Federal Regulation of Internet Coming

[Oncefallen]

LOL I had an article on Net Neutrality published at the turn of the century.

Having spent most of my life prior to "the turn of the century", I still habitually think of the turn of the century as having been the one my grandfather saw. It always takes a couple of seconds for it to click which one people are speaking of.

Same problem with trying to control the Net as back then -- no one owns it. America doesn't own the Internet, therefore we canNOT control what's on it. Best we can do is sue and sue again. We already do.

We (as a nation) may not be able to control what is available on the internet internationally, but we CAN control what is available on the internet within our borders, just ask residents of many middle eastern countries.

(Mind you I'm not arguing the legality or constitutionality of it, just capability)

 

[Desdichado]

Lol because the US is only country with internet? Nice.

Do you honestly think that is what I'm saying? *facepalm

 

[Bushido8000]

Do you honestly think that is what I'm saying? *facepalm

haha you're somehow insinuating that I have internet because soldiers are destabilizing the Middle East?

 

[Desdichado]

haha you're somehow insinuating that I have internet because soldiers are destabilizing the Middle East?

Keep going. I want to see if you strike oil.

 

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Having spent most of my life prior to "the turn of the century", I still habitually think of the turn of the century as having been the one my grandfather saw. It always takes a couple of seconds for it to click which one people are speaking of.

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We (as a nation) may not be able to control what is available on the internet internationally, but we CAN control what is available on the internet within our borders, just ask residents of many middle eastern countries.

(Mind you I'm not arguing the legality or constitutionality of it, just capability)

On the "turn of the century?" Yeah. Me too. lol

And we can get around the problem the Middle East has easily. They have more control over the IP businesses. Here? Even Apple won't help the feds prove a crime. And our laws say they don't have to.

I'm thinking all we have to do is register online through Canada, Australia, the UK, etc. (I considered getting a domain through Australia or the UK specifically because those countries are more my audience for my site.) This is why Big Business couldn't capture the Internet for their benefit either.

 

[Bushido8000]

Keep going. I want to see if you strike oil.

you...are insinuating that it's moral for us to get others to do things that we ourselves could not do because of moral conflict?

 

[JosephsDreams]

Like he said, deep web, here we come, if this happens. Although the thought of that place makes me shudder.

 

[JosephsDreams]

On second thought, no dark web. If they want to come and get me, or fine me, or whatever, let them. I am not hiding out from them because of my love for Jesus. They can even put me in front of a firing squad if they want, if it comes down to that. In fact I would prefer that then 8 or 10 or 20 years in jail.
No vegan food there...

 

[JosephsDreams]

Like Jesus said when they questioned Him. I spoke in public. in the daylight, not in secret, so why do you ask e this, or that...to paraphrase.

 

[Desdichado]

you...are insinuating that it's moral for us to get others to do things that we ourselves could not do because of moral conflict?

I was going to fully explain my point, but you have this interesting habit of either assuming the other person is either mind-numbingly stupid or that they are simply virtue signalling (maybe the latter is a bit of projection).

No, I don't think I'll humor you. But thank you for humoring me.

 

[Bushido8000]

I was going to fully explain my point, but you have this interesting habit of either assuming the other person is either mind-numbingly stupid or that they are simply virtue signalling (maybe the latter is a bit of projection).

No, I don't think I'll humor you. But thank you for humoring me.

Lol you mean you were going to fully explain your statist point but I dismantled it before you could make it? I don't think you're stupid at all. I think you're an indoctrinated statist, which is a pretty safe assumption.

I rag on conservative statists (or liberal ones) in these threads because they cry about these barbaric laws that are passed and proposed but fail to realize who actually enforces all of these crazy rules and policies (hint: it's not politicians)

 

[Desdichado]

Lol you mean you were going to fully explain your statist point but I dismantled it before you could make it? I don't think you're stupid at all. I think you're an indoctrinated statist, which is a pretty safe assumption.

I rag on conservative statists (or liberal ones) in these threads because they cry about these barbaric laws that are passed and proposed but fail to realize who actually enforces all of these crazy rules and policies (hint: it's not politicians)

And you would be wrong I'm not a statist at all unless you have some hyper exclusive definition of "minarchist"

Think tradcon in the vein of Russel Kirk, Richard Weaver, Robert Nisbet, etc. I take my pot-shots at libertarians, but they are mostly academic and we'll chill with a beer afterward, ranting about how guns should be allowed on airplanes.

 

[Bushido8000]

And you would be wrong I'm not a statist at all unless you have some hyper exclusive definition of "minarchist"

Think tradcon in the vein of Russel Kirk, Richard Weaver, Robert Nisbet, etc. I take my pot-shots at libertarians, but they are mostly academic and we'll chill with a beer afterward, ranting about how guns should be allowed on airplanes.

Libertarians (Which Minarchists fall under) are still statists. If you believe a government and its baby killers give me the freedom to have internet, it makes you a regular ole statist. But since you are a Libertarian, I will tread more lightly around you than say, Sirk seeing as how you are 3/4 toward cutting the root of the problem and typically the difference between a Libertarian and an Anarchist is about 6 months lol.

 

[crossnote]

Anarchy only works on an island with a population of 1.

 

[Zmouth]

Thank you soldiers for slaughtering civilians and using their blood to fuel my internet. Also, thank you for bombing charity hospitals so that the sun rises tomorrow.

Oh, don't thank us, shouldn't you be thanking your God since you renounce the the truths made by Declaration,

8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Matt 8:5-10

So I take it that that since you have both eyes then it the following must not offend you...

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matt 13:41-43

But I guess since you are on the side doing the gathering you have no problem with it huh? While they could never find out who you are or where you were, do you think it would be unfair of them to do unto you as you would do unto them?

 

[Desdichado]

Libertarians (Which Minarchists fall under) are still statists. If you believe a government and its baby killers give me the freedom to have internet, it makes you a regular ole statist. But since you are a Libertarian, I will tread more lightly around you than say, Sirk seeing as how you are 3/4 toward cutting the root of the problem and typically the difference between a Libertarian and an Anarchist is about 6 months lol.

I think you have to go pretty far back to partially credit soldiers and military spending with making the internet possible, but nevertheless there is causality.

Six months and maybe a trip or two to Porcfest. "Libertarian" and "statist" are antithetical swearwords that have never been applied to me at the same time, but I suppose if the shoe fits in Bushido's dictionary, I'll wear it until another thread presents the opportunity for us to hash it out over definitions.

I'm used to it with Libertarians trying to rope me into their camp. Alas. There are so few of my ilk left. With a Western background at least.

Who are your main sources of intellectual influence? Knowing your "school" of anarchy may be helpful in this discussion and others.

 

[crossnote]

The two facedness of facebook doesn't help matters either...

https://unitedwithisrael.org/israel...ve-some-blood-of-the-murdered-on-their-hands/

Some 20,000 Israelis have joined a class-action lawsuit against Facebook, charging that the social media platform is ignoring posts that include Palestinian incitement and calls to murder Jews.
“While everyone understands the need to keep the web free, Facebook’s decision to allow this flood of terrorist incitement and calls to murder Jews to continue has crossed all red lines,” the Shurat Hadin Law Center, an Israel-based legal rights group, which is spearheading this venture, announced.