Gas attack in Syria

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peacenik

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Time to bomb that Animal Assad.

Assad did more to fight and defeat ISIS than anyone else thereby seemingly doing the world a favor.

Further, there is no evidence to support the notion that Assad committed this act. On the contrary preliminary evidence suggests the outlawed weaponry originated in the West:


Proof: Intel Drop, Trump, Bolton behind Syria chemical attacks, confirmed

Germany, Britain, America, Israel - VT provides proof of chemical warfare and war crimes.


https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/...lton-behind-syria-chemical-attacks-confirmed/



VT has long covered the “aiding and abetting” of terrorists by the US coalition, and by derivation NATO, for some time now. We view its going on unchecked as a major national security threat to all countries.
Unfortunately Western corporate media, with financial resources far beyond VT, has played Mickey the Dunce on this whole story, the case usually being that the respective country intelligence agencies have warned them to stay away from it all, or suffer the consequences.
VT has also followed closely the long series of false flag chemical weapons attacks, both sarin and military-grade chlorine because we knew the Syrians would never be so stupid as to hand their heads to the US Coalition in a silver platter by doing something with no chance of any gain, but exactly the opposite.
We were also concerned that the longer “they” got away with doing this, the more innocent people would be murdered by the alleged protectors of freedom and democracy in the world, but who we know to be currently among the worst enemies of mankind.
Unfortunately, despite our best labors, the citizens of these countries have done almost nothing to hold those accountable in their own countries.




more at link


A photo showing English language instructions on alleged weaponry was provided in that link:







Note that this is not the only conservative oriented source which feels this "attack" was a false flag.

Antiwar.com agrees and has posted several articles which express that view. Further, conservative Tucker Carlson agrees as does the American Conservative: Trump’s Rush to Judgment on Syria Chemical Attack | The American Conservative
 

peacenik

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Oops, my PC is goofing up tonight big time and somehow deleted part of my post which concluded with:


Therefore, rather than rushing to judgment, let us allow all facts and circumstances to be properly assessed before anyone or anything is faulted on this horrific crime. Thereafter, let the UN, not Washington DC, decide what are the proper steps to be taken for correcting the problem.
 
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loyaldisciple

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#84
When nukes start to explode and burn entire cities and then comes
the nuclear winter > no sunlight, no moon ...
it doesn't really matter any more who is bigger and stronger than
the other.
I won't argue that point. All I'm saying is that he doesn't have any proof that the U.S. is any more vulnerable than Russia or China.
 
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loyaldisciple

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#85
Oops, my PC is goofing up tonight big time and somehow deleted part of my post which concluded with:


Therefore, rather than rushing to judgment, let us allow all facts and circumstances to be properly assessed before anyone or anything is faulted on this horrific crime. Thereafter, let the UN, not Washington DC, decide what are the proper steps to be taken for correcting the problem.
We don't need any U.N. making our military decisions. That is for sure.
 

Ezekiel8

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Oct 26, 2017
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Assad did more to fight and defeat ISIS than anyone else thereby seemingly doing the world a favor.

Further, there is no evidence to support the notion that Assad committed this act. On the contrary preliminary evidence suggests the outlawed weaponry originated in the West:


Proof: Intel Drop, Trump, Bolton behind Syria chemical attacks, confirmed

Germany, Britain, America, Israel - VT provides proof of chemical warfare and war crimes.


https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/...lton-behind-syria-chemical-attacks-confirmed/



VT has long covered the “aiding and abetting” of terrorists by the US coalition, and by derivation NATO, for some time now. We view its going on unchecked as a major national security threat to all countries.
Unfortunately Western corporate media, with financial resources far beyond VT, has played Mickey the Dunce on this whole story, the case usually being that the respective country intelligence agencies have warned them to stay away from it all, or suffer the consequences.
VT has also followed closely the long series of false flag chemical weapons attacks, both sarin and military-grade chlorine because we knew the Syrians would never be so stupid as to hand their heads to the US Coalition in a silver platter by doing something with no chance of any gain, but exactly the opposite.
We were also concerned that the longer “they” got away with doing this, the more innocent people would be murdered by the alleged protectors of freedom and democracy in the world, but who we know to be currently among the worst enemies of mankind.
Unfortunately, despite our best labors, the citizens of these countries have done almost nothing to hold those accountable in their own countries.




more at link


A photo showing English language instructions on alleged weaponry was provided in that link:







Note that this is not the only conservative oriented source which feels this "attack" was a false flag.

Antiwar.com agrees and has posted several articles which express that view. Further, conservative Tucker Carlson agrees as does the American Conservative: Trump’s Rush to Judgment on Syria Chemical Attack | The American Conservative
That Animal Assad has a huge chemical weapons stockpile and has used chemical weapons before. Every time he uses chemical weapons all the foreigners that don't like us, and muslims, and muslim sympathizers, and the liberals that hate us also, start talking about false flag attacks.

President Trump is going to punish Assad for his use of chemical weapons and that's all there is to it.

Lol also I like how the liberals try to appeal to conservatives by citing Tucker Carlson, as if he were really all that conservative. Tucker is okay, but I don't see Tucker as being really all that far to the right. He's kind of like a lot of the rank and file Republicans, he thinks he is conservative cause he works at FOX and votes Republican, but that's not really what being a conservative is about.
 

Ezekiel8

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Oops, my PC is goofing up tonight big time and somehow deleted part of my post which concluded with:


Therefore, rather than rushing to judgment, let us allow all facts and circumstances to be properly assessed before anyone or anything is faulted on this horrific crime. Thereafter, let the UN, not Washington DC, decide what are the proper steps to be taken for correcting the problem.
Lol and to add to this, yea see now this is where that will just never happen. We're not going to defer to the UN and let foreigners whom we do not like and do not trust dictate our policy to us. That's not conservative at all, to do such a thing would basically tick off the biggest of the three primary conservative factions, the ultranationalists.
 
Sep 4, 2012
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That Animal Assad has a huge chemical weapons stockpile and has used chemical weapons before. Every time he uses chemical weapons all the foreigners that don't like us, and muslims, and muslim sympathizers, and the liberals that hate us also, start talking about false flag attacks.

I think you're a bit behind the times. Syria's chemical weapons were removed years ago under international oversight. The only ones that weren't removed were in the areas held by the jihadists.
 

Ezekiel8

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I think you're a bit behind the times. Syria's chemical weapons were removed years ago under international oversight. The only ones that weren't removed were in the areas held by the jihadists.
Lol that's laughable, you expect me to seriously trust Assad because a bunch of foreigners, globalists, and liberals trust him?

Now on the other hand you have President Trump whom I trust fully and whom has not disappointed me even once yet. President Trump says that Animal Assad used chemical weapons again. So by all means, President Trump is going to punish Assad and no amount of excuses or fairy tales from his foreign sympathizers is going to change that.

Since I see you are very persistent to defend that muslim Assad, I will grant you one heck of a privilege. There is actually one way to change my resolve and stop my President Trump from punishing the prince of Asshur. That one way is if Assad steps down from power and surrenders himself to President Trump. So that is the one and only way, you better go and focus your efforts on letting him and his people know rather than trying to change my mind.
 
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Lol that's laughable, you expect me to seriously trust Assad because a bunch of foreigners, globalists, and liberals trust him?

Now on the other hand you have President Trump whom I trust fully and whom has not disappointed me even once yet. President Trump says that Animal Assad used chemical weapons again. So by all means, President Trump is going to punish Assad and no amount of excuses or fairy tales from his foreign sympathizers is going to change that.

Since I see you are very persistent to defend that muslim Assad, I will grant you one heck of a privilege. There is actually one way to change my resolve and stop my President Trump from punishing the prince of Asshur. That one way is if Assad steps down from power and surrenders himself to President Trump. So that is the one and only way, you better go and focus your efforts on letting him and his people know rather than trying to change my mind.
You are a jihadi sympathizer. The people of Syria want Assad, they don't want to be ruled by jihadists.
 

prove-all

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That is not "proof" that China and Russia are more powerful than
the U.S. and it's allies. All of that is speculation and your opinion.

So far you have not shown that the U.S. can win a war with Russia.
Please provide at least a recent link from an expert, that says U.S could still win
a war against Russia, let alone Russia and China banded together.

If not, this would be just your speculation and your opinion so far.
 
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Desdichado

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I agree with the preponderance of what you say on this topic, but letting the UN decide anything is a total pipe dream.

I'd sooner hand the operation over to the South Dakota Department of Motor Vehicles.

Oops, my PC is goofing up tonight big time and somehow deleted part of my post which concluded with:


Therefore, rather than rushing to judgment, let us allow all facts and circumstances to be properly assessed before anyone or anything is faulted on this horrific crime. Thereafter, let the UN, not Washington DC, decide what are the proper steps to be taken for correcting the problem.
 
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These are the people who "Animal Assad" was fighting in E. Ghouta, the Army of Islam. They are a Saudi jihadist faction that used civilian women as human shields by putting them in cages to prevent airstrikes on Douma. They were so well financed by SA that they wanted to take $900 million with them as part of their surrender terms. They are also the ones who claimed they used poison gas on the Kurds. They also kidnapped about 5000 civilians and starved and worked them to death digging tunnels under Douma. These are the people who claim "Animal Assad" gassed them.

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peacenik

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We don't need any U.N. making our military decisions. That is for sure.

Intervening in a foreign conflict is not "our" decision. The international rule of law (for which the USA is a signatory) requires UN, not unilateral action. It is the law.
 
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loyaldisciple

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Intervening in a foreign conflict is not "our" decision. The international rule of law (for which the USA is a signatory) requires UN, not unilateral action. It is the law.
ANY action taken by OUR military should solely be OUR decision. It is obvious, you are in favor of other countries voting on and telling us what to do. Well, I am not in favor of that. They don't live in this country and should not have any vote on any actions we take.
 

peacenik

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ANY action taken by OUR military should solely be OUR decision. It is obvious, you are in favor of other countries voting on and telling us what to do. Well, I am not in favor of that. They don't live in this country and should not have any vote on any actions we take.


Actually, I prefer that the USA withdraw from the UN and to desist from foreign entanglements as was demanded by our Founding Fathers. But since we are signatory to the UN Charter we are under legal obligation to adhere to its rulings. Again, it is the law whether anyone likes it or not.
 
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These are the people who "Animal Assad" was fighting in E. Ghouta, the Army of Islam. They are a Saudi jihadist faction that used civilian women as human shields by putting them in cages to prevent airstrikes on Douma. They were so well financed by SA that they wanted to take $900 million with them as part of their surrender terms. They are also the ones who claimed they used poison gas on the Kurds. They also kidnapped about 5000 civilians and starved and worked them to death digging tunnels under Douma. These are the people who claim "Animal Assad" gassed them.

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I forgot to mention that for 6 years the Army of Islam in Douma (right next door to Damascus) killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Damascus with homemade hell cannons.

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loyaldisciple

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Actually, I prefer that the USA withdraw from the UN and to desist from foreign entanglements as was demanded by our Founding Fathers. But since we are signatory to the UN Charter we are under legal obligation to adhere to its rulings. Again, it is the law whether anyone likes it or not.
Yes, we should leave the U.N. completely. I would welcome all countries to join whatever military actions that "we decide" to undertake. And if they don't wish to join, then I would strongly advise them to stay out of the way.
 
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Miri

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Russia says Syrian 'chemical attack' was staged - BBC News


Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said a reported
chemical attack in Syria was staged by foreign agents.

A spokesman for Russia's defence ministry accused the UK of being
involved in staging the attack.

The US and France say they have proof it took place and, alongside
the UK, are considering military retaliation.

Russia, which has military forces deployed in Syria in support of the
government, has warned that Western air strikes risk starting a war.

During a press briefing on Friday, Mr Lavrov said he had "irrefutable
evidence" that the attack was staged as part of a "Russophobic
campaign" led by one country, which he did not name.



Well it’s beginning to look like Russia are either very stupid, very
deceitful, or very wrong.