GOP Presidential Nomination

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Well to break from the Cruz stuff, here's something interesting I found. Apparently the GOP created a secret memo back in September detailing their stratagems in dealing with Trump, particularly on how they intend to manage their Senatorial races in the event that Trump wins the nomination. Was leaked to the press a few days ago. Enjoy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps...mp-from-ward-baker-to-nrsc-senior-staff/1898/
 

Oncefallen

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Youre confused as to the definition of natural born.
The Constitution directly addresses the minimum qualifications necessary to serve as President. In addition to requiring thirty-five years of age and fourteen years of residency, the Constitution limits the presidency to “a natural born Citizen.”[SUP]1×[/SUP]1. U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. All the sources routinely used to interpret the Constitution confirm that the phrase “natural born Citizen” has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. And Congress has made equally clear from the time of the framing of the Constitution to the current day that, subject to certain residency requirements on the parents, someone born to a U.S. citizen parent generally becomes a U.S. citizen without regard to whether the birth takes place in Canada, the Canal Zone, or the continental United States.

On the Meaning of “Natural Born Citizen” - On the Meaning of “Natural Born Citizen”[SUP]2×

IOW...Cruz is in.
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We've been down this road with GIS multiple times.........don't strain your typing fingers trying to convince him of the true legal definition because (like many scenarios) he is convinced that his incorrect opinion is fact.
 
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We've been down this road with GIS multiple times.........don't strain your typing fingers trying to convince him of the true legal definition because (like many scenarios) he is convinced that his incorrect opinion is fact.
Lol technically he's not incorrect. It's kind of a strange US legalistic paradox. Technically we are both right until a definitive interpretation is decided upon by the Supreme Court, which they seem unwilling to decide upon, dismissing many cases on purely procedural grounds to avoid a ruling.

Personally I just enjoy the irony of how much a ruckus there was over Obama for the birther issue when he was born in Hawaii, but the same crowd says nothing about Cruz whom was actually born in Canada.

I like Cruz though, so I want to keep him around in the Senate where I think he has the most potential to be an effective part of our last ditch effort to form a Christian technocratic government to try to fix some of these massive problems of the past 16 years.
 

Desdichado

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The sad part about Lindsey is that, whether he stays or goes, he is a non-factor in the campaign for the presidency.

At least if Bush dropped out, something interesting would happen in the polls.
 

Desdichado

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Also, I'm increasingly persuaded Cruz is going to win the nomination.
 

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY
TED CRUZ
DECEMBER 22, 1970

NEXT PREZ OF THE U. S. OF A. :)
 

Desdichado

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I had no idea. That's cool. Happy belated birthday, Ted.

Better Ted than dead.
 
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Well folks it's that time again for another GOP primary debate. The debate will be hosted by FOX Business channel. The main stage debate will be at 9PM. This time there will be 7 candidates on stage, Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, Bush, Carson, Christie and Trump. So hoping this means they will give the candidates a little more time per question.

GOP candidate lineup announced for Fox Business Network debate | Fox News

Interesting developments in the race lately. Trump has as predicted brought Cruz's ineligibility being a non-natural born citizen to the forefront of the campaign as the two are forced to break their truce to contest each other being perceived as the frontrunners. Bush has been somewhat on the offensive lately in hopes of regaining the favor as the establishment champion which Rubio and Christie seem to be trying to take over. Carson has vowed to embarrass himself publicly, which ought not be hard. For real why Ben Carson still even allowed on the stage, but not Rand Paul? Rand Paul being maltreated by the GOP base has decided to boycott the undercard debate; a risky gamble that may get him enough attention to stay in or may backfire on him and lay his campaign into the ground.

Kasich has seen a small resurgence in New Hampshire which has helped him stay in the dark horse seat on the main stage, so hoping my good servant will be a little more assertive tonight. Kasich has been highlighting his economic and Christian conservative record a little more noting his strong record on cutting taxes and creating jobs highly fiscal conservative policies, and has done great things helping the poor his Christian conservative policy.

This debate should be a good one as the first primaries are just around the corner so the candidates ought be a bit feisty as this is one of their last chances to try to climb up the hill, or in the frontrunners' cases push the others back down. Also it comes on the heels of the State of the Union address. Interestingly Trump was indirectly referenced in both the State of the Union and the GOP rebuttal by Nikki Haley (a favorite for the VP slot) so we may see some allusions to that. All ready Trump being a sharp one has taken to it.

Lastly, to consider the Democrat side of things Bernie Sanders has been rising as having a real shot to usurp Hillary. This ties into the GOP primaries as Hillary has been a main focus and topic of the GOP debates, and the GOPers, besides Trump, have largely ignored Sanders. So we may see a little more focus fire on Sanders from the other candidates.

Should be a good one for sure. Love how far this topic has come and I have noted how a lot of what we debate and discuss here ends up in their campaigns not long afterwards which proves we have the power just by speaking and agreeing or disagreeing to influence the race.
 
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It's worth noting that Ted Cruz, whom I had a considerable amount of respect, has changed his position countless times during the campaign. He's been called out by Santorum and Huckabee on this, but it was largely ignored by the press.

In a nutshell:
1) Ted said he doesn't support NSA spying on American citizens. (Yet voted to re-authorize Patriot Act, and to expand surveillance power with CISA which he admits is a bill he never even read.)

2) Said he strongly supports Traditional Marriage, but told a backroom group of lobbyist that he would not make it an issue once elected president.

3) Agreed with Rand Paul that we should "Audit the Fed", yet never showed up to vote the day the bill he co-sponsored was brought up. He has tried to say that he knew it wouldn't pass so there was no use, but "once I'm elected [president]" he'd sign it into law. (Which can't even be done without congress). It is he himself who said during the Lynch nomination that being absent for votes is the equivalent of voting no.

Regarding the debate - there is an online town hall tonight that will be streamed by Rand Paul.
It may be more interesting than the Fox Debate which I don't plan to watch. Paul was removed by Fox even though a poll which was taken Wednesday was inside of their debate poll window. They simply refused to take that poll into account while giving Bush and Kasich his spot (both of which are polling very low, but better at pushing the Fox News narrative of supporting establishment politicians).
 
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It's worth noting that Ted Cruz, whom I had a considerable amount of respect, has changed his position countless times during the campaign. He's been called out by Santorum and Huckabee on this, but it was largely ignored by the press.

In a nutshell:
1) Ted said he doesn't support NSA spying on American citizens. (Yet voted to re-authorize Patriot Act, and to expand surveillance power with CISA which he admits is a bill he never even read.)

2) Said he strongly supports Traditional Marriage, but told a backroom group of lobbyist that he would not make it an issue once elected president.

3) Agreed with Rand Paul that we should "Audit the Fed", yet never showed up to vote the day the bill he co-sponsored was brought up. He has tried to say that he knew it wouldn't pass so there was no use, but "once I'm elected [president]" he'd sign it into law. (Which can't even be done without congress). It is he himself who said during the Lynch nomination that being absent for votes is the equivalent of voting no.

Regarding the debate - there is an online town hall tonight that will be streamed by Rand Paul.
It may be more interesting than the Fox Debate which I don't plan to watch. Paul was removed by Fox even though a poll which was taken Wednesday was inside of their debate poll window. They simply refused to take that poll into account while giving Bush and Kasich his spot (both of which are polling very low, but better at pushing the Fox News narrative of supporting establishment politicians).
I agree with a lot of this, though the redmeat is really his Canadian birth. I knew it would come up that was one you could see coming a mile away. They're also airing stories about some minor problems with Cruz getting donations from big banks, but in my opinion that isn't too bad. I think it's just a pre-show that Cruz is gonna get tested hard tonight, but that makes sense, it's his turn now that he's in 2nd place or neck and neck with Trump.

I agree I think they should have kept Rand Paul, I thought he won the last debate, and he's the feistiest and most willing to attack Trump, but it's whatever. I am favoring Kasich so I am glad my servant is on the stage as he is clearly the best candidate going by technocratic record and experience of accomplishment alone. I think the reason they retained Kasich and Bush is they're polling within the Top 5 in New Hampshire which is the first real primary.
 
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Was a pretty good debate indeed. On the real substantive technocracy side of it I think indeed best one for my servant Kasich so far. Hard to pick between him and Trump in this debate. Both showed themselves best again depending what your angle is. I guess it's the deciding theme of this year's primary. Establishment vs. Outsider. I think Kasich showed himself the clear one the establishment needs to go behind. Kasich is the experienced establishment coalition builder and compassionate Christian conservative alternative to Trump the Yankee Fury king of America outsider and yet face of America. If not Kasich then only alternative is Trump as they are the only two with real visions and plans going forward. The rest just get bogged down on Hillary and Obama.

Lol Ben Carson actually was pretty funny lol made me laugh the most. I think just on that alone maybe he wins the debate show of it lol it was the best debate for him actually he was funny. Might as well let him stick around for the last debate before showtime really starts. Despite his hilarious answers and in no way would I vote for him, his ground campaign structure has been probably the best of the whole race. I think his staffers, the behind the scenes folks for him, are the real strength for him and whoever is nominee should take note and recruit that effort in the coalition to beat the democrats. Consider even his kinda naïve answers and him being such a bad candidate his campaign staff and machine has got him to outpoll and outlast a good number of fairly favored and establishment GOPers from early on in the race like Lindsey Graham, Rick Perry, and Bobby Jindal.

Didn't catch the undercard debate yet, will have to check for the videos later. Wondering how Rand Paul's boycott gamble will play out for him. I can kinda see why he is somewhat justified in his boycott. Really the GOP debate just wasn't the same without him. No one to really check Christie's absurd ideas about no-fly zones that would result in war with Russia or get under Trump's skin and of course Paul, Cruz, and Rubio are practically the new guard GOP Three Amigos. Their on-going senatorial triad debate just ain't the same with Paul. They should have let Rand Paul on the main stage I think indeed. He's the missing piece of the GOP spectrum as a whole and it was noticeable in the debate. The Circus just wasn't the same without him. Lol that and the humor of the isolationist boycotting the debate unless he's allowed on the mainstage lol. I hope FOX let him back for the mainstage crunch time debate on January 28th.
 
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in the wake of the debate it appears that trump has turned his full tantrum fury on ted cruz...over an issue that trump didn't care about until cruz started beating him in the iowa polls...

the beast has turned on the harlot...

now maybe cruz has spent his entire campaign preparing for this moment...maybe this is the bridge too far that will lead a large number of trump's supporters to reconsider and side with cruz...but i wouldn't bet on it...the phrase 'too far gone' comes to mind...

on the other hand if the cruz campaign comes out of this with lasting damage...it couldn't have happened in a more well deserved way...i have no sympathy for unprincipled lackeys who were too busy overlooking their master's many wrongs to realize that their usefulness had an expiration date...
 
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The beast and the harlot? Wow .... The gig is up...these establishment clowns like Bush and the other liberal Republicans are history ...if you folks don't like Trump or Cruz...vote for Hillary or sanders
 
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Ted Cruz will bring in a lot of Hispanic votes...I think its time we have a Hispanic president
 
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Here's the recent mainstage debate for ya'll in case you missed it or are just high info voter enough to watch it again. Also just for the topic itself lol, one of my favorite topics on CC ever for its longevity too. Haven't seen sir Desdichado for a while but hope you are well wherever you be Sir Desdi. Come to think of it reading back through here Sir Viligant and Sir Sirk too and hope him and his son doing well, praise Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeqe_XKWs3o
[video=youtube;yeqe_XKWs3o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeqe_XKWs3o[/video]

I still think on the real Trump or Kasich show in this debate how they the only real logical two for specifically to be President.
 

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Ted Cruz will bring in a lot of Hispanic votes...I think its time we have a Hispanic president
We've been ready since the mid 1950's!

[video=youtube;AQ91QMNMCJA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ91QMNMCJA[/video]

Donald Trump asked how many evangelicals come from New York. My answer is how much awesomeness came out of Cuba in wake of the Diaspora?

Better Cigars. Better Sandwiches. Republican voters. Desi...
 

Desdichado

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The beast and the harlot? Wow .... The gig is up...these establishment clowns like Bush and the other liberal Republicans are history ...if you folks don't like Trump or Cruz...vote for Hillary or sanders
Yeah. And they say I exaggerate.
 
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We've been ready since the mid 1950's!


Donald Trump asked how many evangelicals come from New York. My answer is how much awesomeness came out of Cuba in wake of the Diaspora?

Better Cigars. Better Sandwiches. Republican voters. Desi...
Lol no thanks we'll take Trump before that.

It's not the Cuban thing about a Cruz coronation we don't want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwn_0nonIa0
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