I am an alt right Christian.

[DarkRose]

I agree and somewhat disagree that you can judge the morality of a nation based on church attendance. Certainly going to church does not make one a Christian. But this country began and had its foundations in the Word,just read the Mayflower Compact. There was a time where you couldn't even teach school if you were not an upstanding member of society. I love history and I went to a little old school in my travels and it gave the guidelines to being able to teach,most people today would not be allowed to teach a class back then according to the rules. They had to be a member of the church,they could not be a drunkard,on and on.I was quite surprised. Now you can't even speak the name of God in a school. Again I didn't say everyone was Christian.

Churches do not sit empty because of hypocrites telling people how to live.This I do know about as I have traveled in over a thousand churches in all denominations from Pentecostal to Baptist to Catholic. People are not attending church because they do not want to hear the straight forward Word of God. The church has watered down the message so far,and yet people still are offended to hear the Word. The Bible says that the truth can be a stumbling block. Now certainly we must show love,but that today is a code word for "accept all lifestyles". If someone says homosexuality is sin,watch people scream that that is a bigoted,unloving,hateful and yet the Bible calls it sin. And its the same with any other sin. If you tell a couple that living together before marriage is wrong,same response. And this is why churches sit empty today. Truth is relative,there is no absolute right or wrong and who are you to tell me anything. Thats the attitude. I had a young person say to me "only God can judge me!" And to that I said "that should frighten the life out of you".

"This better time", as I have told you was in the past. When the country was formed,when the Bible could be read in schools,when politicians were allowed to pray in the WH in public and not behind closed doors. Check out wallbuilders.com to see what Im talking about.

I disagree with you on why churches sit empty. I think of a pastor like David Platt (or Francis Chan) who really do preach a radical, crazy love, gospel that's has hard truths and is hard to follow. Yet, their church attendances aren't small, from my understanding. The truth can be a stumbling block...no one wants to deal with their own sin, but people are drawn to these churches where there is love and hope and God.
I know people who are homosexual. Some of them are even friends of mine. Some used to be church going people, but they didn't stop going to church because they were told homosexuality was wrong. They stop going because someone stands at a pulpit and curses the homosexuals sin while they in turn abuse and brainwash their own children, demoralize their wives, and behave like they are the most righteous of all of us. The preachers sins may vary, but oftentimes things like this are what drive people out of the church. Now, there are people who do leave because they don't want to be told their lifestyle is amoral. But, I don't think that's the rule necessarily....think of Jimmy Swaggart. Preaching the gospel (or, his version of it), huge following, yet an adulterer and a liar behind closed doors. No wonder people don't trust pastors and the church setting.

my point about the past, is that these good things you talk about (reading the bible in school and such) happened in a time when other terrible things were being practiced. So, just because the government said with their mouths "we believe in God" blah blah, and just because they outwardly prayered in public doesn't mean they were actually a Godly nation.

 

[kaylagrl]

I disagree with you on why churches sit empty. I think of a pastor like David Platt (or Francis Chan) who really do preach a radical, crazy love, gospel that's has hard truths and is hard to follow. Yet, their church attendances aren't small, from my understanding. The truth can be a stumbling block...no one wants to deal with their own sin, but people are drawn to these churches where there is love and hope and God.
I know people who are homosexual. Some of them are even friends of mine. Some used to be church going people, but they didn't stop going to church because they were told homosexuality was wrong. They stop going because someone stands at a pulpit and curses the homosexuals sin while they in turn abuse and brainwash their own children, demoralize their wives, and behave like they are the most righteous of all of us. The preachers sins may vary, but oftentimes things like this are what drive people out of the church. Now, there are people who do leave because they don't want to be told their lifestyle is amoral. But, I don't think that's the rule necessarily....think of Jimmy Swaggart. Preaching the gospel (or, his version of it), huge following, yet an adulterer and a liar behind closed doors. No wonder people don't trust pastors and the church setting.

my point about the past, is that these good things you talk about (reading the bible in school and such) happened in a time when other terrible things were being practiced. So, just because the government said with their mouths "we believe in God" blah blah, and just because they outwardly prayered in public doesn't mean they were actually a Godly nation.

No,what I said still stands as to the reason churches sit empty. As a person with first hand knowledge I know the reason. That being said I never said that love should not be preached but you cannot preach all love either. There must be a balance.

I'll say as I said in another thread,our example is Christ. I have a wonderful pastor,I realize he's not perfect,no pastor is. I have pastors in my family,not a one of them perfect. We dont bring people to church and say "now be a good Christian" or "be like the pastor" we bring them to church to say "be like Christ" and any pastor worth his salt will say the same. Jimmy Swaggart had a personal flaw and sin that he hid and God exposed. Had he humbled himself he could have been forgiven and would not have had to been exposed. But it doesn't matter what hypocrites are in the church, because in one way or another we're all hypocrites it just depends on the degree. We're to focus on Christ and point others to Him. There are a lot of great pastors out there doing what God called them to do.

Once again you need to check out wallbuilders and you'll understand what Im saying. There was a time when this nation was a lot closer to God. The terrible things that were being practiced hangs on the ones that practiced them. But while there was slavery there were people working underground to save slaves,there were politicians working to free slaves,there were people in the country on the right side and against slavery. And those people eventually won. There was a time this country acknowledged God,now we cannot even do that because its not politically correct. Yes,there were better times in America.

 

[DarkRose]

No,what I said still stands as to the reason churches sit empty. As a person with first hand knowledge I know the reason. That being said I never said that love should not be preached but you cannot preach all love either. There must be a balance.

i have first hand knowledge, as well. My knowledge isn't any less relevant than yours.

I'll say as I said in another thread,our example is Christ. I have a wonderful pastor,I realize he's not perfect,no pastor is. I have pastors in my family,not a one of them perfect. We dont bring people to church and say "now be a good Christian" or "be like the pastor" we bring them to church to say "be like Christ" and any pastor worth his salt will say the same. Jimmy Swaggart had a personal flaw and sin that he hid and God exposed. Had he humbled himself he could have been forgiven and would not have had to been exposed. But it doesn't matter what hypocrites are in the church, because in one way or another we're all hypocrites it just depends on the degree. We're to focus on Christ and point others to Him. There are a lot of great pastors out there doing what God called them to do.

i completely agree. Our example is Christ. But, last I checked, He didn't sit in the midst of tax payers and sinners and condemn them. He didn't scorn them and kick them out of his presence because they were demon possessed or adulterers. The people Jesus condemned were people who went to church and called themselves righteous and pointed the accusing finger at ours for their lifestyles. Isn't the phrase...He loved them into the kingdom? He wasn't a hypocrite. He practiced what he preached. He loved them in spite of themselves.
Your quote that we are all hypocrites to some degree is fantastic! I love the way you said that. And, I agree that there are many great pastors out there doing good work. It's unfortunate that they can be hard to come by sometimes.

Once again you need to check out wallbuilders and you'll understand what Im saying. There was a time when this nation was a lot closer to God. The terrible things that were being practiced hangs on the ones that practiced them. But while there was slavery there were people working underground to save slaves,there were politicians working to free slaves,there were people in the country on the right side and against slavery. And those people eventually won. There was a time this country acknowledged God,now we cannot even do that because its not politically correct. Yes,there were better times in America.

i will check out the site you referred me to when I get a chance.

❤️

 

[Infusion]

I interact with alt right on Facebook everyday.
They're basically neo-nazis

Dude the white nationalists are neo nazis not the alt right. It gets old people saying that. Look it up. Like was mentioned theres a new breed of millennials misusing the word and thats the reason for this thread. They might be part of alt right but that makes up many groups, some of them are black and jewish groups. Some of the most famous alt right speakers to the millennials because of the misunderstanding are jewish guys. one is a gay jew zionist, the Nazis would hate him, and hes one of the top spokespersons for the alt right. The people you mix with are just Nazis and it has nothing to do with the rest of us. Nazis are Christians too but I cant call you a Nazi.

 

[Infusion]

You write like a slave trading Democrat. Are you sure you're not Alt-left?

Tommy I dont think you seem to understand what right and left means.

 

[Infusion]

You are an idiot. Slavery was very much legal in the United States, and the african slave trade was run by the muslims. Always had been. They used the Portuguese and Spanish merchants to ship them over.
Go to school and get an education.

Tommy I was just saying it did happen and was made legal in the United States. I was saying this was by British influence not colonial influence and it was unconstitutional. You seem to be having trouble keeping up with what I am saying. And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I was even talking about. Stop pecking at me like a bird and read a dictionary then come back so you can realize it means nothing more than traditional American core values which you might agree with. But its obvious you dont know anything about politics at all and you just throw insults instead of either explaining your side or learning something like all liberals are so renown for. Many times you have made political and legal claims and its obvious you have no clue what you are talking about and can barely even understand what simple words mean. I am not trying to be too harsh but I feel your fit will grow further. If you dont understand whats going on, wait til you do before you have an opinion or attack others. Understand what I am saying before you make your judgements and act childish about it. I asked this be a mature thread and you are the only one acting like a child. If you want to troll or make trouble do it in a thread that you understand.

 

[Infusion]

Originally the African slave trade came from the Chinese who were at the eastern part of the trade routes. Israel being the middle and Britain was the furthest west. (It is thought Tarshish in the Bible to be Britain as it is the only island which traded and had the raw materials to be within the two weeks of sailing from the land of Israel. So me had said it was Crete or Cyprus but they are too close and dont have the minerals, or Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica etc, but none of these have the minerals to produce the items listed).
When the British Empire (Along with others) took over countries in Africa they simply carried on the slave trade and other trades which had gone on for over 1000 years before them.
It was the conditions onboard the ships that had people concerned and why William Wilberforce an others slowly gained support in order to put an end to the trade.
To be honest, some of the African tribes themselves may well have been trading in people before even the Chinese commenced this trade.
What the slave trade had become was far removed from what it was in Biblical times, where a slave was simply a person who owed money and either himself or one of his children would work for the family or person who was owed until the debts were paid. A slave owner was to treat the slave as one of his own family while the slave was under his care. The trading of slaves started when a a slave owner (Who was owed the debt) didn't need help but needed the monetary value to be traded, so could sell the slave to another who did need work done, so the other person could have help in this form for the amount of time until the slaves debt was paid. I imagine this selling could quickly be taken advantage of where the middle man could ask an over inflated value and the slave needed to work for longer until his debts were paid.
In theory, this form of slavery in its original concept of paying off a debt is fair and also in theory, if the money system collapses, those in debt could be forced into this form of slavery to work until their debts be paid off if one is no longer able to use money. Look at it this way... If one is in debt, one is a slave t who one owes the debt to, as one is working to pay off the debt!
Now what slavery became where people were just taken was not actually slavery but was kidnapping. They called it slavery but it wasn't the same. Neither did those who kidnapped the people to sell on have regard for the well being of those they had kidnapped other then their worth in monetary value,and neither were the kidnapped ones able to pay off debts to become released from a slavery contract because they didn't owe to begin with.

I hope this clears up some misconceptions that may have crept in. I dont know much about USA history myself except that there was a war between two groups with different concepts and ideas, and other wars between others who had come in at various times to the areas of North and even South America.

Thats what it says to do in the bible. But you cant use logic or facts with liberals. You have to tell them the world is perfect and everybodys nice people and give them a cookie with rainbow icing.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Thats what it says to do in the bible. But you cant use logic or facts with liberals. You have to tell them the world is perfect and everybodys nice people and give them a cookie with rainbow icing.

but you can't use logic or facts with Conservatives. You have to tell them the world is evil and dangerous and that all people are trying to kill them

Do you see how foolish such blanket statements are?

 

[Infusion]

but you can't use logic or facts with Conservatives. You have to tell them the world is evil and dangerous and that all people are trying to kill them

Do you see how foolish such blanket statements are?

But they actually know what they are talking about, the right. Thats why they are trying to engage you with debates, dialogue, and facts. To try to help you understand that there are people trying to kill you and you are lucky that we are defending you. I am in the military field and the reason I got in is I was attacked by terrorists and had nothing to do with anything. So you cant tell me that I dont have enemies. Like I said that exact same enemy destroyed 2/3 of the white race at one time. You wont tell me not to fight for my own.

 

[Infusion]

I am not planning on coming home. I plan to stay til I die. And I am doing that to protect you whether you appreciate it or not. Because I have seen first hand the hell that they brought upon their lands and now aiming at you.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

But they actually know what they are talking about, the right. Thats why they are trying to engage you with debates, dialogue, and facts. To try to help you understand that there are people trying to kill you and you are lucky that we are defending you. I am in the military field and the reason I got in is I was attacked by terrorists and had nothing to do with anything. So you cant tell me that I dont have enemies. Like I said that exact same enemy destroyed 2/3 of the white race at one time. You wont tell me not to fight for my own.

So, because you have fought terrorists that makes the claim that all liberals think the world is a happy clappy place a true claim? Now THAT is illogical

 

[Infusion]

So, because you have fought terrorists that makes the claim that all liberals think the world is a happy clappy place a true claim? Now THAT is illogical

In my opinion yes. They are fully unaware of whats going on in the world and the dangers before them. Because it defines them. If they knew the truth they would no longer be liberal. If they simply even knew of the dangers from their enemy they would not be liberal anymore. Watch some red pill videos. It happens overnight for some who learn to activate parts of their brain. I was not always a patriot myself.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I havent read the entire thread (its pretty long and I dont have much time), but there was definitely one thing pointed out that really bothers me that I want to mention. And thats the whole issues with the Jews.

I often find that I enjoy and agree with some right wing youtubers, like Paul Joseph Watson. His videos can be good, but the comment section is almost always just awful. Just nonstop hatred of the Jews.

Not only is there the problem of making anyone who agrees with ideas from the right look racist and paranoid and silly, theres also just the fact that it makes no sense. I mean, you always see these people point out that Soros and his "cronies" are all Jewish or whatever, and the majority of CNN too. And they act as if this is reason to hate all Jewish people.

Im all about speaking out against evil ideologies, anyone that teaches to do wrong should be called out. But saying that everything that is bad happening in our country is the Jews fault cuz Soros is Jewish is just wrong.

Support and fight against ideas, not against entire groups of people. Its not "the Jews" that push bad ideas into our society and spread division, its the beliefs of a few in a position of influential power.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Also, the whole "keep Europe white" thing really makes anyone who wants to call out the problem with violence in Islam look bad, too. The problem with Islam isnt that its not a "white religion". And thats probly the biggest reason that we have the problem of having to prove that we are totally not racist anytime we talk about it.

 

[Tommy379]

Tommy I was just saying it did happen and was made legal in the United States. I was saying this was by British influence not colonial influence and it was unconstitutional. You seem to be having trouble keeping up with what I am saying. And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I was even talking about. Stop pecking at me like a bird and read a dictionary then come back so you can realize it means nothing more than traditional American core values which you might agree with. But its obvious you dont know anything about politics at all and you just throw insults instead of either explaining your side or learning something like all liberals are so renown for. Many times you have made political and legal claims and its obvious you have no clue what you are talking about and can barely even understand what simple words mean. I am not trying to be too harsh but I feel your fit will grow further. If you dont understand whats going on, wait til you do before you have an opinion or attack others. Understand what I am saying before you make your judgements and act childish about it. I asked this be a mature thread and you are the only one acting like a child. If you want to troll or make trouble do it in a thread that you understand.

Just a point of order here. American slavery was not influenced by England or the British. Slavery was not a thing in England, hadn't been for centuries before the English started overseas colonies. Slavery was introduced to the realm in Virginia, Englands first major colonial effort...... so slavery was more of an American influence to the English and later United Kingdom.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

I self identify as an attack helicopter.

 

[stonesoffire]

I self identify as an attack helicopter.

Whose flying it? And do you have bombs?

 

[Tommy379]

I self identify as an attack helicopter.

I like attack helicopters. What are we talking about, Apache, Cobra, MD-500 with rockets and guns?

 

[stonesoffire]

Would have to be Apache...Cobra has been captured by the enemy...

 

[Tommy379]

Would have to be Apache...Cobra has been captured by the enemy...

The Apache is a tough one, I saw a show about how it's made..... like a flying tank.