Is a Two State Solution the Answer for the US?

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p_rehbein

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Ya mean ALL 5 of em?
No matter the number, and they are just one example...........remember that bunch from Florida some time ago? And that guy in California who keeps predicting the exact day of the return of Jesus...........and others..........

Just saying.........there are those on all sides who are able to have a reasonable discussion concerning the divide that exists in our Nation...........
 

skipp

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THESE are the people you are expecting to have a rational, informed conversation with?

[video=youtube;R8OPZjMde3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OPZjMde3c[/video]
truly depressing. It drives me nuts how so many people nowadays are incredibly opinionated while at the same time being incredibly uninformed.
 
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Even if you divide this country into two nations with the best of intentions and all diplomacy (which in reality would never happen between Dems and Reps or "liberals" and "conservatives"), it would have only undermined all fabric of society. With how things be today, it won't remain two states very long it'll become a total free for all. I'd say its best to leave that can of worms closed if we can.

Society has degenerated but, there's much saving grace of Jesus abound too. I would almost even think despite all the grit this might actually be one of the best times in history to have lived and believe in Jesus. If God wills to destroy this nation though, by Right he is the only one that is allowed to. Let him therefore be totally victorious.
 

p_rehbein

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Even if you divide this country into two nations with the best of intentions and all diplomacy (which in reality would never happen between Dems and Reps or "liberals" and "conservatives"), it would have only undermined all fabric of society. With how things be today, it won't remain two states very long it'll become a total free for all. I'd say its best to leave that can of worms closed if we can.

Society has degenerated but, there's much saving grace of Jesus abound too. I would almost even think despite all the grit this might actually be one of the best times in history to have lived and believe in Jesus. If God wills to destroy this nation though, by Right he is the only one that is allowed to. Let him therefore be totally victorious.
I don't see how you can possibly come to such a conclusion..........(Re. paragraph one)

How can having a Nation that is TRULY UNDER GOD "undermining all fabric of society?"

I fully realize that this will NEVER happen, BUT that does not change the concept of having a DISCUSSION. And given the declining state of not only the U.S. but many, many Nations in the World, I suggest that it won't be long before many, many Nations will be searching for some way to survive.

Just South of us there are 5 or 6 countries in Central and South America that are in great upheaval, and this is surely obvious as their peoples are streaming across our borders by the thousands. They are fleeing the violence that rules their countries. Parents abandoning children, sending them on long and dangerous journeys hoping they make it safely to the U.S.

Looking at Afrika.......the Middle East.........Eastern Europe, Western Europe.........South East Asia......National stability is hard to find........surely our world is in a true state of upheaval and quite possibly at a cross road which may well determine the hastening of the return of Jesus Christ.

Anyway, this thread was to be an opportunity to simply discuss the idea...........and as all opinions should be heard, I thank you for your comments.......

Maybe you can Author a thread that provides a "better way" for us to see our Nation heal and become once again One Nation Under God...........would like to read that.
 
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As much as I would like to see biblical change in this country the truth is that this nation is about out of time and is fixing to be judged and decimated....the embracement of sexual perversion, the division of the nation, the corruptness of the politicians, the levels of violence, the removal of God from everything while forcing the acceptance of all alternative lifestyles and or religions all point to the end of the nation....God will judge this nation and judgment begins with the house of God and all of the churches that are selling out to religious unification at the expense of the truth!
 

RickyZ

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truly depressing. It drives me nuts how so many people nowadays are incredibly opinionated while at the same time being incredibly uninformed.
How true. And we see them every day right here! ;)
 
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jennymae

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I am skeptical to a two state solution. Academically, we can debate the idea peacefully, but surely, further down the line there are persons ready to pursue the idea as they see fit. If we look to Europe, the situation there is growing dangerous, and we all know what happened there in the 90s.

Violence or not, there will be a gap between the two states, a gap nobody can predict the extention of. I'm afraid the border wont be a friendly one. The war between states was 150 years ago, the wounds and grieve from back then will never fade away and I pray that the country will never have to face a situation like that again.

Keep in mind five words from the Pledge of Allegiance "...one Nation under God, indivisible".
 
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As much as I would like to see biblical change in this country the truth is that this nation is about out of time and is fixing to be judged and decimated....the embracement of sexual perversion, the division of the nation, the corruptness of the politicians, the levels of violence, the removal of God from everything while forcing the acceptance of all alternative lifestyles and or religions all point to the end of the nation....God will judge this nation and judgment begins with the house of God and all of the churches that are selling out to religious unification at the expense of the truth!
I agree and it is my personal opinion that we are too far gone to escape some really hard times ahead.....then again, it's all according to His with a Capital H's plan.
 

p_rehbein

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I am skeptical to a two state solution. Academically, we can debate the idea peacefully, but surely, further down the line there are persons ready to pursue the idea as they see fit. If we look to Europe, the situation there is growing dangerous, and we all know what happened there in the 90s.

Violence or not, there will be a gap between the two states, a gap nobody can predict the extention of. I'm afraid the border wont be a friendly one. The war between states was 150 years ago, the wounds and grieve from back then will never fade away and I pray that the country will never have to face a situation like that again.

Keep in mind five words from the Pledge of Allegiance "...one Nation under God, indivisible".
I always keep in mind those five words.........however, the same can not be said for those in power can it? They already are working to remove two of those words, and some even forbid folks to recite those five words because of two of them......

You know God has a Two State Solution don't you?

The State of eternal life and the State of eternal damnation.......... :)

(just saying)
 
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I agree and it is my personal opinion that we are too far gone to escape some really hard times ahead.....then again, it's all according to His with a Capital H's plan.

I agree that we are too far gone....also like the (disclaimer) HAHAHHA serious...I really like it :)
 
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pastac

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What really needs to happen is set clear term limits and get this old carnal thinking out of Washington and politics in general. If you spend a lifetime lying and cheating and the voice of the people is never really heard how is that ever going to be true democracy. Lies and cheating is what this country was founded upon! How then can we tell other nations how to be one if we can't even get it right after 200 plus years. This whole concept of liberalism as alluded to and marxisim as alluded to are just more of the smoke being blown into the fan.

We have seen first hand that our way of thinking in our United States is flawed at best but better than others by our own admission. Yet we don't know that because we live here in America. There is blight here, there are starving people here, there are homeless here, there are social ills at epic proportions here and they haven't ben fixed in all this time. We have strayed away from God in the basic foundational principles that the founders of this nation held to somewhat.

A two state solution is not the answer it would create more of the same I'm assured. Yet a remedy must be found. My heart tells me it can be. My head tells me I hope so. My mind tells me no way, God says all things are possible. Maybe we get God back in his rightful place as the head of our Nation we can see some change until then its more of the same. In my humble opinion
 

Apostol2013

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The situation of this country is in very evident turmoil and kf this were sodom and gomorrah fire and brimstone would be the verdict or an invasion and spoil of this country but instead of our own thoughts it is God that judges and this is what He told me , for too long have they defied me for too long have they rebbelled against me and their sins have reached me to the heavens for their sins are an abomination unto me and i am weary of them . For the defy me at every precept constantly open defyance therefore I The LORD have set judgement upon them and I say the united States is Doomed and shall be destroyed.
 

p_rehbein

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Ok, since you guys can't see past the end of your ideologies.......... :)

Then I'm voting that Texas SPLIT and return to being the Republic of Tejas.............and I'll leave all you guys here to deal with the complete mess this Nation is in Politically and Socially.............

I'll be in the Republic of Tejas...................and we'll ban all of y'all from crossing our borders.............'course FIRST we gotta do something about them that are flooding across the southern border first............sigh.......
 
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What really needs to happen is set clear term limits and get this old carnal thinking out of Washington and politics in general. If you spend a lifetime lying and cheating and the voice of the people is never really heard how is that ever going to be true democracy. Lies and cheating is what this country was founded upon! How then can we tell other nations how to be one if we can't even get it right after 200 plus years. This whole concept of liberalism as alluded to and marxisim as alluded to are just more of the smoke being blown into the fan.

We have seen first hand that our way of thinking in our United States is flawed at best but better than others by our own admission. Yet we don't know that because we live here in America. There is blight here, there are starving people here, there are homeless here, there are social ills at epic proportions here and they haven't ben fixed in all this time. We have strayed away from God in the basic foundational principles that the founders of this nation held to somewhat.

A two state solution is not the answer it would create more of the same I'm assured. Yet a remedy must be found. My heart tells me it can be. My head tells me I hope so. My mind tells me no way, God says all things are possible. Maybe we get God back in his rightful place as the head of our Nation we can see some change until then its more of the same. In my humble opinion
That's very sad to hear but rather not surprising to perceive witnessing according to the Word of GOD. For not America alone but many Christian nations and their fruits show that they have turned away from the New Covenant, GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST made with them and all of us. It is the very written established living foundation that one who believe and have faith and work out on it, so that others who witness will know, from whom and where it is all built upon. Sadly when Christian nations get itself deceived, to be involved in commerce and materialism way of life and building, the Christian 'the way' spiritual sound doctrine foundation be compromised and eventually starts to crumble. And majority living to the necessities and pleasures of this world which this world can provide, tend to even not listen to the minority who oppose them even in practice and have nothing to do with all them the influences from the beginning.

So clearly we can see being part of this world in ignorance, that when everything was going fine in the opposite way where the grass was green and growing, glowing and prospering, we were happy together and enjoyed all of them and lived at peace with all of them in togetherness, in the name of love (our 'lukewarm' faith of love). But now when there is a problem with that way of life crumbling, when satan sits on it's throne, we now in our ignorance and selfish feelings and desires, love to find faults and pin point at each other, when the damages has already been done in our 'self' righteous. We ourselves as Christian have been either in a big or a small way, being in our corruption, have taken part in these easy prospering ways.

For we have compromised our faith from 'the way', turning away from the established New Covenant foundation and far from 'abiding'. We take Scripture out of context in order to justify our righteousness to other witnesses.

But clearly sound doctrine Scripture knowledge in whole, forbids and rejects such justification and consider them as deceit, poor and in 'lukewarm'. Then the same system is also introduced and was established to rule the church organization. Everything started changing and people with money were beginning to rule and church officials were made puppets, the same very system regulated, in order for future sustainability. From then on the man made building structures and everything in them rocketed on to become greater and richer and majestic and became the joy and pride of it's new people of believers. Sadly soon the GOD made building and plantation believer structures became lesser and poorer and murdered.

America is not the Christian nation anymore, for others to witness JESUS's Grace and Truth, but is the world, of the world and for the world and it has influenced the other parts this world, even using television. Beginning was from Scripture doctrine modesty in obedience, living together in GOD orderliness and then further down the line, majority compromised step by step towards nakedness in disobedience living together in no GOD disorderliness until today.

The LORD JESUS CHRIST have not made me ignorant to know the sound doctrine of the Holy Bible in order to distinguish between the spirit of error and the spirit of truth. If i was ignorant, i would be in a denomination made by men with all it's traditions and doctrines practices, growing well together and continue to be on the inside a show off and a snake, only gliding along towards the way of second death in hell.

i tried to blend in with the majority in confussion, but the Double Edged Sword of GOD's Word, cut in to the depth of my heart, highlighting, and me discovering the very hypocrisy in me and in practice, tagging along being as one with each other in faith. In there that was the name of the game and those who play well and become talented and popular, remain longer and they may even claim that they have done them all in the name of love.

i doubt and wonder at times whether this is all Man's love or GOD's Love? And also further see clearly that deception is closely linked, using the truth taken out of context, put together with a twist, even in their practices, avoiding all that has been written as sound doctrine Holy Bible and has been justified for believers. And we and also others who barely make it in, are able to witness together a twisted picture of the Kingdom, that is to say one thing and do another thing. Example, where there is in Scripture doctrine that forbids fornication and adultery, there is a vast practice in them and even justification in the name of love and it is okay for GOD understands. Please note the very same utterance of satan in the garden of Eden to deceive Eve. This very same is also justified by Christian claiming because of GOD's 'unmerited favor', which is all able to forgive our sins and even quote taken out of context, from the letter of Apostle John, about the Scripture 'sin washing bar soap' that washes all sins away, if only we confess to Him. Even the muslims also believe and confess them five times a day to their God.

Even though i am a Christian, i can notice the muslim in me. Are we the same and can we be equally yoked?
Never! and we can judge ourselves, either one is still fleshly and in carnality or another spiritual and in Spirituality.

Be encouraged and make changes in ourselves first and seek help in all our weakness to our LORD JESUS CHRIST, our Great High Priest in Heaven who sympathizes on us, called Christian and help us in all our weaknesses.

May the Good GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST help and straighten up all believers, for His Kingdom sake, made by His SON and for His SON, whom we are called to honor.
 
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StoneThrower

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That's why we fight powers and principalities.

On a second note:
I thought all states are Sovereign, and we CHOOSE to work together as a Nation.
When that doesn't work...a state CHOOSES to secede from the Union.
If one state can secede from the union...so can 50.
Bada Boom...we have our country back.
Texas actually wrote a letter requesting to, it was one of like 13 states and they recieved a dismisive reply from the White House and that was the end of it. I think the problem was they ask in instead of told!
 
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StoneThrower

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90% of the world's wealth is controlled by less than 1% of the world's population. Is that good or bad? I'll leave that to you.

Over 50% of the population of the United States depends on the United States Government for some part of their income. What does that tell you?

Now for the meat of our problem.

Today less than 10% of the population of the United States will attend worship services, yet more than 80% claim to be Christian.

Of those attending a worship service, less than half do so as a family unit.

Of those attending a worship service, fewer than 10% will remember what they talked about by Friday. More than 50% forgot what leader's topic was after lunch.

The most important fact is that over 50% will never speak to a lost person about Christ, and less than 10% will ever lead a single person to Christ.

We may have a corrupt government, but what do we expect when have a lost electorate.

A two state solution. No! What we need is a one God solution.

Would you like to see real change? There is a four step solution found in 2 Chronicles 7:14, "if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land."
Maybe we could all get on a big boat and sail to another location where we could start a Christian nation?
No, no, that would never work. ;-) Someone would follow us and mess it up.
 
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StoneThrower

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Quite frank I have NEVER liked the fact some get by scott free on taxes just cause they make under a certain amount.. if we are to have any taxes, then EVERYONE should have to pay. And it should be in the form of the Fed sales tax. Any "new" goods are taxed at 20% don't want taxed then don't buy new stuff. I would even put the FST on fast food, restaurants, ect.

I don’t want to pay taxes on a house every year I already paid taxes on when I bought it. Much less now you have to pay them when you sell it. I know we need to pay for infrastructure cost. Maybe if the government only defended our borders and maintained the infrastructure like their original mandate and got out of everything else it inserted its self into, there would be plenty to go around just a thought.
 
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StoneThrower

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the Original Intent of the Founding Fathers who wrote The Constitution is that States would be Sovereign ........... however, given the Constitutional Power Grab by the Federal Government for the last 60 years...........this is really no longer the case in my opinion...........and I think recent events have proved that out.............
The Helmet law is a good example of heavy handedness, those states that have a helmet law get a 20 cents per gallon discount on federal tax on gas. Those that dont pay through the nose.
 
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StoneThrower

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prob is biscut is right in a way... Lets say our sane "red" states got tired of the "blue" trying to dictate our way of life here and we said no more we are done we are no longer part of the USA.. the "blue" would use the gun to push us back together.. thus we would fight civil war.
Would they have any left? I imagine they would have all been banned there already Of course they could probably borrow so automatic weapons from the national weather service, or from Obahmas SS, homeland security.