Sit for Trump’s SOTU Speech
Sit for Trump’s SOTU Speech
Posted at 11:30 am on January 31, 2018 by Brandon Morse
The only Democrat with seemingly any sense at President Trump’s State of the Union address was West Virginia’s Sen. Joe Manchin. As many Americans saw last night, Democrats sat stone-faced and silent for most of Trump’s speech, even when they really shouldn’t have.
Some great examples being the fight against MS-13 with two victimized families sitting just above them, and the other was the low black unemployment numbers which the Congressional Black Caucus didn’t seem to be all that moved by.
According to the Washington Examiner, this embarrassed Manchin, who himself got up to applaud Republicans, but would check himself due to his party not moving a muscle. Manchin said that he never liked it when Republicans were so obstinate during Obama’s reign, and he certainly doesn’t like seeing that look on his own party.
“I was very, very upset when I saw the Republicans never, ever stood up with Barack Obama, and there was things I didn’t agree about President Obama in his speech,” he said. “But I was taught in West Virginia there’s a little bit of respect, and you should show that. And I did that then, and I did it last night.” “I think the Democrats were wrong in not showing respect,” Manchin said. “That’s just me.”
Indeed, there were moments in the State of the Union that Democrats should have absolutely stood for, but did not.
It was not a look that played well on camera, and gave off the impression that Democrats didn’t just hate Trump, but held a contempt that put the American people in the crossfire.
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_mo...nchin-wrong-democrats-sit-trumps-sotu-speech/The only Democrat with seemingly any sense at President Trump’s State of the Union address was West Virginia’s Sen. Joe Manchin. As many Americans saw last night, Democrats sat stone-faced and silent for most of Trump’s speech, even when they really shouldn’t have.
Some great examples being the fight against MS-13 with two victimized families sitting just above them, and the other was the low black unemployment numbers which the Congressional Black Caucus didn’t seem to be all that moved by.
According to the Washington Examiner, this embarrassed Manchin, who himself got up to applaud Republicans, but would check himself due to his party not moving a muscle. Manchin said that he never liked it when Republicans were so obstinate during Obama’s reign, and he certainly doesn’t like seeing that look on his own party.
“I was very, very upset when I saw the Republicans never, ever stood up with Barack Obama, and there was things I didn’t agree about President Obama in his speech,” he said. “But I was taught in West Virginia there’s a little bit of respect, and you should show that. And I did that then, and I did it last night.” “I think the Democrats were wrong in not showing respect,” Manchin said. “That’s just me.”
Indeed, there were moments in the State of the Union that Democrats should have absolutely stood for, but did not.
It was not a look that played well on camera, and gave off the impression that Democrats didn’t just hate Trump, but held a contempt that put the American people in the crossfire.
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Which is something I see in all of your posts... respect. Even when people want to be condescending for your alternative (and in my opinion, more accurate) beliefs, you maintain a positive tone. I could absolutely learn to be better in this area, but I can testify that when I've loved people when they have poked/are poking me, it can cause them to soften their heart and open their mind/eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if people's hearts have been softened by your kindness when disagreeing with their point of view.
I would also require backtaxes to be paid by either the illegals and/or the white collar criminals hiring the illegals. What... we simply forget about the people hiring the illegals? They are the biggest reason for the immigration problem... they attract more illegal immigrants. They get paid under the table, all untaxed. Meanwhile, the LEGAL immigrants wait years to come in, pay taxes... how is this justice or compassionate FOR THEM?
God does not make us go to the back of the line when we repent... He forgives and we move on.
There may be some justice in your plan, but there is little to no compassion.
Plus, there is absolutely ZERO chance of getting your plan put into law.
So, insist on your plan, and live with the status quo. Smart move.
There may be some justice in your plan, but there is little to no compassion.
Plus, there is absolutely ZERO chance of getting your plan put into law.
So, insist on your plan, and live with the status quo. Smart move.
Oh, perhaps because the US is better than the other 1st world countries? This situation is unique to the US, because our government allowed it to happen. Now WE, decades later, have to come up with a compassionate plan to correct the idiocy of our predecessors.
Believe me, being from Texas, I've heard the whole "round 'em all up, and send them all back across the border" mantra. I even agreed with it for a while.... but then I actually thought it out, and tried to think of what would be the compassionate thing to do? It's not the kids' fault, and they should be given a path.
12 YEARS is not amnesty, it's a pretty long path. And this is for people who grew up here, through no fault of their own.
I have very little sympathy for the law-breaking parents, though. They knowingly, willingly took their chances at flouting our law... time to pay the piper.
Believe me, being from Texas, I've heard the whole "round 'em all up, and send them all back across the border" mantra. I even agreed with it for a while.... but then I actually thought it out, and tried to think of what would be the compassionate thing to do? It's not the kids' fault, and they should be given a path.
12 YEARS is not amnesty, it's a pretty long path. And this is for people who grew up here, through no fault of their own.
I have very little sympathy for the law-breaking parents, though. They knowingly, willingly took their chances at flouting our law... time to pay the piper.
You're right, God DOESN'T forgive us if we don't repent. There is NO mercy for unrepentant sinners. You're wanting to show compassion to those who want to get ahead of the people coming here legally. You still have refused to answer how this is fair for those who come here legally... Don't you think their children would have benefited as well? Do their children not matter like the children of illegal immigrants? There is no mercy or compassion to them if you ask me.
For Hornetguy:
Lets say a bank robber robs a bank and 10 years go by. He gives all the money to his children. Then, he gets busted by the police. Do we show mercy to the children of the bank robber and allow them to keep the money that was stolen?
Of course not!!! It was never their father's money TO give in the first place. Similarly, why shouldn't the children go to the back of the line? They never should have been here in the first place! It's not as difficult as you're making it sound.
Lets say a bank robber robs a bank and 10 years go by. He gives all the money to his children. Then, he gets busted by the police. Do we show mercy to the children of the bank robber and allow them to keep the money that was stolen?
Of course not!!! It was never their father's money TO give in the first place. Similarly, why shouldn't the children go to the back of the line? They never should have been here in the first place! It's not as difficult as you're making it sound.
Nobody said it was FAIR to those who come here legally. Life is not "fair". All we can do is try to balance unfairness with compassion and fairness.
It is not "fair" for innocent children to have to suffer for their parents' law-breaking. Do you think we should lock up the children of murderers? Make them suffer for their parent's wrongdoing?
Making these "dreamers" wait 12 YEARS before they can gain citizenship is not an easy path. It is WAY longer than those who come here legally have to wait. So, in reality, they are not only being pushed to the back of the line, they are being held at the back of the line for about 5 or 6 other legal applicants to jump ahead of them...
It is not "fair" for innocent children to have to suffer for their parents' law-breaking. Do you think we should lock up the children of murderers? Make them suffer for their parent's wrongdoing?
Making these "dreamers" wait 12 YEARS before they can gain citizenship is not an easy path. It is WAY longer than those who come here legally have to wait. So, in reality, they are not only being pushed to the back of the line, they are being held at the back of the line for about 5 or 6 other legal applicants to jump ahead of them...
You actually have a point with the bold. I never thought of it from that point-of-view. Some state governments have allowed it when they didn't have legal justification to do so. Something I'll have to take into account.
Of course, I'd want to add those government officials who were suppose to uphold the law and deliberately went against it to the punishment list. I probably sound like some who lacks compassion, but I think some people need some whoopings...
Of course, I'd want to add those government officials who were suppose to uphold the law and deliberately went against it to the punishment list. I probably sound like some who lacks compassion, but I think some people need some whoopings...