Is a Two State Solution the Answer for the US?

[p_rehbein]

Where to put this? Not sure.........so, here I suppose......

Given the wide breach our Nation faces Socially, Politically, Spiritually, is it time that we open up a discussion concerning a Two State Solution for the U.S.?

In all honesty, I do not believe anyone currently alive could possibly unite the peoples of our Nation.......and it surely is evident that things are on a serious down turn...............it reminds me of the guf that exists between Heaven and hell.

I would love to see our Federal, State, Local elected officials, Historians, Academics and Spiritual leaders open up such a discussion to see where it would lead............

 

[1still_waters]

Yes, there is a divide.

Group 1. People who work hard and want to keep their money, except for helping fund military, infrastructure, and maybe some limited social programs.

Group 2. People who may or may not work hard, and want to give their money, and take the money of others to redistribute it to others through massive government programs.

State 1 should be called -- You-can-keep-your-stuff-istan.
State 2 should be called -- We're-taking-your-money-istan.

 

[Sirk]

I think that's the whole purpose of States rights. People can choose to live in a state that best suits the way they choose to live. The problem is that the federal govt has highjacked it and forces one size fits all solutions down our throats.

 

[p_rehbein]

I think that's the whole purpose of States rights. People can choose to live in a state that best suits the way they choose to live. The problem is that the federal govt has highjacked it and forces one size fits all solutions down our throats.

And, in so doing, have so corrupted the Constitution that it is hardly applicable any more....well, in my opinion.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I'd rather see America ground into dust than to tear itself in two.

 

[p_rehbein]

Yes, there is a divide.

Group 1. People who work hard and want to keep their money, except for helping fund military, infrastructure, and maybe some limited social programs.

Group 2. People who may or may not work hard, and want to give their money, and take the money of others to redistribute it to others through massive government programs.

State 1 should be called -- You-can-keep-your-stuff-istan.
State 2 should be called -- We're-taking-your-money-istan.

humor with a grain of truth?

The one point I would open for debate is in Option #2........"and want to give THEIR money......" I don't see them lining up to "GIVE" their money...........just to "TAKE" others money..........just saying........

 

[1still_waters]

I think we got along for so long because the divide was between liberal and conservative.
There is enough overlap between the two that both can work together.

The divide now is between socialist/progressive and libertarian/conservative.

I think conservatism has morphed into libertarianism as a pushback against socialism/progressivism.

There is very little overlap in ideals between these polar opposites. Hence it's harder to compromise and get along.
The only overlap may be on limiting government intrusion into privacy, and stopping nation building through war.

The biggest fight is always over money, and one faction wants to keep their money, and the other faction wants to take it.
When two sides can't agree on the money, look out for a fight and a divide.

 

[Sirk]

And, in so doing, have so corrupted the Constitution that it is hardly applicable any more....well, in my opinion.

We need to put the fed outa the money business.

 

[MidniteWelder]

In all honesty, I do not believe anyone currently alive could possibly unite the peoples of our Nation.......and it surely is evident that things are on a serious down turn...............it reminds me of the guf that exists between Heaven and hell.

That's why we fight powers and principalities.

On a second note:
I thought all states are Sovereign, and we CHOOSE to work together as a Nation.
When that doesn't work...a state CHOOSES to secede from the Union.
If one state can secede from the union...so can 50.
Bada Boom...we have our country back.

 

[p_rehbein]

We need to put the fed outa the money business.

Not JUST the "money" business.........which they DO have some limited Constitutional right to be involved in, BUT more importantly........the Public Education System...........where they have no Constitutional right to meddle in.......and in Governing/Establishing National Socially Legal Standards...........

And SCOTUS as well.............they have so misused their Constitutionally established guidance as to no longer even be near the Original Intent.............rather, they are Legislating from the Bench according to the Majority Opinion based on Political ideology.........

 

[p_rehbein]

Hate to start such a discussion...........then exit............BUT it is time for me to head towards church...........will be back.

God bless

 

[1still_waters]

humor with a grain of truth?

The one point I would open for debate is in Option #2........"and want to give THEIR money......" I don't see them lining up to "GIVE" their money...........just to "TAKE" others money..........just saying........

This is true.

I think we need another field on our tax forms for the socialists/progressives who claim they want higher taxes.
If they want to pay more, then check the box that says..."I want to give more money".

Why legislate higher taxes on all, when half of the population claims they're more than willing to chip in?

I think Mike Huckabee said they tried something like this in Arkansas when he was governor. Very few sent in extra money.

 

[biscuit]

to see where it would lead............ 'possibly another "civil war."

 

[SonInMe]

Yes, there is a divide.

Group 1. People who work hard and want to keep their money, except for helping fund military, infrastructure, and maybe some limited social programs.

Group 2. People who may or may not work hard, and want to give their money, and take the money of others to redistribute it to others through massive government programs.

State 1 should be called -- You-can-keep-your-stuff-istan.
State 2 should be called -- We're-taking-your-money-istan.

Only in Marxistan.

I know this is foolish but I will try.

People who have money never sit on it. They spend it. Buying the goods the rest of us make. Paying taxes. No one sits on their money. Its too hard to get.

By the way look up the stats. Conservatives give more than liberals do. Your proposal here defines your beliefs much much more than what the real world is.

 

[SonInMe]

I think we got along for so long because the divide was between liberal and conservative.
There is enough overlap between the two that both can work together.

The divide now is between socialist/progressive and libertarian/conservative.

I think conservatism has morphed into libertarianism as a pushback against socialism/progressivism.

There is very little overlap in ideals between these polar opposites. Hence it's harder to compromise and get along.
The only overlap may be on limiting government intrusion into privacy, and stopping nation building through war.

The biggest fight is always over money, and one faction wants to keep their money, and the other faction wants to take it.
When two sides can't agree on the money, look out for a fight and a divide.

Who says compromise is necessary? The republicans have been compromising since Clinton....how has that worked out for them?

Our liberal associates are not out to compromise. Their goal is being realized, the destruction of what made america great.

That's our president's goal.

 

[Sirk]

Not JUST the "money" business.........which they DO have some limited Constitutional right to be involved in, BUT more importantly........the Public Education System...........where they have no Constitutional right to meddle in.......and in Governing/Establishing National Socially Legal Standards...........

And SCOTUS as well.............they have so misused their Constitutionally established guidance as to no longer even be near the Original Intent.............rather, they are Legislating from the Bench according to the Majority Opinion based on Political ideology.........

But they are also forcing their will on the states thru the power of the purse. They are overburdening us with taxes and have completely overstepped their constitutional authority in almost every area. Not to mention given the fed complete authority over our monetary and banking system.

 

[Atwood]

Two State Solution is Nonsense; there already are 2 states

What you mean is a 3 state solution.

There used to be a territory called the Palestinian Mandate under the British rule. 2 States were carved out of it: The largest piece went to Jordan, a Palestinian State. The smaller part went to the new nation of Israel. There are 2 states already.

Now, Israel got the smaller half. So what then? Should they divide the small half and make a 3rd state, now 2 Palestinian States? And what then, take Israel's share and cut it again, now having 4 states?

IMHO:

Whatever Israel gives up, Moslems would want half of the half. Then half of the half of the half. Then half of the half of the half of the half. And this would continue until Israel had nothing but some waves in the Mediterranean, which waves the Moslems would claim as their economic zone also.

This whole thing is nonsense.

In Ezekiel's prophecy of the future territory of Israel, there is nothing on the East side of Jordan. So let the Moslems be satisfied with that -- of course they won't, they demand the whole earth! Cut off your head if you oppose.

 

[SonInMe]

Taxation is a problem not because the government needs more money but that the government spends 1.3 dollars for every dollar it collects. Taxes are niot the problem, spending is.

Spending is a problem because we are becoming a nation of people who think they get free stuff. Its immoral and irresponsible.

I know no one likes this but charity needs to be rare or it becomes a lifestyle. Its human nature. The more charity we have the more people who will want it. More charity creates in several ways, more poverty.

No one gives to the government. If you do not pay taxes they force you to.

Its not ideology, its integrity. Integrity is learned and usually, because of our fallen nature, integrity comes when we survive tragedy.

The liberals know that so they provide safety nets, so people do not struggle and they do not learn integrity.

We must also recognise that the enemy, liberalism, has an easier sell. Integrity does not sell well and charity does ( even though in reality liberalism is absolutely nothing about helping people ).

Liberalism ''wins'' because it makes those who believe in it think they are charitable...and have to do nothing to be so.

This presidency has proved a few things...

the media is liberal

republicans are afraid of liberals.

I think its time conservatives stood up and called a spade a spade ( yes I used that term, its time we took back our language as well and not walk on eggshells worrying someone will call us a racist if we disgree with the socialist marxism ruining our nation )

Grow a pair. Get in there and start supporting the conservative ideals that made this nation great or as a party, the republicans will die.

 

[wisebeardman]

Problem Soninme with the repubs is the RINO. in all honesty both parties need to be tossed out. Just look at Ron Paul he was a far better choice then anything else the repubs put up yet was shafted by his own "party" and Paul was a huge huge huge better choice then comrade Stalin Obama.

How things went back in Nov 2008.. a movie quote came to mind "So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause."

 

[Nautilus]

Re: Two State Solution is Nonsense; there already are 2 states

What you mean is a 3 state solution.

There used to be a territory called the Palestinian Mandate under the British rule. 2 States were carved out of it: The largest piece went to Jordan, a Palestinian State. The smaller part went to the new nation of Israel. There are 2 states already.

Now, Israel got the smaller half. So what then? Should they divide the small half and make a 3rd state, now 2 Palestinian States? And what then, take Israel's share and cut it again, now having 4 states?

IMHO:

Whatever Israel gives up, Moslems would want half of the half. Then half of the half of the half. Then half of the half of the half of the half. And this would continue until Israel had nothing but some waves in the Mediterranean, which waves the Moslems would claim as their economic zone also.

This whole thing is nonsense.

In Ezekiel's prophecy of the future territory of Israel, there is nothing on the East side of Jordan. So let the Moslems be satisfied with that -- of course they won't, they demand the whole earth! Cut off your head if you oppose.

Did you even read the thread? Not a single person is talking about israel here but you