Germany building a European army?

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KennethC

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And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?

who is able to [make war] with him?

the 4th beast was rome,
roman kingdom was the biggest [war machine] the world had seen.

had all the traits of the other 3 beast kingdoms combined.


I will again repeat that Daniel shows that the Roman empire will never be reformed....................

Read Daniel 2:43 as it clearly says they will never adhere again to one another before the Lord's kingdom is set up after His return.
 

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I'll leave the EOT decisions to God.

As for an EU military, all I can say is that it is about time. The US has spent 70 years and trillions of dollars providing the bulk of their defense. I think that it's time for them to invest their resources, and for the US to come home.
 

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I'll leave the EOT decisions to God.

As for an EU military, all I can say is that it is about time. The US has spent 70 years and trillions of dollars providing the bulk of their defense. I think that it's time for them to invest their resources, and for the US to come home.
I never thought we would agree on anything, but I agree with this.
 

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Interesting tidbit...

The Jerusalem Post

BERLIN - A German actor who dressed up as Adolf Hitler and traveled through the country for four weeks chatting to smiling voters and stroking their pets for a film that opens this week says he was shocked by the warm welcome he received.
 
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I will again repeat that Daniel shows that the Roman empire will never be reformed....................

Read Daniel 2:43 as it clearly says they will never adhere again to one another before the Lord's kingdom is set up after His return.
Who exactly is the "they" that will mingle with the "seed of men" in the passage?
 

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For those who continue to believe a revised Roman empire for the final beast kingdom need to read Daniel 2:43.
Proves nothing either way, just that the Empire won't be as cohesive as the first.

Daniel 2:41-43 KJV[41] And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. [42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
 

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Well my Grandma always said (who lived in London WWI, Belgium WWII) that Germany would start WWIII.
-one of the first conquest of this new power , sparking ww3 allready

strongly opposed by the European Economic Community, the U.S.and
the UN, Germany recognized the breakaway states of Croatia and
Slovenia. also Pope John Paul ii quickly did the same.

European Economic Community caved and recognized the two states.

The New York Times wrote about this watershed event in a front-page
“Moving Defiantly on Yugoslavia, Bonn Threatens Rift With Allies”:
Moving Defiantly on Yugoslavia, Bonn Threatens Rift With Allies - NYTimes.com

-The UN also backed away from a direct confrontation with Kohl.
And the U.S., which at first blamed the Germans for provoking
the Balkan crisis by recognizing the two breakaway states, eventually
flip-flopped to support Germany’s decision!

Putin wants it back, he will not let them take more away without a fight.
 
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Proves nothing either way, just that the Empire won't be as cohesive as the first.
It shows that they will never join again to each other before the Lord returns, and another scripture from Daniel shows this last empire lead by the man of sin will be different then all those that came before it.

We must go by the OT prophecies of the end times as well as they with Revelation helps to unlock things in those prophecies.

Here are the places mentioned facing God's wrath in the end times:
Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, Lebanon, Libya, Turkey, Greece, and Syria

Then you also have in Isaiah 21 where it clearly shows Saudi Arabia mentioned with Babylon in destruction. Saudi Arabia was not part of the Babylonian empire of the past.
 

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-2014/12/08 Germany wants to be the “driving force in Europe of
a parliamentary controlled European army,”

This will be an EU army under strong German control.
www.german-foreign-policy.com

On October 29, German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen signed a
declaration of intent on German-Polish cooperation with Polish Defense
Minister Tomasz Siemoniak. This declaration of intent is not limited
to training drills but provides for “placing combat battalions under
the other’s command.”

After the agreement, von der Leyen’s ministry declared the “German-Polish
cooperation is a trendsetting milestone for the development of European
integrated military structures.”


www.german-foreign-policy.com

-The government-affiliated German Institute for International and Security
Affairs (swp) believes that America’s changing global role is a good reason
for establishing an EU army.



“Enabling the future—European military capabilities 2013-2025:
Enabling the future. European military capabilities 2013-2025: challenges and avenues
Home - EUISS

with examples of threats it believes the EU needs to prepare to deal with.
 

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This is scenario number six , Aggressive regime in the Middle East

#Risk/threat: An unpredictable but increasingly powerful regime in the wider Middle East conducts its first atomic test. A year later, the regime demonstrates that it has a working and deliverable nuclear capability to a range of 2,500 km: European territory could be directly threatened. The regime, feeling safe under its newfound atomic umbrella, becomes increasingly aggressive, harrying commercial vessels in the Gulf and supporting terrorist jihadi organizations throughout the Levant. The situation escalates when the country mounts incursions into a smaller pro-Western neighbor, whose freedom is deemed critical for the security of world energy supply.

Response: Given the severity of the situation and the potential number of actors implicated, any response would likely be international in character. Europeans, however, would be expected to provide a substantial force component for large-scale expeditionary warfare, which would need to be backed up with tactical and strategic ballistic missile defenses.

Scenario five sees Islamist jihadists take control of the Suez Canal. Such an event could force the Europeans to launch an “extended” mission “to protect one of their most precious pieces of overseas infrastructure,” it states. According to EU strategists, the Suez already belongs to them.

The report argued that the EU needs to be willing and able to defend “zones of EU privileged interests”—areas around the EU such as the Mediterranean Sea or Indo-Pacific region.

Anti-Muslim PEGIDA Movement Rattles Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Nachrichten - SPIEGEL ONLINE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretariat_of_State_(Vatican)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_integration

by building the army itself, Germany gets to be the undisputed leader.
Germany is returning to its role as the premier military power in Europe.

-Europe’s financial crisis, which was deliberately caused by design flaws in
the euro, is forcing nations to relinquish their sovereignty and unite.
‘We have to address some euro area design flaws’ ECB’s chief economist says | euronews, interview

Germany consolidating Europe’s militaries should be deeply disturbing
 
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KennethC

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Who exactly is the "they" that will mingle with the "seed of men" in the passage?
The they there is the countries that made up the Roman empire, they will spread out and be a divided group that will not adhere again to each other. Hince the reason for the 10 toes showing they are divided and not united !!!

The description of the final system given in the bible mentions all components that made up all of the previous empires together, not just one revised system.

As you have the Lion (Babylonian), Bear (Medio-Persian), and so on all consisting together.

These countries that made up these empires are now all to almost all Muslim countries !!!
 

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{The Germans want an EU army, but [Britain is against it] }

the UK has not much say so, another reason they will be out of the E.U. soon,

eather kicked out or thrown out, has yet been decided, but they soon will leave the EU.
 
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The they there is the countries that made up the Roman empire, they will spread out and be a divided group that will not adhere again to each other. Hince the reason for the 10 toes showing they are divided and not united !!!

The description of the final system given in the bible mentions all components that made up all of the previous empires together, not just one revised system.

As you have the Lion (Babylonian), Bear (Medio-Persian), and so on all consisting together.

These countries that made up these empires are now all to almost all Muslim countries !!!
That still doesn't answer why make the point "they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men".
 
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Mitspa

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Seeing how europe is smaller than the us in size and population joining their armed forces into one actually makes a lot of sense when you have crazier by the day neighbors over in russia. But lets just be insane and say its the little horn because by golly that will get more views.
Oh yea...what we need is another authoritarian German government with a huge army ..claiming they are defending the west against Russia ... I think we have seen that play out before ... we even have the Germans army of jew-killers , imported from the middle east ready for their bloody work in Europe.
 

Desdichado

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No one should be surprised that the Germans have decided to import millions of ready-made jew hating muslims..ready to finish the job of the jewish problem in Europe.
They have imported something they cannot control without removing it. Same goes for the Ruskies, actually.

Welcome to Eurabia.
 
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1LonelyKnight

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Thanks for this thread. Realize that the US Secretary of Defense (Carter) is German the Bush family etc. mixed breeds with Brits and jews. Har-v-Ards Zuckerburg and the Bavarian illuminati, the 322 cult, the Levy's and Roths childs too. No tin foil hat needed. Oppenheimer was warned how hard and how bad it is for untrained (PhD's not with standing) Germans to restrain a Talmudic, Zionist system and how easy it is to fall for that serpent of kabbalah.
 

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Increased violence in Germany, many blame the huge influx of refugees

“We are witnessing the worst wave of racist and right-wing violence in 20 years,” [said Ulrich Lilie]
president of Diakonie, one of the largest Christian charities in Germany. He made the statement in
November, but evidence shows that the wave is still coming in today. Yet the government seems
reluctant to take steps to prevent this radicalization.
Violence against refugees rising in Germany | News | DW.COM | 05.11.2015



Deutsche Welle reported last November on the increasing instances of violence against refugees,
saying that “at least 104 violent [attacks against asylum centers] have been recorded, including
53 acts of arson.” The report said that refugee advocates are frustrated by the low rate of prosecution for such attacks.
Massive increase in attacks on refugee shelters | News | DW.COM | 09.10.2015


“A consistent, fast and successful prosecution can help prevent further escalation of violence,” said Lilie.
But such prosecution is not happening. In its absence, the radicalization has increased. Is it possible the
government is trying to cover up violent events, such as the [Cologne attacks], in an effort to make
Europe’s assimilation of refugees seem successful?
Officials 'tried to erase rape' from Cologne NYE report - The Local



Last year, a team of reporters from Zeit Online and Die Zeit studied 747 cases of punishable offenses
listed in the statistics of the Federal Criminal Police Office. Among these were 222 serious attacks,
which did or could have resulted in injuries. The team found that a perpetrator was convicted in only
four of the 222 cases. In less than a quarter of the 222 cases a suspect was found. Their follow-up article explained the findings:


Chancellor Angela Merkel promised in September [that the state would] go after those who attack refugees
“with all means available.” Now, though, it has become apparent that her promise was an empty one. Hardly
a day goes by anymore without a violent criminal [attacking a refugee] hostel. Sometimes they hurl paving
stones or Molotov cocktails, while at others, they simply set facilities on fire or flood them. In a distressing
number of instances, investigators and the judiciary are helpless, and the perpetrators go unpunished.
Violence against refugees: Germany in flames |*ZEIT ONLINE
 
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Chancellor Angela Merkel promised in September [that the state would] go after those who
attack refugees “with all means available.” Now, though, it has become apparent that her
promise was an empty one. Hardly a day goes by anymore without a violent criminal
[attacking a refugee] hostel. Sometimes they hurl paving stones or Molotov cocktails,
while at others, they simply set facilities on fire or flood them. In a distressing number
of instances, investigators and the judiciary are helpless, and the perpetrators go unpunished.
Violence against refugees: Germany in flames |*ZEIT ONLINE

In January, [Tagesschau] reported that, during 2015, the Federal Criminal Police Office
registered five times more attacks against asylum accommodations than in 2014.

This amounted to 1,000 crimes, but only every fourth case was being assessed.
German authorities are reluctant to pursue such cases because they know that
prosecution of their own citizens would be decried by some segments of the population.
This reluctance makes attacks more likely.
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/angriffe-fluechtlingsunterkuenfte-103.html

Saxony, Germany, harbors the worst of the violence, and its refugee camps are still
sometimes set ablaze. In one case, citizens attempted to prevent the fire department
from extinguishing the fire. These citizens either had no fear of being arrested or their
hatred outweighed their fear. But, since the population knows it is unlikely to be
prosecuted, such events should come as no surprise.

In February, a Bundestag meeting was called to discuss the Saxony attacks.
Attendees agreed that violence had reached a new level and authorities needed to
take immediate action. However, neither the chancellor nor any minister from the
government was in attendance, convincing some onlookers that the government
was not taking the crisis seriously.

Such worries grew in April after Alternative for Germany’s (AfD) [Roman Reusch
became head attorney general]. The AfD is known for its hatred toward refugees,
and Reusch is seen as especially scandalous. “He sits on the board of the AfD in
Brandenburg and supports controversial theses about juvenile delinquency and crimes
committed by foreigners. Nevertheless, Roman Reusch is now to be Berlin’s chief prosecutor,”
reported Spiegel.
AfD-Politiker zum Chef-Staatsanwalt in Berlin befördert - SPIEGEL ONLINE

The move convinced some that Germany isn’t seeking justice for refugees but
rather to conceal acts of violence against them. “The Turkish association
condemned Reusch’s appointment as a scandal,” [Die Welt] reported.
Ayse Demir, chief executive officer of the Turkish Union of Berlin-Brandenburg,
called the appointment “more than worrisome.”
Berlin: Umstrittener AfD-Funktionär wird leitender Staatsanwalt - DIE WELT

Chancellor Angela Merkel appears to be trying to appease both the refugees
and the citizens, but this tactic is only encouraging more violence.

Last August, Spiegel wrote[ “Dark Germany, Bright Germany: Which Side Will
Prevail Under Strain of Refugees?]” It has since become clear that it is both
the German people and the government who are empowering “dark Germany.”
SPIEGEL Cover Story: The New Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Is Berlin’s Flawed Refugee Policy Reviving ‘Dark Germany’?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...s-berlins-flawed-refugee-policy-reviving-dark-
germany
 

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{The Germans want an EU army, but [Britain is against it] }

the UK has not much say so, another reason they will be out of the E.U. soon,

eather kicked out or thrown out, has yet been decided, but they soon will leave the EU.
you called it. nailed it.